July 2008 - Rolling, rolling, rolling, our babies just keep on rolling!

[sweetkitty]

Sparkly new thread

Jodie that's beautiful, and so right. Disney you have given little Sam a life full of love and that's a life worth anything. Don't doubt yourself and what the power of a mums' love can achieve, we're here for you as always. So pleased to hear he's doing ok after your hospital trip. And his party sounds wonderful!

Jodie my ds1 sounds like yours- a great social life. And I've noticed the dip too now having 2, I am the last one of my "mum" friends to have a second child, and so as their second dc's are at least 9 months older than ds2 they seem to be doing different things- their littlies are walking and talking etc and I am still in the baby days so our lives are a bit different. But ds1 is booked into nursery for 3 days, (in reality he only goes 2 but I like to know that if I'm having a bad week there is a third day available!) and on the three days that he is home I make sure I try and have one "thing" planned. On the days when it is just me and ds2 I try and catch up on sleep and housework! As neither gets done really otherwise... so I really notice the difference between my first maternity leave and this one. No leisurely lunches with only a sleeping baby to worry about in the pub. No long shopping trips with a sleeping baby in the buggy. No long daytime tv marathons with just a sleeping baby to cuddle. Can you tell there is a theme here? LOUIS DOESN'T SLEEP AAAAAAARGH!

Been thinking about sticking some posters up locally to start a book group to get some adult conversation- you know, read the same book, pretend to talk about it for 10 mins, drink some wine and gossip, but have had such a poor response from friends that I've ended up thinking I am just the nerd I was at school still and everyone thinks I'm dull as anything! Funny how everything seems to knock your confidence when you're already feeling a bit, well, pants.

So virtual "there there" and a pat on the shoulder to everyone else feeling similar

good morning ladies
same here to with feeling isolated and theres deff not enough hours in the day
also still doing 3 hourly feeds even in the night isnt it amazing how you body adapts to being permanantly tired
thanks again for your kind words it really does help
well kind of back to normal here dh gone to work 2 boys at school
i could go back to sleep here but samuel seems to have this little hidden sensor if mummy is asleep il wake up
i seem to have been overloaded with washing and ironing
if you leave it a few days it piles up
mcchesers i hope the meds kick in and make for feel better not a nice feeling is it
anyone else feeling a bit low they say have a little walk about in the fresh air supposed to help (not sure how though)but its usually the last thing you want to do

as you know my dd is due soon shes 38 weeks she went to the mw yesterday and apparantly baby has stopped growing and shes measuring 31 weeks she has to wait 1 whole week for a growth scan
now i dont know anything about this did any of you have very small for dates

It's amazing how we all feel the same re the lonely and isolated bit, I'm not knocking anyone with one baby but it was so easy compared with a toddler and a baby, babies are so portable as someone else said long lunches with the baby as compared to "eat as quick as you can" child friendly places. I must admit I am getting a bit lazy I think I should take them for a walk get out a bit more but a) it's too cold and b) too much hassle with getting the pram sorted thats if DD2 decides to go in it then DD1 is walking or running away, was going to say it will probably be better next year when DD1 is 5 but then DD2 will be 3 1/2 and out the pram altogether argh!

Rough night last night, madam went from 7-11pm had a dreamfeed, then at 3am got up had a feed then kept rolling over and "singing" you know making the loud cooing noises, eventually got her back to sleep after an hour with another feed. Can someone please tell her Mummy loves her but not at 3am when she's wanting to play? Woke up and she had turned 180 in the bed too she won't stay in the one place very long.

disney - no advice re your DD but I think MWs have a habit of scaring women unnecessarily. My best friend is due in a week and last week the MW told her the baby hadn't engaged which is uncommon for a first pregnancy so she got her all worried about low lying placentas etc went for a scan everything is fine. But they estimated the babies weight at 8lbs 11ozs now they are saying he maybe too big for a VB

Disney-

Totally agree with everone in saying you are such a great mummy to Sam and all of your kids! Sam sounds like such a little star!
A big party for him sounds a fab idea and im sure hes going to love Disney.
All my problems seem so insignificant to yours!

re your DD- My friend was told her baby hadnt grown for 2 weeks so she was induced a week early. She was told that her baby would weigh about 5lbs but was born a healthy 6lbs.4ozs.

EEC- Welcome back

Sarahpo- Are you free for a meet up next week at all? Can you get into town?

Abigail was a monkey last night.. went to bed about 8.30, dreamfeed at 11. Then woke at 2.15 for a feed, then again at 5. then then took till 6 to go off again. Then woke again at 7! Feeling rather tired today.
Frustrating that shes waking lots again during the night as we had started to get a few 8-6's.
What I wouldnt give for a full nights sleep right now-!

i had a funny thought and thought il post and tell you
i had visions of everyone turning up to the party wearing name badges like
pigleychez and isaidno as we only know most people on here by there mn names

disney - I had the same thought! Won't be able to call anyone by a real life name - too confusing!!

Thanks for all your lovely supportive comments everyone. It really helps to have you all around when I'm feeling low. I obviously don't want you all to be miserable, but It really does seem to help a bit to know that I'm not alone. I will try and go for a walk this pm. Having no friends and family close is hard, and With a three month old and two much older it's hard to know how and who to make friends with. I feel I don't really fit into any category, and to be honest, I really just feel like shutting myself away anyway. I don't even like answering the phone any more. I don't have any of your problems Disney, but I know what you mean about feeling like shutting everyone else out - including DH.

Minkus - have also thought about a book group but don't really know anyone well enough to suggest it. Where would you put your notice up? (I don't think you are a nerd, obviously )

Disney - seems wierd that your DD has to wait a week for a scan - it would suggest to me that they are not overly concerned. Bump measurements are so imprecise - sending big fat healthy baby vibes to your DD.

Pigley - those nights are a drain aren't they? R is going through a phase of waking up at 4 ish and chatting and cooing for about an hour. He obviously thinks it's time to get up - I really don't know what to do about it. I have tried letting him sleep less during the day, but then he gets so exhausted and cranky I end up putting him to bed earlier and then he wakes up earlier still in the morning! I agree it is a lovely sound to listen to but not when you are desperately wanting to sleep!

Am extremely fed up with my MN name - it was only ever supposed to be temporary a sit is sooo boring ... one year later... Perhaps that's what I will try and think about in the small hours of the morning when R is awake!

Really paniced when I couldn't find you lot, have been a bad MNer and not been on in ages, just been enjoying the few moments I get to myself. P is a very demanding little thing when it comes to entertaining! I should be thankful that she sleeps well at night but she is on the go pretty much all day and won't nap for more than half hour at a time! Am going to try and catch up with posts while she is napping now. Read first page...not rolling yet but is trying, hates being on her front! She is only 13 1/2 weeks though so will probably be a couple more weeks. She can sit up unsupported though for a minute or two and jabbers away for England, think it is more likely she will talk before walking! She does try and sit up but gets very cross that she can't which just makes me and DH laugh!! Right must try and catch up...

Ok so now caught up!!

BF and periods...still BFing morning and night with formula top ups and FF through day, am starting to switch over but doing it gradually cutting out 1 BF feed at a time. No periods as yet but have had cramps and still ever so slight lochia which sort of comes and goes not sure if normal but feel ok. (sorry TMI) Had a letter requesting I go for a Smear test but not sure how long I am supposed to wait after giving birth or if I am supposed to wait until periods have returned?!!?

Weaning, am just hoping I will know whe P is ready, defo gonna take my lead from her. A friend has just started trying her baby on baby rice, he is 5 1/2 months. Think it depends on the baby, no one is the same, but I am not going to get into the debate.

Things I love about Phoebe:
*Her big dribbley gummy smile that lights up her face
*When she sticks her bottom lip out and looks grumpy
*Her big blue eyes
*The excited thrashing of legs and arms she does on the changing mat
*The look of bewilderment when I blow raspberries on her belly
*The cooing noises she makes at her toys and the cat
*The shrill excited giggling noise she makes
*The way she arches her back and stretches when you pick her up first thing in the morning
*The fact that she is still cute even when she is covered in poo!!!
*The contented milk covered face she has after a feed

Welcome back bebe glad to see syou sounding a bit more cheerful!

Rant alert beware......

Firstly Sam has decided it's so much fun to roll over, and then whinge to get me to put him back, that it's the game we've been playing all morning! ahhhh not condusive to getting things done, he's on his front in a split second now.....

Secondly, just got off phone to my usually very reasonable MIL, who has just told me that the reason I'm not giving Sam baby rice already is that I;m trying to hold onto him being a baby, and at this rate he'll still be in nappies at 10! He is getting hungrier, but it's during the day and is still sleeping through(ish) Luckily I get on with her so I told her to sod off, but she was obviously thinking it!

Rant over....

jodie had to laugh when you said hes over in a split second......
the great food weaning debate i get this of doctors etc.....and my hv
i have always done blw and im going to this time but at the same time giving him bits of my dinner like a taste here and there so i can get a feel of what he likes and ive never done the baby rice thing how can that taste nice.......
samuel dribbling and drooling everywhere now great big long lines of drool when you pick him up the dc,s think its disgusting
off to do the dinner now as dh is home tonight and thats rare
trouble is he always wants to snuggle up IYKWIM but when i have things on my mind like samuel i just cant be bothered
guess im going to have to have headache ;)

disney Not even going to go there on the weaning debate, just trying to point out that it's my choice when to wean, not hers! I want to hold out until at least 20 weeks, if not more but he's still only a dot! (was 13lbs at 17 weeks) Going to get high chair down tomorrow and put him at dinner table with us from now on, see how he likes that!

Jodie - B is the exact same over in a second the it's as if she doesn't know what to do once she's on her front. MIL's eh mine is quite diplomatic but did say I would be stopping THAT once she had teeth (that of course being BFing). My mother on the other hand used to love giving me her parenting advice she told me there was no way I could ever feed a big baby like DD2 by myself. She's of the 70's wean asap school of thought "when are you putting her onto REAL milk, we were told to put them on REAL milk at 3 months" Apparently I was weaned at 6 weeks and on tatties and mince at 8 (I was a 34 week [premmie too). I actually had a big argument with her one day as she tends to force feed babies, for eg shovelling every spoonful into them whether they like it or not, I hate it. Maybe why I am so BLWing.

disney - I agree baby rice is awful stuff. Erm relations whats that again, I've kind of put things on hold since pile-gate but need to kick start things again, DP hasn't mentioned it (much) but I know it's on his mind (he is a male afterall)

bebejones - hello and great to hear from you, you do sound more upbeat. Re the smear tests I have been told to wait 6 months after the birth as your cervix is still soft and recovering (who can blame it really). Don't know if thats true or not.

EEC - I could have written your first paragraph. All my old friends have toddlers at nursery and I haven't been to any baby groups so don't have any baby friends IYSWIM.

Just treated B to a new buggysnuggle as recommended on here, didn't like the look of the P&T sleeping bag thoguht it would be too warm with a snowsuit as well. I think she has outgrown the cocoon now and she is so noisy she doesn't like being flat anymore. Was thinking about it when I seen DD2 in her new Maclaren kind of reclined but upright at 3 months.

SK Sam is sitting up in the P&T now, he got too long to lie don let me know how you get on with the snuggle thing as I'm wondering what to buy for Sam.

Abigail isnt rolling over yet but has found her feet in the past few days and lays on her back holding her toes, so will prob be rolling soon enough.
Shes getting pretty strong now and is begining to sit for a few seconds unaided.

Bebe- Glad things are easier for you now. I to was told to wait 6mths for a smear as untill around then the hormones are still settling down and can give false readings.

Disney- we too have the long drool lines!

Jodie - I got it here buggysnuggle I got the pink stripey one I did want the pink faux fur one but a) having spent all that money on the P&T thought better of it and b) thought it might be a bit too warm

Someone on here said it was better than the P&T sleeping bag as the sleeping bag doesn't do all the way up and slips down and the buggysniggle doesn't plus it just looks nicer

Hello all, not been on for ages, just catching up!

Disney - huge hugs - I have so much respect for you. My petty moans and whinges pale compared to what you deal with - you are amazing and so is Samuel. Your posts have moved me so much, when you write about Sam and all the things you've done with/for him and what he's like...All my thoughts are with you. Hope all OK with your dd too. Oh and love the idea of a big party with MN name badges!!

Re feeling lonely - I'm so lucky as I still get together with my antenatal group (NCT) from first time - and three of us have just had our 2nd. It does me so much good to meet up with them - we have a laugh and a moan and they are lovely and encouraging. We're all so different and 2 years ago I thought I'd not much in common and maybe we'd drift apart - but we couldn;t do without each other now.

We had a great time in Cornwall - tho I felt like sending both dh and my Mum home on several occasions!! - mean as mum paid for it, but I remembered why I have said in the past I would never go in holiday with her again..!Anyway the place was gorgeous and dd1 loved it.

DD1 at Mum's all day today and staying overnight!! SHe is gorgeous and I adore her, but it has been nice having 'special baby time' with Florence - after all, I had that with dd1.

Things I love about Flo:
-her wobbly nodding head with big wide eyes when she sits in her Bumbo and watches us
-the way she breaks off mid feed and just lies there smiling up at me and going 'errrggg' softly
-how given half a chance she still will snog my chin when she's hungry
-when she gets really excited when she sees me as I lean over the crib - waves her arms and legs and does little squeaky pants and squeals
-how she sucks her left thumb and fiddles her hair with her right hand
-how she is fascinated by her big sister and watches her in awe
-the look of absolute serious concentration as she does a huge up-the-back poo!

Think she is teething as red cheeks and chomping on everything at the mo! She is trying to roll and can get half way.

Jodie it's a nightmare when they drop their nap - dd1 never has one now - just on the go from morning till night!

Minkus a book group sounds great, I'd love that - I'd come if I lived near you!!

Pigley / Sk - sending sleep vibes to your LOs...

Sorry big post and can't remember other posts I've read now! - but hope you all have had a good day.

I think im insane but have actually been having desperate longings to have another baby....am putting this down to raging hormones as P is only 3 months and given the current economic climate we would be totally raving mad to have another right now! But can't help but want to be pregnant again!!! Arrrrggghhh...and to think I moaned so much about being pregnant!! We were going to wait until she was at least 3 before trying for number 2, but now I'm thinking that it should be sooner, can't even bring my self to have relations yet but want another baby....what the hell is wrong with me?!?!?! Re smear, thought it was too soon, seem to remember doc saying something bout waiting 3 months, but think I want to wait til things feel 100% down there!! I know it is a necessary evil, but it's just a bit soon to have that done....ha and here's me going on about having another baby! Seriously I must be going nuts!!

bebe - I think that's quite normal. Just you wait until her first birthday when she's no longer a 'baby'!!!!

SK all ordered! can't wait to get it and get Sam all snuggly They look so nice, I would like one for myself to snuggle up in while I;m on MN!

ISaidno The BLW book came today, just about to go in the bath and start reading.

Purplejenny How bizarre, was thinking of you today and was going to FB you to see if you were OK! glad to see your doing OK.

Evening all,

DISNEY - glad you are out of hospital. I know it is awful and daunting what Sam has to go through but it is amazing that the surgeons can do it. A girl I used to work with DD recently had a similar op. She was born without fontanels and her brain was being squished - they opened the skull and put a metal plate in (for some reason they couldn't bone graft) and she made an excellent recovery - she is just 18 months old. My Dh had to have his face rebuilt after his accident and they went in through his upper gum and lifted his face off that way. Children are amazingly resiliant and I am a huge believer in positive vibes and shared thoughts - so we will all be sending them your way and holding you and all your family in our thoughts. I too believe that children choose you and when to come back into life's journey so all your kids are there to learn and to teach you too.xxx

EEC - have you been to the GPs re depression? Classic signs are shutting yourself away from everyone - including the phone, and lethargy. hugsxxx we just moved here a year and half ago and I am just gettin to know people now. I joined Netmums and met a Mummy in a similar position last week and this weekend I am going to meet a Mummy who moved nearby who is one of my old colleagues friends' daughter!! We have been emailing each other for about 9 months and are just going to meet up now. I'd speak to your Gp first as if you are suffering form depression you might find it too hard to make new friends just now - ie not feel like making an effort or polite conversation.

MINKUS - I would soo come to your book group too. I am a real bookworm and love a heated good debate not to mention a glass or 10 of vino.

I was up and down like a yo yo last night DD was staring at me over the bedside at 3.30am this morning - cuggle Mummy cuggle! She was at nursery today so I spent hours ulifting turf to get ready to plant a childbarrier hedge and planting shrubs I got going for £1.00 at the weekend. Also posted more items on ebay.

PURPLE - glad you had a good hol. Mummies and feeling lonely do seem to be a recurring theme here - shame we all didn't live near each other. Mind you we might not get on in RL

BEBE - perfectly normal - it is your mad woman hormones that do that to you. Even when you are fat, exhausted, look like shit, have no qulaity of life, no sex life, no money, no sleep, no communication with your partner your stupid hormones are still crying out - HAVE ANOTHER BABY GO ON GO On GO ON!!! Just ignore them - it will pass

Well must go as DD is in bed, Calvin is asleep in his cot and the blind man is about to terrify us with a quote for blinds for the conservatory. Nite allxx

Sending all you naughty non sleeping through babies sleepy vibes zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Chortle, now have visions of Bebe's hormones being like Mrs Doyle from Father Ted

Hi to Purplejenny, Good to see you back

Bebe- I too had the longings for another baby! It does pass, believe me!
Now she is more active and alert its soon made me realise that another so soon would be crazy!

DH is out tonight with work colleagues seeing the new James Bond then for dinner. Felt quite when he left.
Thankfully Abigails been a star tonight and went straight down to sleep with no fuss at all. She slept 6.3- -7.30, fed then straight to bed. Havent heard a peep since 8pm!- She says jinxing herself for another bad night!!

Just had a looong phone call from the MIL and now off to wrap some xmas prezzies.

Ooh thank you for the welcome back!

I'm giggling at rumpel's blind man!!! Didn't read the rest of the sentence and thought 'why would a blind man be terrifying rumpel?' God I'm stupid!

Isaidno about half way into that book, and question for you - today Sam stole a bit of tomato off DS1 and put it straight to his mouth and started sucking on it. I took it off him straight away, they talk about this being a sign (stealing food), but he is only 19 weeks, is it too early? Or will he not really get much out of the food ayway? and just offer him some stuff to explore (eg when we have our roast on sunday)? I know your not the expert, but your the only other one I know who's read it....

Maybe someone else can answer for me?

wow-you guys are so organised with xmas pressies already. i guess i better start thinking about it. i usually buy them all at Copenhagen airport . . .
i might have to make fudge of something this year - money is tight now and I am thinking of doing some freelancing.

going to baby cinema with dh to watch the bond film tomorrow! hope elodie is chilled. she was a rascal today and didn't really have her normal 2 hours lunchtime sleep but we feel asleep on the sofa between 3 and 4. its such a lovely thing - kipping with your baby . . . i am making the most.

SK - i love those buggy snuggles! may have to get one. wish i hadn't got the stupid footmuff for my pliko pramette - its kind of scratchy. but it gets so cold her, i could do the buggle snuggle and a footmuff. elodie is sometimes in her pram suits now.

is anyone still using their pram in pram mode? I have the pliko pramette as a stroller now but tried out the big-ass danish pram my friend gave me. its got loads of suspension and ridiciulous blow-up tires but one minute after i put her in it, she was asleep. I would be too, its like a padded bedroom on wheels . . .