June 2008 babies: rolling, sitting, crawling, babbling, teething, laughing, sleeping (not yet!)

[spongebrainbigpants]

New home!

wise words essie -as my friend said, if they've got a "bad habit" then they can be taught a "good one"

Essie sounds as if he could do with some extra fluids, if it is quite yellow and smelly could be concentrated. What has he ad to eat recently?

lol poppy, I'll remember that one!

essie on the wee, I noticed when A had to give a sample at hospital the other day that it was quite yellow and strong (don't generally notice in the nappies), but they didn't comment on it. I guess it might depend on when in the day it is, and how recent the last milk was etc. Will Iestyn drink water from a cup? I find it tedious to do this, but try to get A to drink water when I remember

Eating - he had stew, for lunch yesterday, and weetabix with ebm (yummy ) in the afternoon, and then a variety of rejected foods in the evening inc. lamb and sweet potato, an ella's sachet of carrot, parsnip and apple; less than half a jar of banana and rice pudding.
The drinking is a big issue - he really won't take anything much out of any receptacle other than a breast. (Mine...I assume!) He will occasionally take a minuscule amount of juice on a spoon.
This morning I wasn't too concerned because it was the longest he's ever gone without feeding overnight, and morning wee is always more concentrated, right? (Particularly in men! ) I'll see how he is tonight.

Given that it was a morning wee probably no need to worry as he'd gone without bf all night

essie congrats on the sleeping - you deserve it! And while we've never had a full night (we did get a 7 hour stretch though once!), we never had the every hour on the hour thing either. Worst case is normally every three hours which is almost human.

I find, though, aberdeen, that every three hours is only almost human if you've not experienced every four...

yes it's all relative, e.g. last night every 2 hours was fantastic!

Hi guys, god I can't believe how much I've missed in one day - and most of it appears to be Essie boasting about her sleeping baby!!

Essie, like 5 I had noticed your absence but also assumed it co-incided with your return to work. Now I'm intrgued by the three discussions on here that annoyed you!

Alex has been awake since six o'clock this morning, bar a short nap in the car on the way home from swimming. Yes, you read that right, nearly 13 solid hours! To say I'm knackered would be an understatement!!

Deb, thank you for not hating me!

Right, off to put my Duracell baby to bed - it will be very interesting to see what effect this non-napping has on his sleep! I will report back . . .

God Sponge you must be knackered.

I am pleased to report though that finally after 8 months DS seems to be napping during the day, regularly and for at least 90 mins in morning and 40 in afternoonm which means I can now catch up on bookwork, bookings, etc.

And also intrigued but didn't like to ask.

Sorry 5, I'm not that subtle - although of course Essie is unlikely to tell me!

Yay on the naps!

Sponge - let me know where babies batteries are fitted so I can start taking P's out.

P has had a temp today and is out of sorts. Apart from grumpiness I can't see any signs of illness.

Deb - thanks for the sunnies advice. I am watching a few pairs on eBay.

Allnew - know what you mean about RL people being shocked by a non sleeping non routinised baby. I also know no-one I'm RL who has heard of, let alone is doing BLW. So I do feel like a bit of an odd bod sometimes.

Rolf - the practicalities of weaning with 3 other DCs is more than I can begin to imagine. The idealized BLW view would be you and your 4 DCs having glorious picnics in sunny meadows and the baby trying her older siblings food, not the other way round.

Katyjo, did you miss WBs today ? are you ok?

We did underwater swimming with the babies today, it was fab to see B swimming! He screamed his head off of course the moment he came up for air, but he is a lot better than he used to be.

P&P ? thanks for your message. I?m sure you?ll love swimming when you get started ? in hindsight, I think it would have been better for B to leave it a little later anyway.

And thanks to all of you for sharing your bad mummy moments too!

Amber, really hope your sister is ok.

Happy birthday Rolf, I hope you got some lovely birthday treats.

Sponge hope your tummy is better and you don?t get a repeat of that. I reckon HateSponge must hate sponge cake.

Poppy, Bunnytown has passed me by ? what is it?? I don?t use a bag when I use the Scootababy, I just put stuff in my pockets. Haven?t used it much lately though, because how do you get a coat on? I can put it on over layers if it?s cold, but no go if it?s wet.

Goingto ? don?t know if this will make you feel any better, but I had a coil for 5 years, and it was absolutely great. Once I had it removed I went onto the mini pill and I think I?ve mentioned before what happened with that! I?m very pleased with the new coil I?ve got.

Essie, I am so pleased for you that Iestyn slept ? fantastic! Gives me some hope. Didn?t you say you were reading a teach baby sleep book or something ? do you think it help [Whinegums pleads to know the secrets if so!]

Allnew, we don?t have much of a routine either, I am trying to get B to go longer between night time feeds, but the only way I can do that is to bring him into bed and cuddle him back to sleep. My mum goes on about it, but I think she has forgotten what we were like ? because in the next breath, she says she didn?t get a full night?s sleep with me until I was three! Gah!

5 I?m jealous of your book buying. I have started to read properly again, but not managing nearly as much as I used to. I?ve had to give up my book club, which made me very sad.

Right, I?m watching the last episode of Mad Men to remind me what happened in the last series before the new one starts tonight ? can?t wait!

Essie, I also noticed you weren't posting but assumed it was because you were back at work. I am also rude enough to wonder what the conversations were about... Jamie has still never drunk from a bottle, but he will take 2oz max from the Boots beakers, and will dribble diluted juice from a doidy cup down his front if I push him. I agree that you will not still be breastfeeding Iestyn to sleep at 4. My dd refused to drink from bottles etc, and refused to drink formula or cows milk until she was 20 months but she did stop eventually - and before she was 2!

Similarly, I believe that Jamie will be eating actual food by the time he is 4. Today, he has eaten some melon and a couple of bites of toast. As someone else on here mentioned however he won't actually feed himself but will tolerate me putting little bites in his mouth if he is distracted by something else (in the night garden or a sibling generally). We call this baby-bird feeding.

Hope Katyjo is ok. Did she say when the op was going to be?

That's a shame whinegums, we have reformed our book club into a book swap club which I think will work better, we could never decide on books.

Five - thanks for asking, she went into hospital last week for a hysterectomy, and she came home today, everything is OK and she sounded so relieved to be coming home. I'll see her tomorrow, I would tell her you asked about her but she would have no idea what I was talking about!

Essie - a 2 week sulk, I thought it was quiet.Hurrah for Iestyn last night, fingers crossed for tonight, did you wake up in a lake of milk?oops - just saw you answered that. I am also in the bfeed and sod it club.

Alli - Hope P is better soon

Sponge - I hope Alex is asleep now, you must be so tired.

Everyone else - not ignoring you, just can't remember anything else.Knackered from Ethan being awake fom 3 ish this morning on and off , and trying to keep up with my boys skiing - they are way too fast for me.

LOL at all you nosy parkers!
One of the discussions was not on this thread, I was using 'here' to refer to mumsnet generally, and it was a very nasty and mean attack from someone on the weaning board - because BLW is the only way and I should just make Iestyn drink more milk. (Just out of interest, any bfers able to make your baby take the breast when he/she doesn't want to? Iestyn won't.) She was really, really mean and made me cry. And now any conversation on BLW p!sses me off. She was, I think, a redneck about it? Is that right, Aberdeen? (Have you noticed how I don't abbreviate your name - so proper of me!)

I'll confess to another of the three as well. This is more about me really than anyone on here being mean or anything like that. There was a while when lots of people were all sad and miserable about going back to work, and people crying leaving their babies with CM or nurseries. I then started to stay awake at night worrying about this, and thinking I was a freak who didn't love my baby enough because I don't feel bad about leaving him at nursery, I don't sit at work pining for him, and I just get on with things (and actually enjoy doing my work without distractions). So I was suffering from guilt basically and I hate feeling guilty! Also I'm mouthy and I was at risk of saying mean things in a weird self-defence kind of way. I'm not very good at being sympathetic but I try. (I'm terrible with people who are ill, for example. You would not want me as a nurse. Then there's my frenemy, when I tried my very best to be sympathetic with her depression, but it just went on and on - yes, I know depression isn't easily curable - and I got a bit bored of it all... I'm not that mean; she was better but kept finding other things to moan about like her pretend cancer and things so don't judge me too much on that one!)

Sponge your tummy pain was on the page I missed, clearly! Was it linked to the old monthly event? But 13 hours!! Hasn't he read the books?

Whinegums I'll reveal my secret for £20. Er, yes I have a good book, but I hadn't started doing the 'training' yet! Iestyn did chew the book for a while though so maybe he read it. He's going to e-mail Alex later to discuss it.

Debs the milk was everywhere! I bet I'll put on a bra and some breastpads tonight and not a drop will be left because he'll wake every hour. (Please, though, send him sleepy vibes because I am going to be SO disappointed now that I know he can do it!)

Essie I was not miserable when DD and DS started nursery either, to me it was precious hours to get things done rather than working around their naps. I positively look forward to Thursdays and Fridays when I have the mornings to myself.

allnew how unfair! Every two is just cruel... We have horrible nights like that when Fraser is teething (like tonight) but at least I know it's only temporary.

sponge fingers crossed for tonight!

essie and sybil we've gotten 2 or 3 oz into Fraser by feeding him with a spoon. He'll sip from a doidy cup too, but only a few times and then he refuses. It's great for water at mealtimes but not much else. My playgroup is planning another mums night out and I'm getting a bit frustrated that at 8 months old, Fraser is still this demanding. (But on the other hand, he's probably my last so I don't want to stop breastfeeding, there's been some really special moments).

essie rednecks aren't always mean, just awfully opinionated! Actually they are some of the nicest people ever, just completely lacking the ability to think critically and far too full of opinions! They drive me mental.

And I think going back to work depends a lot on what you're going back to. I was thrilled to get back to work when Duncan was 6 months, I'm less keen this time but that has more to do with my disillusionment about my work than my fulfillment as a mother. You obviously love your research so I'd be shocked if you weren't partially pleased to be back at work. Plus I'm firmly in the happy mother = happy baby camp...

Essie - I always leak when not wearing pads and don't leak when I do - sods law. Sounds like Iestyn inwardly digested the sleep book - get it, digested? If I try to make Ethan feed when he doesn't want to he bites me, needless to say, I don't try.And don't feel bad for being happy at work, there is no right way to be a Mum, despite what some more militant people on MN may think. When I went back to work after having ds2, my HV advised me to have some time to myself if I could afford it, I got the CM to keep them an extra 3 hours one day, which meant I got my lunch in peace and could have time at home after work with no-one else there .I loved it.

. What time did you get up this morning?
6am

1. Diamonds or pearls?

I wish for diamonds

1. What was the last film you saw at the cinema?

Now this is sad - Harry Potter 2, that must have been 6 years ago!

1. What is your favourite TV show?

Lost an DHouswives

1. What do you usually have for breakfast?

Branflakes

1. What is your middle name?

Jade

1. What food do you dislike

Sprouts

1. What is your favourite CD at moment?

Nick Drake, and Coldplay Viva la Vida

1. What kind of car do you drive?

Don't drive

10. Favourite sandwich?
    Chicken and homemade apricot chutney

11. What characteristic do you despise?
    Grumpiness

12. Favourite item of clothing?
    Ugg boots and my new Mac

13. If you could go anywhere in the world on vacation, where would you go?
    New Zealand

14. Favourite brand of clothing?
    Topshop(still trying to be young!)

15. Where would you retire to?
    St Ives of the South of France

16. What was your most recent memorable birthday?
    30th, first big night out after DD1

17. Favourite sport to watch?
    None

18. When is your birthday?
    30th April

19. Are you a morning or night person?
    Morning if Ive had enough sleep

20. What is your shoe size?
    UK 6

21. Pets?
    Nope

22. Any new and exciting news you'd like to share with us?
    Im going to London with my mum kidfree in 2 weeks!

23. What did you want to be when you were little?
    Interior Designer

24. How are you today?
    Tired but good

25. What is your favourite candy?
    Twix

26. What is your favourite flower?
    Tulips

27. What is a day on the calendar you are looking forward to?
    6th March

28. What are you listening to right now?
    My Bf talking on the phone

29. What was the last thing you ate?
    Thai Chicken soup

30. Do you wish on stars?
    No

31. If you were a crayon, what colour would you be?
    Green

32. How is the weather right now?
    Cold

33. The first person you spoke to on the phone today?
    Andy DP

34. Favourite soft drink?
    fat coke or apple and mango juice

35. Favourite restaurant?
    The Firehouse in Bath

36. Real hair colour?
    Strawberry Blonde

37. What was your favourite toy as a child?
    my bruno teddy

38. Summer or winter?
    deffinatly summer

39. Hugs or kisses?
    hugs

40. Chocolate or Vanilla?
    vanilla

41. Coffee or tea?
    builders tea

42. When was the last time you cried?
    Hmm not sure, recently though!

43. What is under your bed?
    lots and lots of clothes

44. What did you do last night?
    Went to bed at 8.30 to try and catch up on sleep, only to be woken 5 times!

45. What are you afraid of?
    My family not being around

46. Salty or sweet?
    Salty

47. How many keys on your key ring?
    2

48. How many years at your current job?
    3 years

49. Favourite day of the week?
    Friday

50. How many towns/suburbs have you lived in
    4

51. Do you make friends easily?
    Yep, if the circumstances are right.

It definitely makes me a better mother by having time away from them.