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alicet · 17/11/2008 21:54

Thought this was appropriate given latest discussion and thought I would start a new thread before this expires!!!!

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TheLadyEvenstar · 15/01/2009 22:34

Hi All

Sorry for everyones sadness...and I am joining you all......I found out yesterday a friend of mine has cancer and is going to start chemotherapy soon. DO we ever get a break from sadness and heartache???? cos i sure need one now.

On another note, ds1 has broken down tonight and told me he is being bullied again at school. So i have let him sit up with us for a while and as a result Zachary who is being a sod tonight has bit him hard on his neck and left teeth marks there.

muppetgirl · 16/01/2009 12:11

Inzi ? I am so sorry about your granddad, you must still be in shock x

Floria - the account is really good idea. My brother has started talks with the woman again but he?s in a different country so not sure what they can actually achieve.

Crochet ? the account is really good idea. My brother has started talks with the woman again but he?s in a different country so not sure what they can actually achieve. Your poor pupil, a bain tumour at 16, just so sad

Dal- Well done Dylan!!

Well I?ve been in bed most of yesterday due to headache and tiredness and food making my stomach turn. I hadn?t eaten a proper meal since about Monday so was feeling crap because of that. Much better today though.
My sil said that she didn?t understand why I was feeling guilty about not seeing E and that children can grow up fine without both parents having an input. Her son (my nephew) has several children in his class who have no mum or dad and their lives and they are fine. I said that I really didn?t care too much about those children as I?m not related to them! I said children are caused all sorts of problems by not having both parents and some struggle with never knowing who they are and where they came from. I think she is being over simplistic and not really showing any understanding of children at all. I told my brother that Ollie has asked questions as to where his other grandma is as his friends have 2 and I have had to explain that situation so I can understand why E would be asking about her dad. He seemed surprised by that.
I?ll write the letter and set up the account and see what comes of their attempts in sorting it out.

Stefka · 16/01/2009 12:30

LLL how are you feeling today? Anni's are so difficult to handle - I hope that yesterday wasn't too hard for you.

TLES so sorry to hear about your friend. I hope the treatment is effective.

Horrible to hear that DS1 is being bullied but I am so glad that he was able to open up and tell you about it. He must be feeling a lot better now that it is out in the open.

Dalrymps · 16/01/2009 12:56

Hey everyone,

Floria - Hope you get some more sleep soon.

Les - Sorry ds1 is being bullied, hope something can be done about it. I was bullied in the last 2 years of high school, it can make it a very lonely place

Thought i'd finally update you on the meeting with my parents.

Most of the day was good as I said before. They were really happy to see Dylan and my Dad especially was very emotional when he met him.

Dylan was a bit shy at first but after half an hour or so he went to them no problem and was laughing away and giving hugs etc.

We had sausage and bacon sandwiches with them for dinner that they cooked for us in their self catering holiday home. They had brought some xmas presents for us and Dylan. My mum had tried to recreate xmas by putting lights up and had a santa sack full of clothes and toys for Dylan. We swapped presents and Dylan played with his new toy, a steering whell with sound fx.

The only bit that was a bit strange about this was that later on in the day she got some presents out that were presents she had bought that were meant to be from Dylan to them?!!! I thought this was weird but didn't say anything, we had given them some chocolates from him already and I thought if anyone would buy his Gran and Grandad a present from him it should be us. Anyway, it wasn't surprising cause my mum does stuff like that all the time (I think it's to do with the fact she's self obsessed - even buys presents off other people to herself)

We had told them about Dylan being a fussy eater so my mum was dying to have a go at feeding him. We were happy to let her cause it gave us a break. She managed to get about 6 spoons in and was pleased with herself so that went well.

We then drove to the nearby beach and hey had a go at pushing the buggy along the local promenade which was nice.

We then went in to town as my mum wanted a cooler top to wear as the home they were staying in was warm all the time and she'd been too hot. Whilst in town I popped to boots as I wanted to get Dylan some jars of food and they insisted on buying them, they also got him some nappies, baby bath, sudo crem, nappy bags, bibs and biscuits.

I told them they really didn't need to buy all that stuff but they insisted they wanted to help out. (I was very grateful for this but also a little worried they would throw the gesture back in my face at a later date as they sometimes do this when they buy things for me. They say things like, I can't believe you're being like this when we bought you a,b and c, you're so ungrateful etc). Anyway, I think they just wanted to be proud grandparents and buy Dylan something as they'd missed out on all the earlier stuff.

My mum had also bought some food for him for dinner to try as she said it used to be my favourite and she wanted to see if he'd like it..

We went back to the holiday home, had a christmas drink (just the one) and had tea which was sheperds pie that they also cooked for us. Dh was giving Dylan his bottle when I first sat down to tea with them and it was at this point my mum asked about my brother which she'd agreed she wasn't going to do (the brother she was asking about has moved from the midlands to cornwall, bought a new house, got a new job and got married sice they stopped talking, I didn't want to give her this info as it is big news and not mine to tell, it's up to my bro to tell them if and when he gets in touch).

Anyway, she was like 'has he been made redundant? I heard on the news there were redundancies at his company, what is he doing now???' (I had already told her on 2 seperate occasions over the phone before we met up that he was fine and had not been made redundant)

I just said 'I don't want to talk about Tim, I don't want to tell you anything about him he might not want me to tell or might want to tell you himself' then she said 'i'm just asking about my youngest son that we're worried about'(in an agitated tone) and I said 'I've already told you he's fine, if you carry on asking about him we will just leave, we agreed not to talk about him'. After this she said somethin like 'ok, ok I shouldn't have said anything' and I said 'no, you shouldn't' then we carried on eating rather arkwardly for a while till Dh joined us.

After that they brought a present through from the back room for him, it was a ride on quad with a handle at the back so we can push him on it. My dad (who is a signmaker/banner maker) had put Dylans name on the front of it and he had also gone to the local bike shop and got an electrical horn/siren and attached it to the handle bar . Dylan loved it and they were happy to see he liked it so much. He did just keep wanting to spin the wheels on it though - this is his absolute favourite thing to do!

One thing I haven't mentioned yet is the way my mum kept on mentioning at regular intervils throughout the day that she really wanted us to visit them at their house with Dylan. I was irritated by this as it made me feel really pressured and it is very annoying when someone keeps asking you over and over again to promise something you can't/don't want to promise yet.

I stuck to the answer 'hopefully at some point' but she kept on asking anyway

She just kept slipping it in to the conversation in any way she could. For eg: 'we'll take the quad back to ours as you've said you don't have much more room for toys, you will come down with him soon won't you????, eh? eh?' and 'we will see him again before you've finished that tub of sudo crem we've bought won't we???' 'There's a lovely petting farm down near us, you will come down won't you?' and 'I would have liked to have seen it when he met santa, hopefully we will see it in person next year, won't we??? Can we do that? eh? eh?'.

Anyway, you get the general idea!

We packed the car up so we could relax for the last half hour or so before we left and then sat in the lounge area talking for a while.

It was around this point the 'blip' happened. My mum got out the presents (the one's she bought from Dylan to her and my dad ??!! and also some xmas cards for Dylan. She had written one for his 1st xmas 2007 and one for the xmas just gone . Although I know she missed his xmas's and it was sad I thought it a bit strange to give him cards for it now when it's already in the past but thats her.

Anyway, we read the cards and said they were nice and then she started asking me again about going to theirs, this time looking me in the eye and really trying to get me to say 'yes, I promise'. She was saying 'we are going to see you again soon aren't we, you will promise you're going to com down with him won't you? You are going to bring him to see us aren't you? Promise me, promise, eh, eh' at this point I couldn't bear it anymore. Although there is a posibility we will go down there to visit we didn't want to be pressured in to doing it, we wanted to do it in our own time, on our own terms...

Anyway, I just calmly said 'yeah, as long as you behave yourself'. This provoked a massive shakesperean over reaction from my mum. She knew what I meant by it but had to have her moment anyway. She started saying 'you're cruel' 'how could you say such a thing after all you've put us through' . My dad chipped in with 'you're cruel' also. I said 'i'm not cruel i'm just stating the truth, you know what I mean by it. I haven't put you through anything, I stopped talking to you because of your behaviour towards me'.

My mum stormed off upstairs for no reason other than to look dramatic then she came straight back down and started giving me the gult trip 'after everything we've done for you, we've brought you up the best we can and this is all we get, I can't believe it, we've tried to give you such a nice day'.

Somewhere around this point Dh decided we should follow through on our plan of leaving if things went pear shaped and he wasn't happy at all that my mum was once again trying to lay all the blame and guilt on me for a situation that was largly her fault. He stood up and said 'right, we're leaving' so we started getting our coats on.

I said 'we didn't come here for this, we came so you could meet Dylan, we don't want to argue'. My dad said 'can't you feel in the least bit sorry for us?' and I said 'yes, I can, I do feel very sorry for you, I think it's awful that you've missed out on Dylan because of this awful situation, I wish you hadn't. However, that does not mean that it is my fault, there were valid reasons we stopped talking'.

My mum then went and stood at the front door to get some 'fresh air' for a minute then came back and was ranting on again. She was saying 'i'm not a vicious person' and I said 'well you were vicious towards me, thats why this situation happened' she said 'you were vicious to me' and I replied 'maybe in response to you'.

I stated we needed to go for Dylan's bed time and my dad said 'yes, you said you were leaving now anyway didn't you' so My mum said bye to Dylan but then kept holding him whilst going on at Dh about what they'd been through etc etc. It seemed like she was just holding Dylan to buy herself some extra time , I am NOT happy with him being used as a pawn in her game. I said (agian calmly)'can you let go of my son please' and then Dh just took Dylan off her. I was trying to leave before anyone raised their voice as I didn't want him exposed to that environment.

She said to me 'I would never had treat my parents/pils like you have treat us' I replied 'this is a different situtaion, you can't compare, they never treat you like you have treat me. I would never treat Dylan the way you have treat me'.

We went to the door to leave and my mum hugged me to say bye, I was irritated by the situation and just said 'bye' and hugged her back. Then she said 'is that all I get?', I was just like 'yes, we're going now, I told you we didn't want to argue or talk about the past'. At this point my dad became annoyed with my mum for prolonging the 'heated discussion' and said to her 'Just shut up and leave it, you're ruining it, if Amy doesn't want you to talk to her then just shut up, thats good enough for me'. I was quite pleased that he had recognised that my mum can make these situations worse as she just won't let it drop.

We walked to the car and my dad shouted 'will you call in a few days?' and I said 'yes, we will'. Then, just as Dh was about to get in the car my mum ran back out saying 'you've forgotten your chocolates (just trying to get him to come back so she could say something else) so he went to get them and she said 'just think if this was your parents' to which dh replied 'this wouldn't be my parents, they wouldn't treat us as you have'. At this point my dad told my mum to 'leave it' again and then he asked Dh again 'will you call us?' and Dh said 'yes we will, bye' and we left.

I was sad that I didn't get to say goodbye to my dad properly because of my mum's amateur dramatics and neither did Dylan

Anyway, things calmed down, I sent a picture message to them of Dylan saying we know the day didn't end how we wanted but Dylan was happy to meet them and he had fun and we would call them in a few days.

Dh decided he was going to call instead of me for once to give me a 'mental break'. He called on wed night and my parents were actually really nice to him. My mum even appologised for her behaviour at the weekend, said she knew she took it too far and she was also sorry for asking about my brother and she wouldn't do it again . It is unheard of for her to appologise, my dad must have had a very stern word with her and told her she'd ruin it if she didn't start behaving. Dh also told them on the call Dylan took his first steps and they were very proud and happy.

I have since sent them more pics of Dylan when he was younger and a video of him at 4 hrs old. Mu mum called me last night to thanks me for the pics and managed to behave herself for the whole call, also a difficult task for her.

So that is where we are now. We've told them we might visit in the next month or so but will have to see when Dh is working. Mu mum said she's happy just to see him whenever is convenient even if it's every 6 months as it's quantitiy rather than quality, at least she's calmed down a bit.

Sorry if you're all asleep by now but thats the update anyway, not sure if all details of when things happened are exactly accurate but you get the general gist.

Hope everyone I haven't mentioned is well, speak soon x

Dalrymps · 16/01/2009 13:15

Oh god that was soooo long

x posted muppet and stefka.

muppet - sorry you've been feeling off, glad your feeling better today.

Stefka - Hi, hope your day is going ok

Les - Also meant to say, so sorry about your friend and as stefka said, I hope the treatment works x

2nd month of ttc for us at the mo, not sure we've been successfull again as we've been so stressed with my parents and the bank and travelling to p'boro that we've not managed to ahem, do it as often as we'd liked. Hope it has worked though. We're not going to try next month as the due date will be Dylan's 2nd birthday. I really want to but don't think it'd be fair on him. Sure it'll happen eventually.

Stefka · 16/01/2009 13:22

Wow sounds intense!! It's a shame it went wrong at the end but it does sound like there were a lot of positives in there too. Hopefully it is a step in the right direction for you all. How are you feeling about it now?

Dalrymps · 16/01/2009 13:27

Ok at the moment, I know my mum won't change but I just hope she can control herself when we meet up in the future. I'm glad they met Dylan, it's a but weight off my mind

LisaLessLumpy · 16/01/2009 14:40

WOW Dal, how long did it take you to type all that?

Sounds mostly a positive meet apart from the end, how are you feeling about it all? are you glad you met them?

LES - sorry to hear about your friend

I am feeling a bit better today. I didn't hear anything from my mum yesterday, do you think I should have called her? Mind you it was my nan's b'day yesterday too and I didn't call her in fact that is really bad of me, off to call her now.

Dalrymps · 16/01/2009 15:16

LLL - Too long! Feeling ok about it all. Glad I met them, more glad Dylan met them. It's going to take work but I hope we can make it run smoothly.

I meant to say in my last post 'it's a big weight off my mind, not but

Glad you're feeling better today, i'm sure your nan understands you were feeling sad, she'll be glad to hear from you

WhiteWineAndJaffaCakes · 16/01/2009 18:26

Dal - glad the day with your parents went generally ok. I think you coped really well with your mum's pressurising and outbursts. At least you have some kind of contact going and you're in control of it, and it sounds as though your dad is supporting you. Hope it works out for you and maybe your mum will calm down a bit if she knows she's not going to lose contact with Dylan.

Am running around like a frazzled hen at the moment - J2O I don't know how you cope being a single mum and having to do everything! Anya's been really clingy and upset today - I think it's more to do with her molars coming through than anything else. Means I've got a shedload of stuff to do when she's gone to bed (catch up with work admin, ironing, tidying up, etc). Luckily dh is starting to feel a bit better even if he can't do much yet - he's discovered he read the instructions wrong on his tablets - what he thought were stomach tablets were really strong painkillers and had "do not take with indigestion tablets" on the label - and guess what he's been doing... He's been feeling a bit better today since he realised. Men!

Stefka · 16/01/2009 19:22

What is Anya like when she is clingy? Dareh has been a real grump all day. Nothing seems to make him happy, wants to be carried around a lot and still won't eat properly. I am thinking it's a tooth - his front haven't come through yet.

Glad he noticed that about the meds!!!

CrochetDiva · 16/01/2009 20:32

Evening all,

Dal, I am so proud of you keeping your cool - I don't think I would have been able to!

Well done to your DH too!

have not taken in anything of what anybody else has said ... love to all - have a good weekend!

TheLadyEvenstar · 16/01/2009 20:50

Hi all
well went to the school this morning and spoke to ds1's teacher, told her what I had witnessed and what he had told me amidst the tears and sobbing last night. And that is that basically as all kids the class stand in a huddle at line up time before school and when Karl goes over they move away from him, if he tries to join in they tell him they didn't ask for his opinion so go away, The other day he was playing netball (i thought this was for girls well was when i was at school lol)and someone pulled his hood over his eyes pushed him to the floor and hit him on the head, so he went to the other court and another child started calling him nutter, retard, spassy and a load of other names. anyway teacher said she will keep an eye on things. Then at lunch time today he had forgotten to zip his trousers up after having a wee and so they all started saying things about him one of them saying "oh look Karl wants to shag nicole"

I am fuming over this and went to the deputy head who said she is going to talk to the others involved.

Anyway lovely ladies I must go for a coffee before i explode xxx

Stefka · 17/01/2009 08:04

That's just awful TLES - poor boy. I know Karl is probably too young to understand this but those people are probably just jealous or threatened by him in some way which is why they are acting the way they do. I just hope Karl can understand that it does not say a damn thing about him but it says a hell of a lot about the idiots that are doing this too him. Hope the school sorts it out.

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/01/2009 08:30

Stefka it has been going on now for years and always the school say they will deal with it, keep an eye on things etc and for a while it stops and then something will happen and it kicks off again. It has been worse for him this last week since the teacher announced his story was being published, I never put it down to anything and spend hours consoling him. I know he is far from perfect and does name call but things get really out of hand when an entire class (except 4 children) are picking on 1 child.
I will say this and hope it doesn't offend anyone, but he is out numbered in the class and stands out a mile. There is a lot of racism towards him but the one time he made a comment in retaliation he got in serious trouble. Last year I kept him off of school for almost a month after another child had attacked him for (nobody heard it being said) the simple reason Karl told him he had bought his shoes in Africa, the school said Karl had provoked the attack!!!!! and instigated it by making a comment like that which they saw as having an extremely strong racial undertone. It took a month for me to calm down!

I know he can be a little so and so, but we have been working hard on his behaviour at home and then out of the blue it all kicked off again and his behaviour has gone down hill again. One of the things that was said by the deputy to karl was "its time for you to toughen up".....why should he have to toughen up? why shouldn't the other kids learn to be nice???

I am going to have a coffee and calm down cos i now am wound up again! Sorry ladies for my rant!

Stefka · 17/01/2009 08:33

God that's awful. What about getting the press involved? Or PTA? Or your MP? Sounds like that school needs a bit of outside pressure to get their act together.

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/01/2009 08:40

stefka I simply take peace out of the fact he has until July and he leaves for secondary anyway. He is a bright boy although a bit of an attention seeker at times lol. And he is also strong, I have taught him that although these other children can and will say hurtful things they are the ones with the problem.

Oh on another note.....we are going to view a 3 bedroom house today which is £400 cheaper than the place we are in!!!

Stefka · 17/01/2009 09:02

I hope secondary is easier for him. I hated primary school myself but secondary was fine.

ohhh good luck with the house!!

FloriaTosca · 17/01/2009 14:17

I find it scary that bullying starts in primary school these days (didnt suffer myself until 13/14) but it always seems to be anyone who stands out from the crowd (noticably brighter or less bright than the average) who gets "picked" on ... my parents encouraged me never to let the bullies know how much they hurt me ( the old "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me" adage)and to believe it was their jealously that incited their cruelty...though I will admit learning to curb my own smart retorts to their initial jibes did save me a few thick lips. However the school should do more to stop petty jealousies in the first place.

Dalrymps · 17/01/2009 16:39

Les - it's awful your ds has to go through all that. I hope the school get there act together and keep an eye on things properly.

I think we'd better think of a new thread title soon ladies as this one's nearly full! Anyone got any ideas?

Well, i'm a bit confused about ttc today. My cycle is usually 28/29 days the least it has ever been is 26 days and that only happened the once.

I'm on day 21 today and noticed ealier today when I went to the toilet that i'd had a little bleed. I'm not sure what to think about that. Went back to the toilet a short while later and no more blood but cm was a bit streaky itkwim.(sorry tmi )

If i'm optomistic I suppose it could be an implantation bleed but isn't it too early for that? If i'm more realistic it might be my af starting very early? Anyone have any ideas? Haven't checked again since...

Hi to everyone I haven't mentioned, back soon x

WhiteWineAndJaffaCakes · 17/01/2009 16:46

Stefka - Anya just wants attention all the time if she's clingy - if I'm sitting down she wants to be sat on my knee, if I'm standing up she wants to be carried. If I leave her playing she'll fall over a toy or something, which wouldn't usually slow her down for a second, but she uses it as an excuse to burst into tears and sits on the floor wailing until I pick her up, then suddenly the tears mysteriously stop and she's happy and waggling her legs.

I think there are a huge percentage of adults who admit to being bullied or picked on at school - I was although it was never too bad - it's amazingly prevalent. Not that that makes it ok of course. I thought most schools had anti-bullying policies now and ways of dealing with it? Or is that secondary schools in the main?

Anya's been more settled today - probably because dh is up and about more. Plus I've dug out some toys that she got for Christmas but we put away because she had so many so she's not really seen before. I'm feeling quite smug - I'm getting loads done!

Stefka · 17/01/2009 16:57

Dareh has been just like that!! He's a bit better today. I can see a tooth that is almost through so it must have been hurting him.

Not sure what is going on there Dalry but keeping my fingers crossed for you! My period still hasn't come back which annoying me.

Dalrymps · 17/01/2009 17:25

Stefka - I hope it comes back soon too, when I cam off the depo (contraceptive injection) before Dylan it took 18 months before my af returned , was wondering if it would ever show up again, was a bit strange?!

Stefka · 17/01/2009 17:43

I've no one to blame but myself really - too much messing about with my food. Thought once my weight was back in the normal range it would just pop back though - that's what has always happened before but so far no sign.

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/01/2009 18:07

Thread title..

The Little Piggies chased the easter bunny?