JUNE 2008- tantrums, shrieking and lashings of Gin (and that's just the mums!)

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Thread number 123 or something like that

sybil wow, seven steps is really impressive. Fraser's just started taking one or two steps then falling into our arms. His balance is still not there.

SA glad to hear C is sleeping a wee bit better. Fraser slept much better with calprofen last night. I err on the side of too little medication and the poor wee man probably suffered unnecessarily the night before.

sponge I got held in the hospital for 48 hours after having Fraser because I was group B strep positive and I was dying to get out and get home! There's no rest in the hospital with a newborn anyways! The day after Fraser was born was only the second day ever that I didn't see Duncan (the first day I was in Helsinki for a conference) and it felt very strange. Even now, when he's almost three, I've only had four nights away from D in his entire life...

poppy sorry to hear your hormones are all over the place. I still haven't had a period but since I'm not trying to concieve, (and I'm still BFing a few times a day) it's not a worry though. Last time I felt a hormonal change when D reached one, and we concieved when he was 15 months. I hope it's just still early days for you!

Easter isn't a holiday up here so DH is at work today .

Yer, know what you mean! She was in hospital when the babies were put in a nursery for the first two weeks while mum slept - my only night spent in hospital with Alex I didn't sleep one wink, just held my tiny little boy in my arms while I tried to stop him crying, and even when he slept I lay there watching him to make sure he kept breathing . Not a relaxing experience!

AH, that's moy other concern - I really don't want to be away from Alex. I haven't been away from him for more than about five hours since he was born so I'm not sure I'd want four or five days . I'd miss him like made and he'll still be so young it wouldn't be fair.

poppy, sorry to hear hormones are playing up , excuse the intrusion (and sorry for forgetting ) but did you need fertility treatment to conceive before? Is it worth having a check up to see what's going on?

Sorry to hear about family issues too - so hard isn't it cos you have no choice sometimes but to put up with them cos their family .

Ali, Alex has only just started taking proper naps so no sign of him dropping him yet!

Can I ask a quick question on MS? In my last pg my nausea went completely at 12 weeks but this time it seems to be getting worse rather than better. Did anyone else find this? I feel sick pretty much all day now and feel actually on the verge of being sick much of the time. Any experience?

excuse the grammar, obviously I meant they are family!

AH, can't believe you don't get Easter as holiday!

My mother still complains that when I was born I was healthy and loud and was waking the other babies up so the nurses made her keep me in her room! My sympathy is limited...

sponge my midwife said that nausea normally lasted until 14 weeks in her experience so unfortunately you may have two more weeks to go. I hope it's just a sign of a very healthy pregnancy but sending sympathy anyways!

no I didn't sponge but I was on point of going in to be investigated before I conceived ds.. apologies for hormones (period arrived this morning)

And thanks ah that makes sense - even though I'm not bf I am still producing some milk as got blocked duct still.. and mw did tell me that may make things take longer. I've made a mental note to leave it for a few more months before I go and seek help (I am trying to use teh fertility thing but doesn't help when I forget to bring it away).

ali yes morning naps definitely on the way out here too.

Edie being completely off food - basically messes about and refuses it if fed to her (but qutie likes a bit of finger food) - doesn't seem to hungry and drinking milk but we seem to have phasese of a few days like this. Anyone else have this issue?

poppy - jamie is often off his food. He just isn't really bothered still. We find that if he refuses his meal and we leave hime completely for about an hour he will then take a little yoghurt or something, but will refuse if you just keep pushing him at the time. We are just trying to go with his flow and assume that he will eat when hungry, and there is nothing we can do if he doesn't eat. He seems to have a few days on and a few days off.

Sponge - I found that my morning sickness started later and lasted longer the second time around. I will also sick at different times (teatime bizarrely). Then I had a girl. When pg with ds2, my morning sickness followed exactly the same pattern as with ds, it started early and was at mornings and evenings again. Just something to think about...

Jamie is doing really well with his walking now. 12 steps is our longest walk so far. He does have great balance though and can squat and then stand up again without putting his hands down. It is definitely the balance that is important.

sybil wow at walking - C still can't be bothered with crawling! she's very keen on trying to talk though, and yesterday picked up her book and 'read' it out to me!

sponge hope the sickness clears up soon, I was lucky enough not to have any, so can't offer any advice!

poppy we have that feeding thing on occasion as well, seems to be when she's coming down with a virus or something.

ali it's afternoon naps that seem to be going here...

systems wow, great news regarding sleep. hope it continues.

Hello to everyone else...

Systems, great news on the sleep! Well done.

I came down with a bad throat/stuffy nose this weekend which explains why I was feeling so rubbish last week. Feel much better now, had a lovely weekend.

Poppy, do you mean you think you won't be able to have any more babies? Or was it just the hormones getting you down?

Sponge, lol at the MIL! I would say YAB slighty U but when it comes to in-laws all bets are off I say. They can do what seems to be the most innocuous (even nice) things in the eyes of outsider but arghh they wind you up don't they! I read a joke thread on MN recently about 'how to be the perfect MIL' and one post said 'don't assume you are going to see the new baby the day it is born, or the day after, or the day after that. You might see the new baby after a week and only after the REAL grandparents have gone home' . It must be hard to be an MIL (and remember that will be us one day!!!) I do think it strange that she assumes she will look after Alex when you have the new baby though. Unlikely you will be in for 4/5 days - they chuck you out after 24 hours don't they if everything is OK?

Sybil, how exciting about the walking E is good with her walker but T prefers to crawl.

Ali, yeah my two only have their lunch nap now. Theo will still go down for a morning nap if we are at home and I put him in his cot but if we are out and about he can easy last till after lunch for a sleep. E really complains if you try to put her down for a morning sleep (and sometimes only has an hour at lunch now! ) It is much easier to get out and about now they only have one sleep a day.

Poppy, they were off their food last week, I think they were a bit off-colour. They go through stages like that. They are hoovering up everything at the moment though! Perhaps E has got a sore throat or something like that?

thanks for your experiences of dropping naps. As you know, P has never been much of a sleeper. Over the weekend he did 2 days when he just had 45 mins at 2pm... And that was it between 6am and 8pm . Looking at the positives though he is generally (touch wood) sleeping at night for 10 hours, on some night waking once, on other nights not. Sooooo much better than where we were a little while back. All bets are off now as he has developed a hacking cough and is teething.

Sponge - I felt queasy for the the first trimester but was only actually sick in the fourth month (December) generally on a Thursday night . Once I got to Christmas though I felt fine. I worked with one girl who had morning sickness for the whole PG poor thing. Sorry - you probably didn't want to hear that

Hello
Thought I would quickly pop in and thank you all for your kind messages.
I came home last night to see my other kids, I havent been home since Thurs morning but feel very quilty for leaving Oli, even though she is in the best place.

Thursday was a nightmare, she woke with a mild twitch which I thought was odd, so phoned consultant, to tweek meds, ended in hosp to do so and they took there time doing anything that she became seriously charged and was constantly fitting with large seizures. After an EEG she was rushed to HDU and im terrified to right this but we nearly lost poor little oli pops. The rescue meds and the maint med cause cause resp failure and organ failure

Although she is out of hdu she is in a special ward, which its the heart breaker, she is there with 3 wee boys who are so pooly they live in the hospital. One little boy will be 5 next month and his mother abandoned him, he has severe CP with a tracky to breath, and this little boy smiles all day long.

Anyway to add to the dramas there is a very bad vomit virus, which they put Olis ward into Isolation till they removed the source! She has been very sick and we are worried she has this and not reflux. She is still having at least 3 Fits aday, but this is likely until they can get the meds right, as long as they are mild and dont last 5mins they wont interfere.

Well must go, get ready for the off again.
Thank you though for the prayers and helping me keep my baby safe xxxx

Oh Josey - that's just heartbreaking to read. Hoping that they manage to sort the meds out asap.

josey I'm sending love & prayers to all of you! I hope O's coping okay and not too upset by being in the hospital. I'm glad you've been able to stay with her too.

josey, thinking of you and poor little Oli - what alot she has been through in the last few days. Fingers crossed they stabilise her soon and sort out her meds so she can come home again.

neenz, re: MIL, the thing that pissed me off was the total assumption that she would look after Alex, she would come into hospital and visit us first, etc. My parents didn't get to do any of that last time - they didn't come and see me in hospital (my mum left after Alex was born and didn't get to see him at all because she was v traumatised and exhausted ) and didn't see Alex until Day 4.

My ILs on the other hand, were in hospital by 1pm (Alex was born at 4am), spent two hours with him, came back to see him in the evening, and then spent the whole of the next day with him - bearing in mind what a total bitch my MIL has been to me for the last 16 years I think I was bloody accommodating to let them do all that!

So I think I'm totally justified in saying it's my parents turn this time!

Oooh, sorry, that sounded really ranty!

ILs have just left so I'm winding down and letting off steam .

Hello to everyone else btw - and thanks for all the comments about the MS, will just have to tough it out!

sponge my rule with my ILs is to make DH actually talk to them and explain beforehand what we (not just me) want. Otherwise they used to do things like come to visit for weeks on end and complain the whole time and then wonder why I was so angry and blame me - when really it bugs DH just as much. DH has just phoned MIL and explained that she can only come for two weeks next December, and not in a row (they'll go away somewhere hot in between). We don't have that much space so I found a week with my parents enough. Anyways, DH said she's not upset or offended by this so hopefully it works out okay and I don't get too annoyed when they're here.

And any hints about feeding calpol at night? DS1 always took it well but Fraser is refusing. We had calpol and then calprofen all over the floor (and us!) last night at 2am and judging by the fact he was up two hours later, I'm guessing none really got in his mouth. Do syringes work? How do you hold your LOs when you give it to them? Upright? Lying down? Teething sucks.

Josey, you and Oli and your family are in my prayers. Don't feel bad for leaving her, you are doing the best for all your babies. It was heartbreaking to read that you nearly lost her [sad[. She is a fighter.

Sponge, no it wasn't ranty! I completely understand about ILs!! But to an outsider looking in, you think 'well of course they wanted to see Alex' but you know different cos it always different from the inside. I find my own mum is the only person who understands my IL rants, mums are great.

I had to give E two doses of Nurofen and one of Calpol last night! I just hold them down and force the syringe in if necessary Abdn. hey were really difficult with it a few weeks ago but now they seem to like the taste! E was very whingy and kept waking every 3 hours which was why I thought it must be pain and the Nurofen/Calpol is wearing off after 3hrs so give some more. It was 10.30, 1.30 and 4.30 and she is usually such a good sleeper and went back to sleep within 20mins after the meds. Maybe teeth, maybe ears/throat. I am taking her to the doc now - best go or I'll be late!

at your ils (must have missed that in hormone haze at time) sponge - can totally see why you feel the way you do.

neenz It was just hormones talking but it is taking me back (adn not in a good way) to a couple of years ago when was abotu to get investigated prior to falling pregnant again (and this is before all the things went wrong)..

and thanks for words re faddy eatingsybil and neenz ( I thought it was just a fad - esp as she is super dribbly and chewy so may be more teeth coming).

First day back at work tomorrow - got real first day at school nerves so going to enjoy last evening at home..

and joseyI'm glad oli is out hdu and hope meds get sorted soon..oli (and all of you) are in my thoughts.

Good luck tomorrow Poppy. Will be thinking of you.

AH - re calpol, I have used a syringe when the spoon was tricky. The nurse told me to aim into the inside of the cheek so it doesn't shoot down the back of the throat. I still find it a bit of a wrestling match though. Recently the spoon has been quite straightforward as long as he isn't beside himself beforehand.

Good luck tomorrow Poppy! Know what you mean about PG investigations, I didn't need any cos the Clomid did the trick but there were still problems so I understand why you are anxious. Maybe you haven't given it enough time yet though?

Doc says E has a virus, she has red throat and ears so he said just keep giving her the calpol and nurofen. I asked the pharmacist about the dosage cos obviously what I was giving her last night wasn't enough cos it was only lasting three hours before she woke up screaming again. She is one in 3 weeks and at one they can have 5-10ml of Calpol so I asked what dosage I could give her and the chemist said 7.5ml would be fine, so I have tried her with that at tea time and she was on fine form afterwards. Hoping for a better night's sleep tonight though I expect to be up every 4/5 hours still. Could be worse!

DH is out watching Liverpool tonight in the pub so I am going to catch up on Lost and 90210 .

Had a panic this morning cos I was talking to my sis in law (the one I was talking about on here last week) about her baby's vomiting (he has pretty bad reflux and is sick all the time) and she said her friend Emma 'had seen on Mumsnet that tomatoes and peppers can aggravate reflux'. I nearly died thinking omg her mate goes on MN and it's not like I have a subtle nickname! So I have asked MNHQ to delete last week's posts so they don't come back to bit me on the arse .

Hello

1st things 1st: Josey Massive hugs and xxxxxx

Sponge: I had MS til bout 5 months!! and with me it was actually evening sickness!! Glad cotton wool still wrapped on tightly!!

Thanks for Hummer replies still no hummer in sight

Busy here with move and wedding plans!

Cant remem ber who said what so general posts!!

Capol- never used spoon always syringe and cant imagine using spoon either!!! we just lay her in arms and pop syringe in the quicker you do it the better i find

Sleeps - If we are out fleur misses am nap completly and then sleeps 1hr at 2.30pm no probs but if we are at home shell nap for 1hr at 9.30am

Fussy feeding Fleur is MEGA fussy at mo and wont spoon feed cept for fruit,yog and cereal so its all finger food We have had to bring back bottle at 10pm though cause she wakes at 3am otherwise not going back til she has had bottle

Well off to eat gehaktballetjes!! Dp has made Oh and on Nederland vibe Deb - any news re the sale

Paro waves at all and says I find facebook quicker to see how you all are and am loving the photos etc

thanks all re tomorrow -ali I find the syringe is ok if she can play dr edie with it afterwards (this tends to involve poking me in the eye with syringe ).

neenz you're dead right its early - I think I am just getting jittery as I forgot that before you're even pg you get jittery/disappointed. Enjoy your evening in front of tv..

sybil - wow - our first walker - how exciting!

Rolf - blimey 8 teeth eh? Luke only has 2 but they are beautiful.

Josey - I do hope little Oli is getting better. It must be such a terrible time for you and i'll be thinking about you both until I hear Oli's home and safe.

Systems - well done you - hope LO has kept the new sleeping regime up!

Poppy - hormones and family mares - what a combination. I hope everything calms down for you.

Neenz - hope little E feels better soon too!

Aberdeen - I put Calpol into some milk which makes itmore palitable.

Me - well After practically passing out last night in a heap of exhaustion I am signed off sick for two weeks. I got very tearful at the doctors and I didn't even have to ask she volunteered to sign me off and wants to see me again before it runs out to see if I need more time. Work have been supportive. I have the sleep guru coming tomorrow. I am praying that she can work some miracle. I read that moxie article and thought it made a lot of sense. Luke started off this really bad sleeping just before he started to crawl. He stayed at his grandparents on Saturday and slept through without a peep only to come home the following night and scream for an hour. I am starting to think it's me as he is surgically attached most of the time. Maybe at his grandparents he knew I wasn't there so didn't cry. Also when we had the night nanny and he slept in the living room he didn't cry either.Babies are unfathomable. Weirdly talked to the doc about trying for another - am I mad?

poppy good luck tomorrow! hugs

ali and neenz thanks! We tried the syringe at bedtime and it worked okay, but I'll aim at his cheek when we have to do it at night. He'll take a spoon in the daytime, it's just at night when he's only half awake (but fully screaming).

neenz hope E is feeling better soon!

The boys are in bed and DH and I have a M&S sticky toffee pud in the oven. I am looking forward to relaxing (but still want to be asleep by nine!)

I visited Oli, Josey, and her DH at the hospital today - it was great to see them and give Josey a hug, I didn't want to stress Oli out by having yet another stranger hold her. On top of the seizures, I imagine being in hospital must be very stressful at this age since it's impossible to explain to Oli what's happening. Poor Oli isn't sleeping well either (as expected in a ward room with noises and lights and it's not like all the other babies are sleeping well in ideal conditions). All my prayers are with Oli at the moment! She'll be so happy to be home so I'm really hoping that she'll improve and be home soon.

Amber x-posted. F wont take a bottle still though so I'm stuck with the syringe... fingers crossed! I'm very glad to here you're signed off though. Are you keeping Like in nursery so that you can get some rest?

(The second one is easier emotionally in my opinion so I don't think you're mad. Physically though two babies in less than two years has been hard on my body.)

Fraser took 6 steps by himself today when I was just watching out of the corner of my eye (he wont do it if he thinks I want him to) so there's definitely some developmental stuff going on. I hope it's just a phase - he cried himself to sleep tonight but it only took ten minutes.