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April 2008 - the one where we have to babyproof everything!

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EllieG · 03/01/2009 08:58

Am I first? Couldn't think of what to call it....

VS - I think she is hungrier, yes, I tried giving more milk, which helped, but then yesterday she spurned more milk for more food (I guess she can't take both) and she did sleep better last night. Woke once at 5.30 for drink water and then 6.30 properly. She is never hungry for her breakfast til about 8 though - does anyone else have this? Should I stop giving a ten o clock feed?

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Siriusmewsaysboohoodrwho · 03/01/2009 21:50

Hello! My little guy is an April baby! Can I join?

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 21:50

For sure, Ellie. DH loves Rihanna more though. I think he wants her to have his babies

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EllieG · 03/01/2009 21:53

Hello sirius, course you can, though you have a very long name and I will not be able to spell the whole thing properly in a hurry if you insist upon it all

I am annoyed at some of the formula/breast milk threads going on tonight. FFS, it's like if you use formula for whatever reason you're giving your baby battery acid! I am too chicken to go on them and say that though, so I will moan here from a safe distance.

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Siriusmewsaysboohoodrwho · 03/01/2009 21:54

I give my LO formula now. It is a bit scary tho. The BF vigilanties who may come and burn your SMA!

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 21:55

Hi Sirius

It's an emotive subject, Ellie. I have been on both sides - to the extreme, really. Both boys FF from day dot; Mimi still BF. Don't start feeling bad, lady, for your Bfing start in life iyswim

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 21:56

Mimi has Aptamil sometimes now; want to cut BF to morning and night only soon

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EllieG · 03/01/2009 22:01

Bollocks to 'em sirius, I am done feeling guilty for my not very effective breasts and general crappness at bf. My baby is still alive, and appears to be thriving. Obviously breast is best, but formula doesn't actually harm them!

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MadameOvary · 03/01/2009 22:12

Ok Ellie - thanks due to chipmonkey too.
I had a drink with David Tennant - he was in a play with a friend of mine. This was pre-Dr Who but thought he was VERY attractive. Tis a nice memory

I am still up with DD - we went for a nap earlier but then she was wide awake. I cant help feeling it's her digestion. She doesnt drink enough water, so i let her BF all she wants.
Does anyone's DC just lie down and sleep?
Ellis has only done this once and that was midnight

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 22:13

Mimi is a lie down and sleep baby...she always has been excellent though...

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EllieG · 03/01/2009 22:18

She lies down and sleeps, but only if she's ready to IYSWIM and only cos I have done a lot of work on bedtime routines etc. And takes 20 mins of wriggling and noodling round before will sleep.

Am very at you btw. If I had had a drink with David Tennant I think I would have ended up stalking him or something, so best I don't really.

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Siriusmewsaysboohoodrwho · 03/01/2009 22:19

David will lie down and sleep but won't go through the night. Wakes up quite a bit after midnightish.

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EllieG · 03/01/2009 22:24

Talking of sleep - I'm cream crackered, night all

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MadameOvary · 03/01/2009 22:30

Scorpio and Ellie I would happily swap my experience of DT for a lie-down-and-sleep baby! What is the work you have done?
Welcome Sirius What do you do to settle David when he wakes?
I am contemplating baby massage, have been shown how - it's worth a try!

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 22:35

Baby massage is fab

I am always very strict from the start (well about 4 weeks) with sleeping, as ds1 was terrible sleeper and i was certain that wasn't happening again. I would always put them straight back to bed after feeding, NEVER EVER look/talk/touch unessecarily/change/ them in the night, and i do ignore for x minutes too. Mimi is a 7-7 baby, as was ds2. (Mimi BF, ds2 FF) put down awake, as in the night they will learn to go back to sleep awake without you having to be there, etc

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 22:37

have similar time every night for sleep, put down in same place to sleep, same routine (they learn the cues - for Mimi its dinner, clean up(either wipe or bath), change in bed stuff, in her grobag and boob, then bed)

Siriusmewsaysboohoodrwho · 03/01/2009 22:39

I'll give him a feed then the times after that I've tried dummies(rejected).patting his back allsorts. Not sure if baby massage would work as he's so ticklish he'd probably just start giggling!

LadyBee · 03/01/2009 22:54

Hi - found you! VS, new DR WHO is excellent choice, I think!
Ellie, sorry about lack of sleeping..I just stopped feeding Benedict in the night and he stopped waking up, except for last night.
I think B gets indigestion - he definitely seems uncomfortable in the evenings sometimes, and seems to take in too much milk in his last feed and then seems to have trouble with reflux and wind. Today was better, though, so will have think about what was different. So far the only think I can think of is no yoghurt.

How many milk feeds are your babies having during the day? My HV suggested B should be down to three now he was on three good meals a day - we were on four, two breastfeeds (first thing in the morning and last thing at night) and two formula feeds (around 11 and around 3/4). I guess we could reduce the mid-morning one?

Have been writing notes about B for my childminder (at her request...), am kind of amazed how much I can say about him now and still feel completely clueless most of the time

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 22:56

LadyBee - we are on 4. I would be more inclined to let him tell you when he wants to drop them

scorpio1 · 03/01/2009 22:56

sorry that wasnt meant boss-ily at all

chipmonkey · 03/01/2009 23:39

Ladybee, better do what scorpio says.

LadyBee · 04/01/2009 00:04

I'm shaking
Thanks scorpio, I always get caught up in the 'should' stuff and ignore my commonsense feeling..I did wonder why Benedict should have a feed taken away from him - will just follow his lead and if he starts his 'mmm mmm mmm' ing set a bottle down. If he makes a beeline for it, I'll know he's hungry for it.
Must go to bed...

VSisFlouncing · 04/01/2009 11:15

I haven't seen the FF/BF threads that were going last night but IME, it's generally two posters from the whole thread that make it kick off. One person goes on and on about how breast isn't best and doesn't make a difference (when we all know, actually it does) and someone else will go on and on about how terrible formula is and how your baby is possibly going to die because of it (which is preeeetty extreme, even for a hardcore BFer like me).
Then (normally) you have people who are a bit more clued up on both just trying to give honest, guilt-free advice in the middle of it all.
So take them with a pinch of salt, you tried your best with absolutely terrible 'help' and had to take the decision to give Molly formula so she could bloody eat!
IMO, an informed decision, and the right help available (sorry you didn't receive it) is the best we can hope for, breastfeeding isn't going to be for everyone.

DonDons · 04/01/2009 20:04

Lo' all

Ladybee - we are on 3 milk feeds a day now - the 11am was the last one we dropped but that was really A's decision.

We also use aptimil now but I am wondering when to start transitioning to cow's milk - I know 12 months is the guideline but does anybody know why?? [dumbass emoticon]

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EllieG · 04/01/2009 20:18

Hey folks!

You are right VS - I think there are some hardcore people on both sides, though why one would be a hardcore ffeeder is beyond me, apart from I can only imagine they feel a bit guilty and defensive. And the hardcore breastfeeders get very gung ho and pile it on. Tis all very silly, because, as you say, the honest and sensible advice gets lost in there sometimes. My friend gave me a nice thing recently after I was feeling a bit down about it at her - it was a chart of what breast milk does for baby at different stages so she said I could see all the good I had done in the 7 weeks I managed to feed Molly. Which was nice I thought.

Molly is on 3 milk feeds a day now, it works for her much better, but my mate's baby is on 4, which works for him, so I think is all good as long as doing OK.

MadameO - bedtime is same every night, and has been since 10 weeks old when I started putting her down awake rather than cuddling to sleep. Was a battle at first, and then again when I got rid of dummy at 4 months, but she is very chilled and sleepy at bedtime now, and goes off dead quickly.

Still wakes up in night though and often can't settle self, so am not being too smug.

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VSisFlouncing · 04/01/2009 20:57

Was it reasons to eb proud by the NCT Ellie? Same thing I sent my friend who stopped due to reflux.
You did great girl, don't you forget it!