June 2008: weaning with every flavour baby rice . . . . and loving it!

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new home!

Essie oh! I love the photo!

We didn't get the house we bid on so we're off to see more today and early next week. Eeek! Why did I think moving with two tots was a good idea. I'm sure it'll be fine in the end but it's definitely stressful now! I'm over the vomiting bug at least so I feel much better!

Fraser's 23 weeks now so I'm going to start weaning in earnest. I've just packed the boys (Cory (DH) and Duncan) off to the grocery store while Fraser naps and I've put carrots and parsnips on the list as Fraser-food!

We're having green poos with formula - did anyone else notice a change when they started to introduce a bit of formula to a breastfed baby? What was it like? I'm asking because I'm paranoid about not picking up on a mild milk allergy. I know Fraser's not as bad as Duncan, but I don't want to give him any dairy if it's not sitting well with him. (He's only getting a few ounces of formula a day on average).

deb oh no - I hope you're okay!

allnew don't you love (insert sarcasm) when you get unwanted advice from family? I tend to do (or at least pretend to do) the opposite of what my ILs say just on principle.

Amber if Luke is big enough to roll over then I believe he's big enough to not be at risk from SIDS. I had to adopt that view with Duncan (DS1) who did the same thing from about 4 months old. Please don't worry! He's a healthy baby and he's old enough that you can't stop him from rolling!

going43 hope your DD1 gets better soon and this turns out to be just a run of random illnesses. UTIs are nasty things (another reason to wish we were men).

systemsaddict what type of cup did you use? A kids cup with a handle??? Fraser's refusing the bottle so I need to try a cup I think!

Paro sorry you're getting such conflicting advice from HV. I think kids are pretty robust so as long as she gets some milk at some time of day (is it 500mL per day that they're supposed to get? I know it's 4 breastfeeds per day for a breastfed baby), I'm sure she'll thrive.

libralady please don't slink away! Just post when you can and don't worry about keeping up if it's too much. There's definitely times when I don't post for a week and then just jump back in without catching up. And I hope you're feeling okay about life in general. It is so overwhelming sometimes as a mum and we need all the support we can get. Please know that I can understand how you feel and that we're all struggling! Some of us are just more cheery on the surface.

Okay - that's all I can catch up with today! Sorry to everyone I've missed!

LL - don't go, I know it can be difficult to keep on tops of posts, but just do as much or little as you can to stay. We want to support you so don't feel you have to read everything to stay.

Jamie is 23 weeks next wednesday and as 24 is my weaning target I am planning to get some food in for him, butternut squash is on my list for this week as both previous babies loved it. Weaning is the only time we buy it, so it feels very odd to have it back on the shopping list!

I tend not to post on other threads. I do read AIBU but far too scared to post - same with weaning. Too hardcore for me!

Aberdeen, Esther had a green poo this morning, now you have made me think maybe it is to do with her having formula (follow-on stuff I put in food if I have no ebm). Not thought of that. Hopw it is not cow's milk allergy . Will continue to monitor it - she has a really really red bum at the moment and is really off her food (will only eat baby rice!). Weaning is very hard, they ate their lunch today but it is hard coming up to mealtimes worrying whether they are going to eat my lovingly prepared food or am I going to chuck it away again .

I think the nasty posters on other threads don't realise how hurtful they are, they think it is a laugh and just 'the MN way'.

Libra, just come on and skim or just look at the last two or three posts and respond to them. No need to read everything (we pretty much chunner on about nothing anyway!)

Hope everyone is having a good weekend, Libra, I think we all feel like that at times, sometimes I just come on and lurk, so hope you don't go completely.

Katyjo, love your weaning Mia on cake and mags! As for having to get into a swimming costume - eeek! - I sort of 'forgot' about that bit when I booked Waterbabies, but am not looking forward to exposing myself next week. Will also have to deforest, or otherwise I really will be scaring the kids...

B is really putting the grub away - he hasn't refused anything I've given him so far (pear, apple, parsnip, carrot, butternut squash, sweet potato, baby rice, banana). He laughs during mealtimes and squeals if I'm not going fast enough or when he's finished. After a good portion of carrot and parsnip for lunch, he got v cross until I mashed up some banana for him for 'afters.' He's chugging his milk still too (Paro, that advice you got sounds downright odd). Weaning experts, tell me, will he actually stop eating when he's full, because I just think he would go on and on at the moment?!!

DP back tomorrow, but he might have to go to Russia for 2 weeks in December and another 2 in January. Good moneywise, but I was looking forward to having a good few weeks together, as he wasn't supposed to be working at all.

paro have you thought about using a sniping site to bid for you on ebay (basically it checks in for you)?

hedgehog thanks for good wishes - its not getting any worse but its not actually clearling up which is downright odd.. I'm not sure how much longer it can go on (and I really don't want to end up going the surgery route..that would definitely indicate a no to me on b/f any future babies. And I'm back in April so ll they'll be quite a gang of us who are meant to b eworking but arelurking... good name for one of our future threads maybe [smile

amber/paro/neenz I know exactly what you mean re other threads - i think its ok to have definite opinions ..there are some posters (I"m thinking of one diehard working mum) who are very opinionated but never rude -however that isnot true for lots of people (see link below -on what planet did this person not think her post would be inflamatory)? What i'd say about that is it probably reflects the fact in RL there are a lot of stupid and rude people but its easier to avoid them than when you're putting yourself out in cyber space asking for help/advice from peers about something sensitive . I suppose its the good/bad thing about something about mumsnet is the anonymity - it can make you feel safe/enpowered in a good way to open up (eg on this thread or to all the lovely people who helped me here when I lost my baby) but that same anonymous nature also enables you to hide and unleash your inner bully.

mad link

paro I was diplomatic in what I posted not in what I said sat here ..and I've still not had a sensible fucking answer from any of the so called experts on taht thread about what is happening to me ... and your HV sounds a loon.

essie I am once again in awe of your handicraft skills.

Right no rolling action here (can do one side/or other but not tummy).... can't say I'm that worreid though -it'll happen in time. The shouting has to be heard to be believed though

sorry for anyone else just skimming and keeping half an eye on the shouting baby..

AH the cup was just a bog standard Tommee Tippee spouted cup with the lid taken off, so just a plain plastic beaker really.

Gosh that link really is inflammatory isn't it! What surprises me most is that the OP is so convinced she is doing everything right - I spend most of my parenting floundering round desperately hoping I get things near enough right that they won't be completely screwed up by age 21 ...

Poppy, that woman going on about nurseries was definitely just trying to stir it up. What proportion of kids are there 8-6 five days a week anyway? Very few. TBH I would feel sorry for any kid in nursery 8-6 five days a week too but it is just not that common. And I wouldn't start a thread on it cos it is none of my business what other people do with their kids!

Poppy - have you had any laser treatment? or is that the surgery you want to avoid? A friend here had laser treatment twice and it helped.

I rested yesterday, went to bed with Ethan in the afternoon, drank lots, fed lots and today it's so much better thank goodness. redness has gone and only slightly sore.

I think mine this time was due to me painting the other day, I was bending down and I remember thinking I was squashing my boob but I didn't do anything about it - oopsJust shows that whatever stage of bfeeding you still have to care for these boobs!

Hi everyone else

thanks systemsaddict I even have one (or three) of those!

Puree - how was the tparty? Did you pass round the paper writing down the most unusual places you'd used Tupperware? Oh, no, wrong sort of party

Morning glad you are feeling better debs and hope you are geting somewhere eventually too Poppy

All well here Fleur back to waking once a night for one feed anytime from 1am to 4am now that i can cope with!! Sorry to those still suffering but perserve it does go away!!

Poppy I read that thread and had to really stop myself from posting as in december Fleur will be going to Nusery 5 days a week Luckily only on Mon 8am to 3am and rest of days 8pm to 1pm but if DP got full time job at our school she would go every day til 4pm or 5pm.
Its necessary here as you only get 16wks maternity leave (more if you lucky or unlucky depends on how you look at my situation!!!) I remember Neenz i think it was said that she would earn just enough to cover childcare Well not same here childcare is cheap Fleurs hours will cost 200 pounds and full time would be bout 300. No childminding here at all not the done thing most spanish leave babies with their mothers though.
I really dont want to leave Fleur not cause i dont think she will be looked after but because i want her to myself!!!

Off out to lunch today with some friends so will catch up later Oh and thanks to all on posts re my HV yes a really loony actually she is a paed dont have HV here so think that makes it worse!!!

My son would happily go to nursery 24/7 if he could not that he doesn't like it at home but he loves playing with his friends and doing all the messy activities that are out for him constantly. Here we might do painting one day, go for a special walk the next; at nursery he can do painting, drawing, outside play, playing with goop, sand, water, home corner, dressing up, stories, computers, etc etc - all available every day - all with his friends he's known since as far back as he can remember. He adores it. I was dying to post this on the thread but didn't want to get involved!

Lots of others posted a similar message Systems so the point did get across. It sounds wonderful, I wish I could go to your son's nursery! How old is he? My SIL is going to put her son in nursery two days a week when he is one because she thinks it will be good for him socially etc. It is none of my business but I wonder how much a one year old gets out of it really? My niece is 18 months old and doesn't socialise, I wonder if they can at that age. She just plays alone, alongside other children (ie my two-year-old nephew). I don't think there is anything wrong with nursery, I just don't think it is particularly helpful for their social development at that age. I think I'd rather mine were with their doting granny (SIL's other childcare option) than a nursery nurse with other kids to look after.

I am so lucky that I only have to go back to work one day a week so hopefully granny will have my two.

Not a bad night for me. I gave them both a dream feed which i have never done before (usually just wait till they wake and feed them then) and Theo slept thru and Esther woke at 5.30 so not bad. And weaning is going much better now. They ate lots for breakfast and lunch. I think what I was doing wrong before was not putting enough ebm in with the food. So now I am putting loads of milk and loads of baby rice in with everything. I am trying cod again tonight. They both ate it fine the first time but then the next night they didn't. So fingers crossed. As I recall they both slept really well after they had cod.

Liam's 2 and 3 months Neenz, and I would say I noticed him and his peer group really becoming 'friends' and enjoying each other at about 1 and 3/4 - so a little bit older than 18 months - but these were mainly kids who had already been at nursery since before a year old, so I don't know if they start to socialise with other children earlier because of that?

Having said that I'm amazed how much Caitlin is already responding in a special way to her big brother, she giggles constantly at him, and I bet your two start playing together before they are 2, so I don't know; as usual I'm sure it depends on the situation.

hiya -Debno not yet but I'm going to ask about that when I see my consultant (who is actually very lovely - you do kind of feel on good terms when someone has lacned you that often ) -its just getting tedious carrying htis on

neenz/paro you're right she is being inflammatory and I'm afraid after red wine I rather injudiciously added my 2p worth.

Still enjoying the company of our little minx - a late nap and she thinks she can stay up as late as her big brother

quiet on here today..

Poppy looks like you had last post on that thread! Cant believe what the op said here

"But if your child is in a nursery FROM WHICH HE DOESN'T LEAVE THE GROUNDS very often for 50+ hours per week, then I will continue to feel that they're not having the best upbringing."

And what about people like me I really have no choice whatsoever in the fact that Fleur will be going to nursery and it rips me apart thinking of it, I know she will be ok but that is not the point

And im lucky that Dp is part time cause if he wasnt she would be there 50 + hours

paro yeah I did...not cos I've got a particular downer on sahm but cos threads like that are so hurtful to people with kids in nurseries (or whatever particular child care form is in target ) and I see red -its the judgemental nature of it (completley agree neenz op was looking for a reaction) - and fleur will be just fine -[and I can admit on here that it rips me apart too to think about going back to work but I know that we'll both get used to it).

Plus the op really got to me -get over yourself love with your sodding aquarium visits and soft play - all she needed to add was that she was setting up her own damned organic babyfood business/cake decorating thing in her kitchen and she'd have had the full set to make me blow (but on the plus side maybe the pressure would have got rid of my blocked duct )

Right militant poppy back in her box now...

Ohh, I liked militant poppy!
For what it's worth, Iestyn will be going to a nursery after Christmas. Childminders are hard to find, and although I had 1 offer, she's a smoker, and I figured he would be stuck indoors or in her house. The nursery is in a beautiful countryside setting, and is just fantastic. Be good for Iestyn to see and play with other children too.

HH Iestyn is on the smallest popper setting. So top popper into the lowest, and you can't see any unpoppered poppers. Iestyn is still not 13lb yet. But I think around 18lb you switch up a setting.

Paro yes please to your kind offer of bringing some funky pots. (Does this qualify as a tupperware party??) Unless they're hugely expensive - how much are they in £s?

I'm sure there were other things I wanted to say but I can't remember. Where is everybody?

evening all,

Have spent the day with MIL today as Tony had a scout 1st aid course so we kind of got railroaded into it as she booked him on it (different district although only 8 miles away)

Hasn't been too bad and the cats stayed away this time as well.

essie thought that was were Isaac should be popper wise but wasn't sure. Isaac is only 14lb 7oz at 20 weeks so not too much bigger than Iestyn.

I have been ignoring other threads - esp that nursery one - I really didn't want to go back to work and would so much rather be a SAHM, even looked into doing a MSc with the OU but have to go back now so am seeing a CM on Thurs as DH is off next week, Have gone with a CM as he is still only a baby and wanted him to have a homly setting, but will prob move him to a nursery once he is a little bit older although am not sure really yet.

can't think of anything else as it is so late now, so will sign off

I'm here, been out to English friends for lunch which made a nice change. Now supposed to be doing some shopping online for Christmas, ds2 is crying and shouting Mummy - I'm trying to ignore him. Why can't they shout Daddy sometimes?

Hi everyone, I'm back! Have just read the 4 pages or so that you've managed to get through since Thursday.

Can't remember all that I wanted to say but...

Paro I also might be interested in some pots. The round pots - did you say that they kept food warm?

Green poo - S's poo trauma continues. Basically at the start of last week he started pooing more regularly, then Thurs morning he had the green poo. Since then, we've been changing nappies about every 2 hours and everyone is dirty. Poor wee soul ended up with nappy rash, but started using metanium (sp?) and it's now clearing up.

LL hope you dont disappear!

Am knackered, so that's me for now!

bdq - did you have a good time? Sorry to hear the poo trauma continues.

HH - glad your day with mil went ok.

Not much to add here. I considered posting on the nursery thread, but thought I might never stop. Also OP so was sanctimonioud and smug, not sure she was genuinely interested in anyone elses opinion.

Militant Poppy - Come back!

HH - Ryder's just reached the 14lb mark too.

Hi BDQ - Did you have fun in London?

Absolutely knackered here, but Ryder doesn't seem to have any intention of going back to sleep.

As some of you may remember, my Mum has VERY advanced alzheimers. Effectively she no longer has any awareness of anyone or anything around her. Over the weekend, I've started to see her in Ryder and I'm finding it hard. I miss her.

I'm sure becoming a Mum has made me more sensitive and emotional.

PP So sorry to hear about your Mum, it must be really difficult. Having kids has def made me more emotional, dh often finds me crying at something on the tv.

had more to say, but Mia is complaining!