June 2008 babies: rolling, sitting, crawling, babbling, teething, laughing, sleeping (not yet!)

[spongebrainbigpants]

New home!

Hi Essie
Yes we're in Penmachno. And coming from Dorset we normally come along the M4 cross the original bridge and come up therough the Wye Valley to Hereford, Knighton, Welshpool via Lake Vrynwy over to Bala and then take the mountains roads missing Blaneau Ffestinog and then into Penmachno. Our octtage is halfway up a mountain anyway and when we were there in October we had a coupke of inches of snow!
A meet up would be lovely, although I am visiting with my parents and the boys. (DH has to stay at home and look after the cats). Whereaboutsd in Anglesey are you? We always pop over onto the island to go to LlanfairPG and visit the Outlet shop there. Plus DS1 likes to look at all the train models.

Sponge we ff/blw

Hmmm Essie, there wasn't too much eating going on today, just wailing. Let's face it I don't think there are many thngs you can force a baby to do if they are determined not to. When P decides to start his day at 5.30 there is not a thing to do about it except take him downstairs and put the kettle on.

P has woken up and has a temperature. More calpol has been given. Waiting for his tiredness to get the better of him...

Essie how was your night?

Morning

How was everyone's night?

Hope P's temperature has gone down Alli

Morning

How was everyone's night?

Hope P's temperature has gone down Alli

Morning

How was everyone's night?

Hope P's temperature has gone down Alli

Morning

How was everyone's night?

Hope P's temperature has gone down Alli

Just skimming back to see how everyone is doing and it sounds like most people need a hug. Remember last year when we were all about the arrival of our babies and Creme Eggs. I don't recall anyone mentioning the neverending guilt-fest that comes with being a mother (why did none of the pros mention it?!)

Afraid I went to bed early with a shocking headache last night so wasn't around for discussion. DH put babypearls to bed (with much crying etc.) but left me to get up with her n the middle of the night (she has a smoker's cough)

(((((big big hugs))))) to everyone. FWIW I have no experience of bf currently and babypearls is all about the puree. I felt no guilt putting her in nursery- she only goes one day a week-and I don't really have a career either. Those of you who I have had the pleasure of meeting in RL know that I have the luxury of a sleeping baby, cold notwithstanding. I'm afraid if I feel I have nothing constructive to offer when people are having tough days, I tend to stay quiet and let those who know what they are talking about offer advice- Hope you don't mind. To my mind every mum is doing it right if they love their baby. Sorry- mini-rant.

Now off to feed breakfast to babypearls.

essie Fraser is the same - very small for his age and I've been told to feed him more, but not milk - more fats like olive oil. Anyways, I've no chance of getting him to have more milk than he wants and if I try to feed him more often he just starts snacking and then I worry he's not getting any hindmilk. That being said, he often wont eat any purees so we always offer finger food after his puree and sometimes he'll eat that instead. Last night he had a ton of pizza.

deb we had a better night thanks to a healthy dose of calprofen.

pureeandpearls because all of us non-first timers were too busy feeling guilty and feeling like we must be the only ones! I wish I had mumsnet first time around. Thanks for the hug!

Deb - thanks for asking. Still has a temperature and is breathing rapidly and noisily. Bit flushed but seems to be in good spirits. Debating whether to phone the dr as he seems quite happy, is enjoying breakfast, but isn't entirely healthy. I am sure if we went to the surgery I would be told to keep up the calpol and come back if t doesn't get any better.

Morning . Thanks for asking 5GoMad: previous night was a blip - Iestyn woke at 1.30 (fed him), 4.15 (ignored him) and 5.15 (fed him) last night. Never mind, eh?
However, I was pondering on this one (at 5.15am) and he has made the fatal error of demonstrating that he can sleep through, so he may be forced into it again...

Aberdeen funny that you should mention the hindmilk. I went to my bfing counsellor in distress when Iestyn was around 3 months old, and said that he wasn't getting any hind milk. All the books say he needs to feed for 10 minutes on one side at least to get the hindmilk. Iestyn is over and done with on both sides in 10 minutes! He's really speedy. Anyhow, she laughed and said tell Iestyn that. He clearly is getting the hindmilk as he's not wasting away (small but not skin and bone).

Libra LOL I'm in LlanfairPG. Well, not quite but I'm in a village nearby. I'm going to pop there today actually because Pringles has (apparently) cashmere on offer. Their shoe section is really good too - if you like trendy versions of mumsy sensible shoes. Which I do. (I'm trying to sell my funky pointy boots if anyone is a size 5 - pic on my profile.)

Ali is Peter teething? Apparently they can have a temperature for that. Others will probably know more about this than first-timer-never-been-interested-in-babies here. Haven't seen Peter for ages (I'm fond of him because I think he looks so serious, even when he's smiling!) - hope he's well other than the grumpiness!

Thanks Essie. It could be teeth, you are right. The dr likes to see babies, not just talk to their neurotic Mums on the phone so am debating whether to go down to the surgery or leave it for now. P is currently "reading" very happily but panting at the same time.

Ali - hope temperature goes down soon. As long as he is fine in himself I'm sure there's no need to worry, and he'll let you know if that changes!

Yes motherhood is a never-ending guilt fest. No, other mothers don't tell you because like labour pains, it is impossible to describe with any degree of realism. Also like labour, you do forget the worst of it when it has passed - and the baby bit eis the worst imho

Ali if it helps, Iestyn had a temperature 2 weeks ago. First time, it was a bit high, but he was fine, playing and laughing. Second time, it was over 37, and I phoned NHS direct and then had to go through all these endless questions (fair enough, they were thorough), and had to take him to the out of hours GP. There was basically nothing much wrong with him other than a cold, and a temperature. But then again, I could have ignored it and it could have been something serious.

Morning all, well Alex slept til . . . . 4.30am!

My poor dh then spent half a futile hour settling him back without success before I said I'd co-sleep and dh slept in the spare room.

So it would seem that the daytime naps or lack of them make no difference at all!

Essie, I'm no expert either but it just drives me insane that the perceived wisdom on MN is that bf mums are all earth mothers who just go with the flow, totally baby-focused and baby sets the agenda, whereas all ff mums are routine freaks who's babies do what they're told when they're told and no messing! Like we only stopped bf cos we couldn't cope with the lack of structure in our day! It's such bollocks!

Ali, hope P is feeling better today.

Sorry about that night, Sponge - but at least you got a good stretch?
I agree with you on the whole bf thing. You've met me - I would never say I'm an earth mother. Not at all. I'm not laidback, I'm a list driven control freak who hates being told what to do (especially by a very small baby - but I give in easily to him! )

I am obviously a mean mother temperature wise. It's not high until over 37 in this house, and you don't get calpol until high 37's/38 ish Both older kids tend to get temperatures of 39+ if they are ill though, and we have seen 40+ on occasion so I tend to keep calpol until the temperature has really spiked. I feel a bit mean now though!

J hates his highchair so I'm thinking of getting a tripp trapp so he feels more involved at table and less strapped behind a huge tray. Any thoughts?

sybil, one of my friends has a tripp trapp and absolutely loves it (as does her son! )

Essie, yer, reasonable stretch - but I need to start going to bed earlier!

Just having my usual morning battle with A to get him to sleep. He's exhausted but just won't give in . All this for 30 mins break!

ohmigod, really shouldn't read/answer posts on MN when tired - have just read a post that has upset me soooo much have been really abusive in response

off to bed

quick post - was on/off yesterday sponge I fel your pain re alex and bedtime routine (had very similar story here) -I'm putting it down to a phase (not exactly seperation anxiety but edie definiltey knows mama/dada

essie glad you got it out your system (my one and only attempt at flouncing got nipped in the bud after half an hour so I admire your two week stance...) - think the feeding forums generally are a nightmare... adn sponge knows I agree/share her views re the stuff on ff. I'll happily lend any of em that think you can control ff edie for a day and let em see how they get on...she does a very good line in punishment vomit if you feed her milk when she doesnt want it. sorry iestyn returned to form but as you say he has shown that he can do it if he wants to..

ali the not quite right but not exactly ill thing you describe with P does sound v.like teething..

As for work thing I really do sympathise with HH etc re the real issue being its completely shit if you're going back to a stressy job... I've changed mine but am still very hesitant about going back although seems very nice and taken every effort to make sure I don't get stuck in same position as before (crap boss, no prospects etc etc). For those who don't remember the real low poiint was having an annual review on the phone two days before I had edie (so you can imagine my mental state)... I totally lost it but looking back glad I did as made me finally see sense to move.

pearls hope babyp a little better today and tell her to leave off the capstan fullstrength and get watching bunnytown....

catch up later as off out for lunch with my mum then acupuncture session... sorry for any posts I missed (hi to 5gomad -how is the book mound reading going?)

thanks for the birthday wishes. I had a lovely day.

Sybil we have a tripp trap (in storage ). I really like it but bear in mind that the baby can grab things from the table and you'll need to keep scrubbing the family table, not just a little tray.

sybil we have a cheap version of a tripp trapp (BabyDan) and Fraser loves it. It's great for keeping him involved and amused while we eat. Our kitchen table is cheap so I don't care what happens to it.

poppy love the phrase "punishment vomit"!

sponge can understand wht that thread riled you up - but please stay away from that whole topic! As you said, it's all full of people who are completely unable to understand that not all of us have the same choices or would make the same choices. And it's a bit short-sighted. After all, formula's not exactly like feeding your toddler hula-hoops and chocolate bars (oops - DS1 and I went on an adventure this morning to the village shop and I was very very hungry - am a good mother though as I didn't give any to Fraser). I think it's ridiculous that we place so much importance on the small differences between breastmilk and formula and then we allow far more lee-way in their diet for the rest of their lives.