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November 08 - Say it LOUD.......We're shades of GINGER and PROUD :0)

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LackaDAISYcal · 11/02/2009 21:06

This do??????

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cricri · 03/03/2009 08:30

Chocolategal and vbab hope your hospital appts go well. Thinking of you.
Welcome back Autumnlady Sorry again to hear about your divorce but you know my thoughts on the subject!
Twinkling Babies in France are often given amber necklaces to wear from birth to help with teething. My god-daughter has one and has had very few teething problems. We were hoping somebody would buy one for E but nobody did and I must admit we forgot... Should get one now really.
Weaning - I'm going to hold off a bit longer but E is getting very interested in food. She sits in her high chair now (bought one suitable from 4 months) and stares intently as we're eating - a bit off-putting!
Oh and I'm also and [shocked] at Tegan's hv!
Daisy Sorry you had another flare-up Totally agree with what has been said about bf, you've done a wonderful job.
Must go, E has just woken up after feeding 3x during the night

LadyBuzz · 03/03/2009 08:50

Ceebee loving Sam Vougeing

Daisy Jay is a shouty baby too, he loves a chat and gets louder if he feels he is being ignored!

Vbab hope you get some answers today

Re weaning, DS1 was on 3 meals a day at 4 months but alot of that was down to pressure from MIL and the fact he was giant and would happily down 12oz of formula in one sitting

Jay has had baby rice a couple of times in the last week but seems to spit it out, don't know if he doesn't like it as DS1 never did or he just isn't ready. Not going to force the issue despite what MIL thinks

Phee I haven't had Jay weighed either since the HV came here at 8 weeks, Poor thing DS1 was weighed every 2 weeks! I know he is fine he is def growing, might take him next week if I can work out the stupid clinic times!

I'm with you ladies on the Cheesecake - My fave!

Hello to everyone else

Ceebee74 · 03/03/2009 09:06

Morning everyone

I am exactly the same re weighing Sam - I seem to only manage to take him once a month (like LB DS1 was taken practically every week ). Sam has just moved into 3-6 month clothes so he is growing - although I am going shopping today for a bulk buy of clothes for him. We got DS1's out of the loft (they have also been used by my bro for my nephew) and we seem to have lost quite a few and the ones that we do have look quite grotty - so any excuse for a shopping trip

Good luck to Chocolategal and Vbab today

Have added some new photos on my profile (there are a couple of ones just for Chocolategal ;-))

Right must go and have a shower and then go shopping - treating myself to lunch out aswell

tegan · 03/03/2009 09:21

Thanks all. O is 13.4 wks and has his second lot of injections today. he has been in 3-6 month clothes for 3 weeks now and even some of his trousers are getting tight around his tummy. I think i will stick to bf for as long as possible but the cluster feeding is getting me down as he has started to feed longer and has gone from going to bed at 9pm to going at 11pm and wakes at about 7am with no night feed. so i guess i shouldn't complain.

Pinkglow · 03/03/2009 09:51

I brought some baby rice the other day just to have in store but I dont think hes nearly ready yet. He is drinking alot more but he seems quite content on milk for the time being. Ill be going down the pureeing route.

LackaDAISYcal · 03/03/2009 09:55

LB, the thinking with BLW is that is the baby still has the tongue thrust reflex (where they spit it right back at you) then they aren't ready. I remember scooping stuff from round DS's mouth and shovelling it back in as he was weaned at 14 weeks as advised by my HV as he was too heavy . Tried with DD at 19 weeks (again pressured by HV!), but she was still spitting out, so stopped and then she started helping herself to stuff at about 23 weeks and we were off with a combination of spoon feeding (soups, breakfast, yogurt etc) and finger feeding (we used to just chuck her bits of what we were eating). She used to gag a bit if she was eating too fast, and got food stuck a couple of times, but managed to clear it herself before I got to her.

There is a brilliant passage in the Gill Rapley book about how babies might view food and being spoon fed. I'll copy it later and post it up. It's definately food for thought (pun intended )

Not sure of arguments for and against it, as each to their own, however it's worth bearing in mind that spoon feeding babies is a relatively recent thing in evolutionary terms and early weaning is a mid-late 20th century phenomenon which came in after the mass use of formula milk!

It's been four weeks since DS's last lot of jabs, but we haven't had a letter about this lot . not sure whether to take him today and get them done, or leave it till next week. Is it important that they stick to the four weekly schedule? I can do without going out today unless I have to as I'm still in a lot of pain

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juanitad · 03/03/2009 10:15

Daisy, I think baby clinic got all messed up because of half term - I think everything has fallen a week behind. I should have taken P for 2nd lot of jabs in half term but clinic was closed, so went the week after, which meant there was a 5 week gap between the 1st and 2nd injections, but the nurse didn't think anything was amiss, so I'm sure it'll be fine to leave it till next week. By the way, have you seen the signs on the path near the school - someone has left bits of dog poo on bits of paper saying "is this your mess? please clean it up!!" Good for them, or was it you?!! We'll get the streets clean yet!

Hope everyone else is well. P is 14 weeks now and fed 3 times last night so I'm wondering if we're hitting the growth spurt you've all mentioned!

LackaDAISYcal · 03/03/2009 10:20

pmsl at the messages with the dog poo . No, it wasn't me, but I have considered doing something like that!!

I'll leave it till next week then for bumble's jabs.

Found a great place for when P is older jaunita...we went to Temple Newsam on Sunday. The farm is fab and the grounds are really nice; lots of lovely open space. Busy though!

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Dozymare · 03/03/2009 12:29

lacks thanks for answering that! Agree about the evolution lateness, however, we have evovled and are a civilised nation why not babies as well. After all, we do use cutlery ourselves. Please post the link if you get time, I find it really interesting (sad thing that I am!!)

I am with you on the tongue thrusting out though, in 2003, the HV told me to do DS1 at 12 weeks as he was a big boy - he spat it straight out so we left until he was 16 weeks. I am sure that size has something to do with it though, as both my DS's were massive babies (over 10lbs at birth!). Tiger on the other hand is not, and is very happy with milk. I will wait until she starts draining bottle consistently I think before even attempting.

So does BLW advocate giving your baby what you are eating - what if you are ahving a nice juicy steak, surely you wouldn't give that to a baby????

3 words to say to you ladies: NARS LAGUNA BLUSHER......I have had several comments everytime I wear it about how well I am looking....it's fabberoony!!!!

chocolategal · 03/03/2009 12:44

ceebee glad sam likes blanket, how cute is he!!??

kidney ultrasound today went ok. There is no change so will continue to be monitored.

thanks for the tip dozy will have a look at that next time im out

ruthosaurus · 03/03/2009 12:46

Hey all!

I have had no time to catch up or anything but Vbab very kindly agreed to post my apologies last week. How are you all doing?

Fin won't go to sleep in the evenings any more - average bedtime is 11pm. And it takes about 2 hours to get him to go to sleep. And once something has worked once it never works again, dammit - rocking, singing, feeding, shushing, telling him to go to bloody sleep... So for the last 2 weeks at least that is what I have been doing, with no time for mumsnetting. At the mo he is having a nap and I have forgone getting dressed and putting slap on in order to get some puter time.

Dozy, any recommendations on concealer for the bags under my eyes? Touch eclat is just highlighting them these days.

Will read up last few pages now, just getting a cuppa first.

Bathroom nearly finished, though. Only the shower curtain to go.

ruthosaurus · 03/03/2009 13:20

Got to page 22 and then he woke up but blimey, aren't we all having a time of it? Hugs all round, plus lashings of the aforementioned gin. Weight loss be buggered.

See you all in another 2 weeks! Kidding, hopefully...

LackaDAISYcal · 03/03/2009 13:37

blimey rutho.....I hope this is just a phase and passes soon. He obviously just loves being with his mum soooo much

Dozy, iirc, we waited till DD was about 9mo before letting her tackle steak . she started off on bits of veg and potato, pasta and rice, fish and chicken, and things like mild curries and spag bol. She tackled everything we threw in her direction with relish. Not the tidiest way to feed a baby, but it meant she ate with us and loved being at the table amongst it. she was pretty adept with a spoon by the time she was 12months and has been using a fork for a few months, but her cousins who are three months younger and spoon fed were much slower off the mark.

bumble just wont settle this afternoon. I was hoping he would sleep, then I could sleep as well (another night of two hourly feeds here).....but no!

I'm wondering whether to go back to A&E. My gallbladder pain isn't easing up at all

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Oblomov · 03/03/2009 14:01

sorry to hear that daisy.
Just got back from Pn group. off for a lie down. M fed every hour on the hour last night. Honestly. i am cream crackered. see you guys later, when I have recovered.

barbareebaa · 03/03/2009 14:19

hello!
left handed typing as am nakking so apologies in advance!
daisy agree with everyone in that you are fabulous and have done so well with the bf-ing with the pain you are in. Not to mention the bouts of mastitis! Think you should see someone about the pain - can you get someone to come to you?

how awful was that hv - makes me so what on earth gives her the right? totally agree with whoever said (daisy) that if it wasn't for info from mn I would've probably given up bfing ages ago

hi autumnlady and rutho and to everyone else!

love come dine with me but am bit crap at cooking tho so prolly be one of them that cheats!

erm... W is taking ages to settle at night - waking up 4/5/6 times dh has got good at settling him whilst I rock quietly in a corner
it's very tough this baby lark i think.

Have been feeling under pressure from mum to be getting W to nap away from me (she lives 250 miles away - she has amazing powers...)so tried to get W to take his morning nap in cot - tried for 3 hours shushing/ patting nursing til eventually he was very sick, screaming in cot.I will never try that again. don't think all babies are good to be left - i wasnt happy about doing it but felt i should be. anyway i won't be told again woe betide anyone mention the rod and back business (not you guys obv)

so. W is in 6-9 month babygros [shock) i measured him and he is somewher around 28inches long (wriggling) his top half is 3-6 months - he must just have long legs!

anyhoo - love to all xx

Rosa · 03/03/2009 16:58

2 hrly feeds over here as well ... Plus a huge explosive poo- she has cat napped on and off ish and dd1 has a nasty cough so she diddn't nap either ( pass the matchsticks please)
Daisy hope the pain eases up ...You really are having a bad run of it .
Barbs - sorry that you are having problems with napping / sleeping I guess by now you have tried everything - I found pick up put down worked well ... But even now when miniorsa does not want to be in the cot she really can scream and it takes ages to quieten her down we have sobs ...So not going down that route ... we muddle through in our way GF would be grey if she was in my house!!!!!

cricri · 03/03/2009 17:02

barbs I've also worried about E not wanting to sleep on her own but have read so many threads on the subject now that I've been reassured that I'm not making a rod for my own back by having her in a sling and co-sleeping. Take a look in the sleep section, lots of advice and reassurance there. Some babies just don't want to be on their own and it takes them time to get used to it. Good old evolution again - babies sleeping on their own is a relatively new thing in the grand scheme of things! Go with your instincts and what you know is right for W. Incidentally E is in 6-9 month babygros too but can still fit in 3-6 month tops. She definitely is long!
Rutho Sorry you're having such a hard time with F Have you considered a sling for the evenings? If you can get him to drop off in it as you're going about your usual business you could try transferring him to his cot afterwards.
Obs Sounds like it's growth spurt time. I'm also knackered after last night's feeding frenzy and it wasn't every hour!
Chocolategal Sorry to hear there's been no improvement in E's kidney condition, but good news that it's no worse.
Daisy Sorry to hear you're in so much pain - agree with trying to get somebody to come out to you if you can.
Your mention of Temple Newsam brought back memories for me - I was born in Leeds and lived there for 6 years. My mum used to take me to the park every day from when I was a baby - I remember the farm well and also all the greenhouses further down. It's a lovely place for children.
We went to baby swimming this afternoon - I love it because it knocks E out for a good couple of hours afterwards

tegan · 03/03/2009 18:02

Don't know if anyone would be intersed but I have 14 mother ease nappies with 14 boosters and 5 lg wraps - £90 inc p&p

15 tots bots bamboo aplix nappies 4 outers and a brand new roll of liners in original bag in sz 1 - £80 inc p&p

Just testing the water really but if anyone is interested i can do photos

Pinkglow · 03/03/2009 19:08

Sounds like most babies are doing the frenzed eating thing at the mo?

Ok now about BLW - surely it depends on when your baby is ready to be weaned rather than what you want to do. I mean if Henry was ready to be weaned next week then due to his lack of grasp etc Id have to puree his food. But if he decides hes ready to be weaned nearer the 6 month mark, his hand eye co-ordination will allow him to start right away on finger foods, in fact he may even prefer that or he will try to grap the spoon off me anyway?

Dozymare · 03/03/2009 19:42

couldn't agree more pinkglow. Plus, being inquisitve, if I had a plate of cat food in front of me, I am sure that the baby would go for that.........Surely not thinking "Oh I want catfood" so how do we/they differentiate as I thought BLW was all about "what the baby wants"

PinkyMinxy · 03/03/2009 20:14

hello all
Things are much calmer forme today. Had great session with therapist and I feel I am getting somewhere.

Twinks I have a piece of New Zealand jade as a necklace- this is also known as a comfort stone. DD1 loved to chew it and so does Imi. I never (or extremely rarely) take it off- DS chose it for me for my birthday before DD1 was born. The amber looks very lovely, too.

Daisy I do hope the pain eases soon.x

Who was it whose baby hasn't been weighed since 8 weeks? Imi hasn't either. Nurse was joking with me last week that Imi was clearly wasting away she really is quite chubby, and is getting quite long, too (Imi, not nurse). She is now wanting to be sitting up lot, to see what is going on.

cricri and others who carry their babies in slings/co-sleep etc. You should see how happily DD1 snuggles down into her bed after her story- so content! Take heart!

Hi Rutho! Sorry to hear you are not getting much sleep.

Weaning- DD1 did not like being spoon fed- she wanted to hold the food/spoon herself. I didn't BLW I more did blw with a bit of chunky slop at first because she really didn't like chewing- more sucking things into submission!

PinkyMinxy · 03/03/2009 20:16

Sorry that's after DD1 was born.

LackaDAISYcal · 03/03/2009 21:10

If you were eating the cat food Dozy, then the baby would be interested in what you were doing and want to join in

BLW is on the basis that if the baby has lost the tongue thrust reflex, can sit unaided and can get food from the table to their mouth and be able to get it to the back of their mouth and swallow...then they are ready to be weaned. Babies that spit food back at you, or who have to be propped up aren't ready. The premise being that mother nature has kind of got it sussed

right, I hope I can do this extract without infringing copyright...i think it's OK. So, from BLW by Gill Rapley and Tracey Murkett.

""The Trouble With Spoonfeeding

Imagine you are six months old. You enjoy copying whatever you see your family doing and you want to grab the things they are handling to find out what they are. As you watch your parents eating, you're fascinated by the smells shapes and colours. you don't understand that they are eating because they are hungry; you simply want to have a go at what they are doing - that's how you learn. but instead of allowing you to join in, your parents insist on putting something mushy into your mouth with a spoon. The mush is always the same consistency, but the taste seems to vary: sometimes it's nice, sometimes it's not. Your parents might let you see it, but they rarely let you touch it. At times they seem to be in a hurry; at other times you have to wait for the next mouthful. When you spit the food out because you weren't expecting it (or even just to see what it looks like) they scrape it up as quickly as they can and poke it back in again! You haven't yet learnt that this mush can fill your tummy so if you're hungry you'll probably feel frustrated because what you want is a milk feed. Maybe if you're not too hungry you'll go along with it. But you are still curious about what everybody else is doing and would rather be allowed to do the same.""

Food for thought?????

I'm not that much of an evangelist about it, just the lack of preparation (making up batches of cubes I found tedious in the extreme), other than making sure the bits are not too big to handle or too small to be swallowed whole suits my slack parenting style . I bought the book mainly to compare to what I just did naturally with DD. It's a pretty interesting read though.

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LackaDAISYcal · 03/03/2009 21:12

Pinky, I'm glad things are seeming a bit clearer for you this week and that the therapist is helping

Things are a bit easier here thank goodness. Looks like this one has passed already.

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zonedout · 03/03/2009 21:17

Hi all! Have been just about reading everything but a combination of extreme chaos in my life right now (builders, too many funerals and shitty test results for me) and feeling quite low has left me unable to post for a while...

But just wanted to say to barbs and cricri that my ds1 is living proof that a fully slung and co-sleeping baby will eventually turn into a really perfect and happy sleep through the night aloner... with no sleep training at all. So confident am I that i am going down the same route again, with ds2. But you are right, the hardest part is contending with all the 'well-meaning' advice and 'shoulds' and 'oughts'. if you can hang on in there (and at times, yes it is extremely hard going) i promise you will get there in the end. And the rod for your back threats are complete rubbish. Also remember that although it may not feel likke it right now, this time does pass extremely quickly and before you know it you will likely have an independant 3 year old who doesn't want the closeness any more...

poor daisy get well wishes to you.

dozy thanks for the tip but i am waayyyy too far gone for blusher

hi to everyone else