June 2008 babies: rolling, sitting, crawling, babbling, teething, laughing, sleeping (not yet!)

[spongebrainbigpants]

New home!

UDC, I'm really sorry to hear about your ectopic, but thank you so much for sharing that with me. The fact that my HCG is already showing up strongly when my period was only two days late is hopefully a good sign then?

I will let you know what my levels are when I get them on Monday. Thank you again .

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UCDake - got that wrong - UDCake - still don't know when the programme will be on TV, It's so long ago now, have looked ahead on tv schedules and can't see it in the next few weeks.

anyone just watched Mistresses, I think they're all heading for trouble!

OH MY GOODNESS! I've just popped in during living hell of children with diarrhorea half term. What wonderful news, Sponge. I'm delighted for you and your DH.

Hope everyone else is ok. vivaglasvegas I've just cottoned on that you're Laura (?right?). . Great name.

Sponge, these early days/weeks are so worrying aren't they? Sounds like you are having some success with the sleep training. That's great!

Sorry Debs, didn't really like that sleep article! I really hate the sanctimonious attitude about how sleep training under one is wrong and how it is cruel to just stop feeding babies in the night and wrong to try to 'force' them to sleep through. IMO it is just human nature to try to get a baby to sleep at night. Oh well, different things work for different people. Hopefully it can help someone!

I was going to say how proud I am of the DTs and their sleep but saying that it has just taken three hours to get Theo to go to sleep! He is really getting the hang of crawling-ish now (he can only go backwards) so i wonder whether he just wants to be up practising that rather than being in bed

Hi Rolf, sorry your half-term is hell so far!

Hi Neenz . Just hoping it's a 24-hour bug.

*sponge& I had my HCG levels checked regularly early in my pg with S because of previous m/c's and it was such a relief (And good sign) that they were nice and high.

I had to really fight to get them though. They did the test once a week and I was supposed to wait a week for the result to come back to my GP . All that would do was tell me I was still pg a week earlier. So I used to ring the early pg support place and they'd get my results for me same day .

Am so pleased for you btw. I was even telling DH about you and he thought it was brilliant news too.

Incidentally amber if you're still worrying about other secret pregnancies I'm definitely not . Although I had a few days the other week when I felt really queasy all the time and DH did wonder. What a fright I got

Oh, btw, I just finished my assignment . I have another one due in about a month (the one I've been doing was long overdue) so I'm going to start it this weekend so I get it in early. Honest...

Off to watch mistresses.

Morning all- half watched Mistresses as was trying to draw a cow logo for a manufacturing 'business' I am going into, and trying to design the layout for our build so that I can show the architect...it's quite good. Might have to Sky+ it. Should I watch 1st series first though?

Sponge- can't help with the bricking, but you know we are all here for you (secretly feel solid +ve this early means you will have twins...but keeping that to myself)

Well done on assignment BDQ.

Have been up early with a perky baby whose hacking cough wouldn't let her sleep later. Ugh. She wants to stand all the time too so I can no loger leave her to amuse herself. As I write she is emptying the nappy caddy Better go deal with that...

gosh i'm off line 2 days and miss the most fantastic news - huge congrats sponge! I know you were worrying about the IVF - I had the same, spent the first year of ds' life worrying about how to fit in work, fertility treatment and a toddler - then Caitlin arrived after just the one occasion. I have wanted to say that to you several times but it always seemed insensitive before!! Sending all the best best wishes in the world that bean is happily snuggled up where he / she needs to be.

Have had more good baby news this week, some dear friends have just had a baby after lots of heartbreak, many failed IVFs and a 20-week termination, so happy for them

No progress on sleep here, feeding in a chair got her back in her cot but we all ended up knackered with all the disruption so I am back to being a fully-paid-up member of the sod it and cosleep club for now. Dp sleeping on the airbed - no chance of daily sex for us!! She wakes briefly every sleep cycle from midnight - 6. We are coping better but she is unhappy through lack of sleep. Considering CC again but she is SO much happier in bed with me, my instincts are saying no this time (I was happy to do CC with ds - well not happy but you know what I mean). So thanks for the article Deb, it gives me some more strategies to try, v. helpful to see another possible way.

Discovered downside to BLW and Tripp Trapp - my 2 year old is now insisting he too eats his breakfast off the table top with his hands ...

abdn I have a friend who lectures with OU as she had toddler then twins, it works for her.

sponge am curious about what exactly your fertility issues are - does your specific situation raise chances of an ectopic or is the GP just being cautious? sorry if I'm being too nosy, just tell me to back off if so!

Morning all! Well, a second successful night - Alex slept from 7pm to 7.30am!! Well, at least I thought he had cos I didn't hear him but when dh emerged bleary eyed from the spare room I realised it hadn't been that good a night! Apparently A had stirred quite a few times in the night but had put himself back to sleep - which is fantastic but meant that dh had a very broken night bless him .

SA, I didn't realise your first LO was an IVF baby - you must have been so thrilled when you found out you were pg naturally. It just seems unreal doesn't it? No worries about asking - ectopic a very serious risk for me unfortunately, I have tubal blockage. My left tube is completely sealed but my right tube has a very small hole which the embryo has hopefully sneaked through. But when I had my lap and dye they did say the hole was tiny and an ectopic would always be a risk. I'm trying to quell my panic about this cos I know I would then have to have surgery to remove my tube, but UDC gave me some fab support yesterday about that so feeling a little more relaxed.

I do actually know of a fair number of people who've had an IVF baby and then gone on to conceive naturally but I think we just assumed our fertility issues rendered this impossible. Clearly not!

Wonderful news about your friend too.

Sorry the sleeping is still so rough - I think you do what you have to do .

Rolf, thank you. Sorry to hear you're having such a stressful half term . Hope it doesn't last all week.

Neenz, I have heard that development milestones interrupt their sleep so yes it's probably T putting in some extra practise! However, I had just read on the thread about feeding twins that you are hoping they'll crawl soon so think of it as short term pain for long term gain!

Btw, could not believe greenmonkies on that other thread - never even had twins but comes on to an ff feeding thread and tells a twin mum it would be easier to bf twins then bottle feed them!! WTF!! Couldn't believe her cheek!

BDQ, KWYM about the blood results - I'm used to getting them back same day from my fertility clinic, will take some getting used to that I have to cope with NHS timescales now .

Congrats on the assignment! I'm so impressed that you're studying with an 8 mth old baby. I struggle to get to the end of a newspaper article, let alone write an assignment.

P&P, I did have a slight panic yesterday that the amount of nausea I was feeling was a bit extreme for a singleton pg this early on. However (and my biology could be letting me down here!), I think it would be impossible for me to conceive twins cos I think that would involve an egg being released from both ovaries? My left tube is sealed so any egg released from there would be lost, so it must be an only!

sponge Identical twins come from one egg that has split in two!!

I'm being over anxious right now as I am spotting rather than having a proper period. I was due on monday and after having a copper coil periods are much heaiver for a few months. It seems strange to be willing my periods to start!

DS slept really badlt last night and even he looks roung this morning. I assume it's teething as he couldn't settle and kept chewing me.

will you let me know if our webcam's working please? here
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no need to apologise Neenz

Debs it's working, I can see some smoke maybe steam comming from someones chimney!

thanks goingto

Going, are you anxious cos you worry you are PG? Sorry you had a bad night.

Sponge, two eggs could have been released from the same ovary to make non-id twins, or of course it could id twins as p&p said! I got my positive result at 3+4 weeks, it was VERY faint! I wasn't very sick till about 6 weeks but every PG is different so you never know! Twins are great

Yes I could not believe greenmonkies on that thread. It is the first example I have seen of someone coming on a FF thread and saying 'why don't you just BF? That would solve all your problems!' Silly cow. Like you said, she has never had twins but feels qualified to say 'it's easy to feed twins, just use your breasts'

Theo eventually went to sleep at 10pm last night (lied on his side - never slept like that before) and slept through (I had to wake him this morn and he looked knackered bless him). Esther woke at 3am and - you inspired me Sponge - I did CC. She cried for an hour but for a lot of it she was just being noisy, not really wailing. She only wailed when I actually went in to her! She woke again at 6.40am and I left her again and she fell back to sleep and then I woke her at 7.30. It felt really cruel this time, I think because she is 9.5mo now and is really becoming a little independent person with a strong personality (like her mum ). When she was 6mo I felt very much like she didn't really know what was happening to her when I did CC - and she wouldn't remember the next day - but last night I could see her really looking at my boobs and I felt really tight denying her, and I am sure this morning she was a bit annoyed at me! Hopefully we'll have it knocked on the head after tonight and she'll start sleeping through again [hope].

I am so chuffed at your success with Alex, Sponge. I feel a bit defensive about CC (you might have noticed ) cos MN is so anti-CC, so when it works for people so effectively and quickly I feel kind of smug .

Last night I properly read that sleep article that Debs posted a link to (at first I gave up half way through cos I could not bear his patronising tone!) and he actually has some good tips. It is basically CC but you work towards CC over a longer period by first cutting down feeds, then just giving cuddles and then just letting the baby cry. That to me seems crueller cos it is so drawn-out! But each to their own.

Can I just ask a q? Sorry, this has turned inot a mega post... but did anyone take their mum to their 8m check? Or would you consider taking your mum? My SIL's baby had his 8m check yesterday and she took her mum with her. She is 32 years old ffs! I think it is a bit to need you mum to hold your hand. There is nothing wrong with her baby, although she had been told (wrongly) that he had a small head - they plotted it wrong on the graph (f'ing HVs!!)

Debs the webcam is working, it looks beautiful! Very !

neenz, I wouldn't really mind twins - as you know I've always wanted four - but a 16mth old baby and twins could be a bit hard core!!

Lol at you being inspired by me! You've always been much better at getting your babies to sleep than me - glad you had success. IKWYM about MN being v anti-CC but I did read quite a funny thread a couple of weeks ago which was called something like "Things you wish you could say on MN but are too scared too"! One poster said "CC really does work"!! Made me laugh!

Thought you were asking about 8 mth check cos you wanted to take your mum but remembered your twins are actually nine mths! No, didn't take her - think she would have been a bit surprised if I'd asked!

going, not even entertaining the idea of identical twins!! Sorry your DS had a bad night .

Deb, ohmigod your webcam view is idyllic!

hi quick posting -pearls don't think you need to watch first series of mistress (and agree deb they're heading for trouble - that bloke she married looks like a human ferret).

neenz agree re your mum at the 8m check - wtf is that all about?! only reason I can possibly see is if you had twins and wanted an extra pair of hands to change em (that said my twin mum friends are reasonably adept at dealing with two out of necessity now). and frankly I can think of few things less helpful than taking my mum bless her.

and re sleeping - edie not crawling yet but very much more mobile (shuffle backwards etc) and it does take her ages to get her off some days - I agree that her brain full of crawling thoughts so can't settle.

sponge glad things are still improving on sleep front...edie tryign to climb out her chair to eat the new dvds I ordered for her. and just filled in my form re going back to work etc - only 8 weeks to go now

Sorry about work Poppy

I was playing with the DTs this morning and thought of you Sponge, and thought 'twins and a 16mo? Nooooooooo!!!' You would survive (I would come to live with you ) but it would not be easy! A 16mo and one newborn will be hard enough. Good luck with that!

Lol at things you can't say on MN... I have just noticed a 'support thread for disposable nappy users' which I thought was hilarious.

I'll be ok when I get into it neenz..just thoguht of transition I hate.. and lol at that thread.

bloke at work has 11months between oldest and the dts..apparenlty his wife cried when she found out..

sponge he wasn't IVF, mine was a hormonal issue, my cycles were screwed and I needed HCG injections to ovulate earlier in the cycle to extend my luteal phase, so much less invasive than IVF - but still required lots of early morning visits to the hospital for scans and shots, and yes, was thrilled to conceive without all that 2nd time round!! and to have 2 close together, which I didn't think would be possible.