July 2008 - Rolling, rolling, rolling, our babies just keep on rolling!

[sweetkitty]

Sparkly new thread

Hello all and welcome to newbies.

Have had a really stressful day today, Edward was constantly fighting sleep and napping for 15mins at a time. not enough for him. I am fighting a sick tired flu like virus - if I didn't know better I'd think I was pregnant!!!

Ed is otherwise fine - 16lb 1 oz today at 17 weeks. big boy!!! he has almost found his willy, was groping down there after his bath today. It wont be long, then there's no going back!!!

I would chill about the weaning issue. I weaned both my girls at 16-18 weeks, that was the advice back then, and they are fine, no allergies, good eaters and healthy. Not that I'm saying the new guidelines are wrong, but they are only GUIDELINES, and not set in stone. do what YOU feel is best for you and your child.

Having said that, it is such a faff starting weaning compared to breastfeeding, so that's a good reason to delay it as long as possible! you have to be organised and take stuff out with you rather than just you. and believe me, carrot and tomato DO NOT come out in the wash and will get everywhere. and don't get me started on the glue like properties of weetabix!!!

Oh no cass I soo forgot about the weetabix!! Not looking forwad to that, just got my walls back to normal from DS1!

My HV actually gave me god advice when I saw her last week (was asking her as Hunker had asked on another thread) and she said tha she doesn't recommend it before 6 months, but assesses each baby individually and gives 'advice' accordingly.

Sam was weighed last week and was 13lbs at 17 weeks, and has gone from 25th centile to 9th, (can't remember who said this had happened to them too) HV didn't seem too concerned though.

Sam has his las lot of jabs tomorrow DH taking him though, I have never taken either boys for any of the, just can't bare it I'm such a wuss!

HOW rude of me - welcome to the weird and wonderfu world of MN sarahpo...

Welcome sarahpo! I am not going to mention the w word...but must add that banana is surprisingly difficult to get out of clothes!

T Juice - I want to live in Copenhagen! Though I think I would go absolutely mad shopping wise. The baby clothes...the fabrics...the designers.... I also got big pram envy - some of those prams are like buses!!! Was having coffee upstairs in Illum and I could not believe the size of some of them! Love it how all the prams park up at the cafes...
DH has been offered work there but I can not imagine ever being able to speak the language.

Isaidno/boo - Rafferty went to the 25th percentile and the HV were worried. He then slipped to 9th and they wanted to monitor me. Never went back. My DD did the same.... The way they scare and frighten you, thankfully we have the experience now to not get too bothered but no wonder so many new Mums get stressed.
Rumpel used colic homoepathic rememdy, Raff had some good days and some bad days but around 3 months it got better...now it is his teeth. Are boys generally more whingey than girls? He is a smiley happy little thing or crying boy! No in between! But boy when he does laugh and smile... He has also been rolling for ages...soooo scary!
Off to watch Grey's Anatomy...sad I know...but we all have vices...

You know I do not have a clue which centile B is on and will only find out her weight on Monday will throw her on scales when she gets her jabs.

Neglected third born baby

I do know though the chubby thighs are getting chubbier (I love the little rolls of fat on the chubby thighs and the chubby cheeks) I also love:

• the giggles
• the way tonight she found out how to stick out her tongue at me
• the way if I cradle her a certain way she will try to latch on as she knows being held that way means food
• the softness of her wee hands now they are becoming more unravelled
• her knees have filled out and she's grown into her skin

Aww I've gone all soppy what does everyone else love about their newborns?

sleepycat - you wouldn't depress the thread! that's what its here for. and it is hard.

I can't believe that i am up and Elodie is asleep - but I had a horrible night. We sent all the scans and papers from the hospital here to a specialist in the UK and he confirms that Elodie should have a kidney removed. Its definitely in her best interests but somehow she is so healthy and vital - its seems weird that she needs this op! And I get this strange, taut feeling in my stomach and womb when I think about them operating on my little baby (I know, a bit weird!)

But on the other hand, the surgeon here is highly recommended too - one of the best in Europe (he just has zero people skills).

Anyway, sorry to depress the thread. I still haven't told any of my RL friends.
She is scheduled to have the op at the end of the month - its a one-day thing so shouldn't be too dramatic.

Cilc - sorry I was crap about getting back to you. I was trying to rally people I know with older kids (because I don't know much kiddy stuff . . .yet). Glad you enjoyed it. The whole city is pretty child-friendly in a way. You can get round easily on buses, trains and the metro and the culture is pretty open to kids

I don't speak the language either! I should be ashamed as I have lived her for so long, but I never thought I would stay and my jobs have always been in English (and Danes speak such excellent english and don't mind doing so)

I go to the Illum cafe quite a bit with my mum's group. We go to a different cafe every thursday - easier in the summer but there are quite a few that can accomodate all of us with kids and prams. There is also a huge cafe at the top of Magasin where you can take your pram. They love their big prams here - I am actually going to pick one up today that my friend is getting rid of. Did you find it strange that people leave their babies outside to sleep?

Anyway, sorry to bogart the thread . . .

want to add my soppy list too:

I love

• how she curls and funnels her top lip up all ready to feed
• this coy thing she does, where she laughs then buries her head in my shoulder
• her patting my face and grabbing my nose with her wet hands
• her low grumbly voice because she's fed up with her snotty, blocked nose when she's feeding

I love..
the way she sucks 2 fingers and fiddles her ear
how she snuggles into my neck when she's tired
the giggles
the way she's already learned to throw away the toys so someone comes and gives them back
the DS wanting to cuddle her up
breastfeeding her

I could go on!

Jodie - It's me who's baby has dropped to the 9th centile - I'm not worried, but if I was a first time mum the HV would have made me reach for the baby rice yesterday. My book about BLW came yesterday and it is very interesting, and makes me more sure I want to wait.

sleepycat - nice to hear from you; come more often! We don't mind grumpiness or despair - the thread is a good place to get things off your chest.

tjuice - I'm sure Elodie will be fine but I can completely understand how the idea of your baby having an operation makes you feel sick and weird.

I know this is wrong of me but I think it's SO CUTE when they are about to cry and they stick their bottom lip out as far as it will go and it starts to wobble, their eyes narrow and they go bright red in about 2 seconds. It's like watching someone acting how to exagerate crying. Of course I don't like them actually crying.

I know this is wrong of me but I think it's SO CUTE when they are about to cry and they stick their bottom lip out as far as it will go and it starts to wobble, their eyes narrow and they go bright red in about 2 seconds. It's like watching someone acting how to exagerate crying. Of course I don't like them actually crying.

tjuice, who is the person doin the op? have they said wats wrong with her? i find otu wat is goign to happen to leah on the 25th nov!

libra, i tink thats soo cute too

the best has ot be in BIG SMILE we get in the morning, LOVE IT!!!!

sk-cn u share ur list abt bf plz

Libra I totally agree...little Raff makes this little hiccup sound, juts out his bottom lip, lets it quiver and then scrunches up his cheeks and eyes...
I also love:

1. His smell especially in his little head
2. The way his hair tuffs up at the back after he has been sleeping
3. His gurgles and sighs
4. His flirty smiles, he looks at you, smiles and then tucks his head down, looks up again smiles/laughs and then tucks down...does this forever
5. His sucking mouth when he sleeps
6. His over excited reaction, almost hysterial with happines when he sees my boobs!!! Then, out of control he tries to latch on and squeals and grunts when he can't!

Must stop as I could go on forever...

TJuice - I can imagine you must feel sick with worry at the thought of such a little vunerable person having an op. Sounds like you are in good hands...

Isaidno - I have a copy of the bf baby weight charts which are quite different to the ones in the red book. But tbh I stopped weighing Raff ages ago at clinic, I just go by the clothes he keeps growing out of!

Sleepycat please feel free to say whatever you want - I think we all feel like you at times. Take care

I am off help at the school PTA cake stall... I can't beieve I have become one of these Mums!
xxx

Morning..good to see new faces..welcome!

Tjuice - sounds like it's a pretty quick procedure..but I would feel the same way if A had to have surgery. We'll all be here to hold your hand Big hugs to you both!

Not so much rolling front to back over here, but back to front for sure. DH has finally put together Aidan's cot so off he goes tonight in his big baby bed, but still in our room.

I know some of you ladies have opened up about feeling anxious and depressed. I've been ok but the last two/three weeks have felt like I've fallen into a manhole. The guy that expressed interest in our flat changed his mind after two viewings because it's on a main road?! People are starting to circle like vultures now and bidding 10k below asking price..well screw them. With the interest rate having dropped so low, my mortgage payment is well below rent for a two bed, so we're just going to make it comfier to live in until things change. Went to my GP yesterday to see about some tablets as I've been a horrible bitch lately and so depressed. She says she will get back to me after she does some research, but I am keen to start something as it takes so long to ramp up.

soppy list:

his little chubby legs
the sweet baby yawn sound
the giggles,babbles,and squeals
the way he nuzzles my neck when he is sleepy
so much more..boys are awesome!

samuel a teeny 12lb at 18 weeks

cilc yes i love his smell to i love to bury my head in his georgous long fluffy hair
i poke my tongue out he copies me

when we lie face to face in bed at night he puts his hand on my face for comfort then sleeps

i love his tiny feet

his chubby kness and double chin

the way he looks at me like im his whole world and he is truly mine too

i guess we all love our babies

tjuice can i ask why they want to remove her kidney and im with you so much on the feelings part been there and not finished yet elodie will be just fine and i cant get over just how beautifull she is i bet everyone tells you that
we are all for you honey at least this a good thread where we can have a shout moan and a good old cry
do you have lots of supprt there?how does your dh feel about it

afternoon all I love these soppy lists you could go on and on couldn't you?

mcchesers - poor you what a stressful time, I agree that if you can stay put then do so, it's a horrible time to be moving house. I know I am also suffering from depression right now (had it from my teens) but I am trying to stay away from meds as long as I can

Tjuice - poor you and poor little Elodie, I'm sure she will take it all in her stride it's us poor Mums that get it the worst I think, at least she is at an age where she won't remember and will be completely fine.

mum2leah - my list/guide thing is for birth and the first couple of weeks so we are well past it now, sorry I can't remember but does Leah have a problem with her kidneys too?

isaidno - you will have to share any gems for the BLW book, poor Annabel Karmel must be raging less people doing her recipes. Right enough theres nothing worse buying her book, going out and buying all the ingredients making the recipes, freezing them in little pots just for it to be spat at you and baby starting bawling (or is that just mine)?

sleepycat - hello and good to see you as everyone else has said this is the place to moan and whinge I'm sure I do enough for everyone some days

yeh, she does... i was told antenatally, was actually told alot of stuff...but she only has the kidney issue..

they dont actually know if she has a kidney on her right, there is just a MASSIVE black patch on scans...

i was talkin abotu ur birthfeedin list, as i knw sum1 who is goin to have a baby, and what u mentioned sounded awesome!

lol birthfeedin!!! i meant breastfeedin..sorry

cilc - could you do me a favour please? Look at your bf centile chart and see which centile 6.06kg at 20 weeks is for bf babies - just curious if it's much different.

sk - the book is very interesting; basically explains that weaning (1900 ish) used to be about 8 mths when a baby might be given a bone or hard crust of bread to chew on to start with - basically baby led weaning. At this time breastfeeding was main source of feeding before that. Then (about 1920) doctors etc decided babies should be fed on a strict routine - every 3 or 4 hours, only 20 minutes per breast. This obviously compromised supply so most mothers could not breastfeed past about 3 mths. So formula milks became popular, but were not actually very good - lots of babies failed to thrive partly due to illness as a result of poor hygiene re sterilisation. So doctors decided to give babies porridge etc. There were no official guidelines until 1974 (my birth year) when 4 mths became the recommended age.

I've only read the first part - will try not to bore everybody!

...'on the edge of post natal depression'. that is so accurate to how I also feel. but then I have a good day and all is ok again for a while.

it doesn't help that hubby and I are crap at the moment. not really spending much time with each other or communicating. He's either at work, helping with the kids, sleeping or out exercising. I feel so boring in comparison, as I am fat, unhealthy and lacking enthusiasm to do anything (other than play on the computer or watch mundane TV).

If you do get meds for PND then sertraline (lustral) is the best one if breastfeeding as it doesn't go into breast milk. counselling can also help. I'm avoiding the GP for now, will see how things go.

Have a facial booked tomorrow - 90mins of baby and child free bliss. Can't wait. Cass.

waTS THE BOOK CALLED?

isaidboo - that book sounds interesting. can you read it for me and summarise it here please! I don't seem able to read a book at present. (have taken nearly 2 months to read a book about the Congo, but nearly finished it.)

baby led weaning by gill rapley

cass - i promise to tell you anything interesting!

Its just taken me ages to catch up!! You miss a couple of days...!!

Things are really crap, my uncle has just been told he has very advanced cancer, so not much can be done. He has flipped and disappeared and wont speak to anyone, even his kids.

Jacks gums feel awful, lumps and bumps in about 5 places, no wonder he is grumpy. I started to wean him a while ago, was confident about it and he loved (still does) the food textures etc. but now i feel like im risking his health. My friend had such a go at me when she saw him having a 3 course meal. she reckons that i whimped out of breastfeeding and took the easy road to wean him early! (jack was taken to NICU when first born as he couldn't breathe. Dh gave him formula for first feed and he loved it so we stuck with it)

When he is now chowing down on beef casserole with a chunk of bread in one hand, i have to force myself to smile when he beams at me with a mouthful going mmm! Is it normal to look back on decisions you know where right but then worry 'what if'?

Im also terrible at getting J weighed!!! He has been slap bang on the average line!! I got him weighed religously, but last month my Dh let slip to health visitor how much j loves his food, she had a massive go at me and demanded a home visit as she was not happy about him being weaned. (i had previously been given all the info and the talk on weaning before i did it) So i haven't been back to get him weighed since. But he is eating fine, growing out of clothes and getting chubbier!

My list:

• love the smile in the morning when i go to get him

*The way he has a sarcastic smile when he has just finished having a poo!!

*Him grabbing the sponge in the bath to suck the life out of it

libra i love the bottom lip pout too!!!

Sorry for the very egocentric post, just felt like off loading all my bad stuff (you guys don't get as annoyed as dh does when i want to moan!)
Thank you!!!

Hello all,

Libra- Def agree about the little bottom lip!

Hope all those feeling down and depressed feel chirpier soon

Tjuice- for Elodie. If its going to help her then its for the best. Were all here for you

Smudge- Sorry to hear abot your Uncle. Hope he returns soon. Must be alot for him to get his head around.

My soppy list:

• Having our little chats!
• Her facial expressions
• That cheeky little grin
• The smiles after waking up
• The overdramtic way she put her hand over her face when shes tired.
• The little tongue that pokes out almost constantly!!
• Seeing her smile when DH come in from work- Daddys girl!

could go on forever!