July 2008 - Rolling, rolling, rolling, our babies just keep on rolling!

[sweetkitty]

Sparkly new thread

Thanks for all the thoughts on weaning, the thing is I agree that each parent should do what they think is right for their child, what I objected to was a health professional giving false information i.e. if a health professional knew Alex was in his own room I would expect them to say "well it's your decision but do you know the SIDS guidelines" not actually encourage me to put him in his own room. A health professional should give you all the correct current advice/facts out there and then leave you to make your decision.

SK - fighting? In your house or MN?

Fighting in my house I am like a referee in the middle of it, suppose I better get used to it can you imagine the teenage years?

Oh I like a good MN fight

DD2 is telling me to get off the pc so she can do virtual fireworks she's 2!!!

Weaning just seems to cause too many disagreements.

Grace is my first baby and i dont know what is right or wrong tbh cause there is always one group of people who say its ok to wean at 4 months or earlier and then another group who says no no no it will make ur baby ill and dont do it till they are 6 months even hvs contradict one another and leaves people like me completly confused and araid to wean incase i damage her.
Years ago it was ok to wean at 3months now its 6 months, maybe in a few years they will find something wrong with that too.

Poldra- I will soon be in same situation as you soon and feel i will be in a pradicament and will have to go back to work when Grace is 6 months and a part of me feels i want her weaned before then cause i also dont want someone else to do it and also would feel selfish if i did do it.
Its such a important milestone that i want to do it with Grace not someone else. I want to see the funny expressions on her face not someone else. If i have to i will hold work off for another month and struggle so i can wean her.

Does anyone know if its ok to give juice at 4 months or is that banned till 6 months too?

Smudge- i have read that teething can upset their sleeping.

Disney- Love to sam.

FWIW this is my opinion on the great weaning debate, when our grandparents were being weaned it was 9 months then came our parents generation and it came down to 3 months because (this is my belief) Heinz started making little jars of food and wanted to sell more so put from 3 months on them so people thought "well they have 3 months on them must be true" also around this time formula became big money but it wasn't as good as today so people were encouraged to give food earlier. If you think about it if everyone weans at 3 months the companies will sell more food than if they wait until 6 months. Current research says that babies have holes in their gut walls to allow milk to pass through more easily and somewhere BETWEEN 4-6 months these holes close up. Giving food before these holes close up might mean food gets trap in the gut and can be a cause of all sorts of allergies like coeliac disease. Theres no way of knowing when these holes close in individual babies without looking inside the gut hence the blanket better to wait until 6 months guidelines. Any sort of damage may not occur for years and years.

My opinion is weaning is a faff and why risk it better to wait until they are sitting in a highchair feeding themselves. But I certainly would not get really het up as a lot on MN do if people decide to wean early, we all do things differently, sleeping, eating, giving chocolate buttons, I honestly don't care when people wean their children but I believe everyone should know the dangers then choose.

I don't know why it is such a hot topic on here I really don't. I think you get slammed if you wean early slammed if you wait.

Hi Rumpel, no mostly its just a little winge, the only time there was a screech was when he got his legs caught through the bars of his cot (grobag and all!) We bought a bumper that goes all the way round, but he still had a little wimper last nt. The moment we reassure him (touch his face) he goes back to sleep!!!

Thanks for the heads up about hand, foot & mouth. Thres no sign of it but i will keep an eye on it.

hi all

elodie did 7 to 6 last night with no feed! (I can't even go that long without food!)

but it kind of buggered her up today though, because then she was up at 6 instead of 7 and all naps went pear because dh had late shift so we went to see Tropic Thunder at baby cinema. So she didn't eat well tonight and I put her down at 6.30 knackered. Wonder what will happen tonight.

Re. the great weaning debate - I think I should have looked into the weaning threads first actually. When I was last in the UK - I bought loads of different baby cereals and foods in advance and in the past week or so have tried a mouthful of baby rice/Hipp cereal on Elodie. She isn't very interested and didn't "eat" any of it anyway, but now I know more about the whole gut thing, I will wait the official 4 weeks until she is 26 weeks and maybe more if I can (as she was premature). Also thinking about the risk to her kidneys too . . .

But I don't understand why some people get so arsey about it all. Sharing timely and relevant information is a good idea and in the best interest of babies in general but is there any need to get all uppity about it?
So not cool . . .

Hi Again - JADEY I am very sorry if my comments made you feel bad or angry - I really diodn't mean to - that is why I said average as we are all individuals and have individual needs etc. Also I mentioned Calvin is a big boy so we might need to wean him earlier too as he is a hungry monkey I let him have a sook on a twirl the other night he loved it! It is a very hot topic and everyone does what they think is right - and as has been mentioned the research in future might prove something else. Sure we were told not to drink alcohol at all and now they are saying 1-2 units a week increases babies intellectual capabilities!!! Let's face we are all going to have to deal with dilemmas as parent's whether it is to let them walk to scholl themselves, go to the local disco, go to gigs, manage the stairs themselves - part and parcel of it. Whatever we do we are doomed to feel guilty at times . Anway hugs and don't let it get to you or get you down - it is soo not worth it. Life is too short and time is too precious.

Hello y'all,

Your babies are all doing so much! Sky has had a second bout of (mild) broncholitis - been hard work but is getting bit better now, I have reluctantly put him in his cot for the evening (that's both kids in cot/beds!) and they've been asleep for hour and half! Can hear them both coughing though , am checking every few mins!

He is big too - 15weeks and 17lb 15oz, tall too. Hadn't occurred to me to wean yet though tbh, he hasn't really got head control or trying to sit up or anything. Still seems v newborn! And yes, he only goes 2-3hrs stretches at night but we are co-sleeping so he just latches on, and I don't even have to get up. Last night seemed fantastic after the last few nights of pacing the floor with him screaming every hour... one of dh's colleagues said that's why they get ill, so you appreciate them when they are well

Rumpel- Nothing you said upset me so dont worry.

I just felt i was being jumped on by certain people and it kinda put me of coming onto this thread tbh
I came on here asking for people's advice about weaning as i was worried about Grace at the time cause for a week she had been a little off with her milk and i was worried she wasnt getting any nutrients and hvs didnt give a crap that my dd wasnt drinking her usual amount of milk cause her weight was ok. After a week of this and no reason why she was off her feeds i was getting very worried naturally.
I also just wanted peoples views on that matter without any paticular reason.
It felt like i was being condemned as if i was already giving Grace solids or was going to give her solids and i felt i had to devend myself which upset me.
I never said i was going to give her solids and if i did it would of been out of concern that she wasnt getting anything inside of her.
It wouldnt of being something i would of done lightly either only if i really had to.
Thankfully Grace is fine nw and has jumped from 4ozs to 6ozs and nw draining them in space of 2 weeks

I dont like to critise parents who wean their babies early if they feel its the right thing for their lo. At end of day they know better then anyone what is right and wrong for their babies.
I however feel upset when parents are made to feel like they are bad parents for weaning their babies early and i think no one has the right to judge them. At end of day i have spoke to some very upset parents who have had to deal with nasty comments from people for weaning early because their babies are just very hungry and now they are shit scared they have harmed their babies but at the time they did what they felt was right.
I dont agree with weaning early for a sake of a good night but some babies do need to be weaned at 3 months for being too hungry etc.

Im not having a go at anyone and i dont want anyone to think i am
I dont want to judge anyone on here.
I just get upset when people are made to feel bad for weaning early when they just felt they were doing right thing for their lo.

jadey Weaning seems to be a very emotive issue on MN (I have stopped looking on the specific threads now) Don't get upset, I can't recall anyone jumping down your throat, but sorry if any of us made you feel uncomfortable, I'm sure no one meant it really. (if Sam was like DS1 I wouldn't have hesitated giving him rice already, but as it is, I really can't be bothered, as SK said it's such a faff!)

One thing I've found on this thread is everyone is very respectful of each others choices and we'll only give advice as per our own experiences, so sorry that you felt that way. We aren't a bad bunch really.

Disney Glad to see you back! Hope it's all well and good in your house and Sam's recovering nicely. Wishing your daughter all the best!

The funniest thing happened here yesyerday morning.. I've been trying to teach DS1 to say 'banana' and not 'nana' so yesterday, after breakfast he asked fr a 'nana' I said, say it properly and he went (what sounded like) - 'yeah, Obama' Maybe he's a closet Democrat!

Oh dear; please don't let's all fall out on this thread! I think Rumpel was very right when she referred to "average" - how many babies are actually average? I think we should be able to state our opinions, but I would never want to upset anyone, so if I was one who did Jadey, then I'm sorry. On the other hand I don't want the thread to become all wishy-washy lovey-dovey better-not-say-what-I-think. I am happy to offer advice / opinions, but I'm not bothered if you think I'm talking crap and want to do it some other way!!

Poppy has relented on the hourly feeds after a couple of days when I seemed to constantly have my boobs out. Must get her weighed sometime...

Umlellala - nice to hear from you, sorry Sky's been poorly, hope he's well soon x

oooh, excited, excited! had another 6.45pm to 6am last night! then we snoozed until 7.15am.

(hope i haven't jinxed myself)

pity i messed around online until midnight. old habits die hard but my eye bags really need sleep . . .

Hello thought i would post on this thread as another MN-er kindly suggested. DS was born July11th this year my first baby but when he was six weeks we moved 90miles from home and i am feeling v. lonely. Is anyone in the West Sussex area?

Hello sarahpo - welcome to the thread - sorry I'm miles from you!!

Tjuice - got my fingers crossed for you with Elodie's sleeping!

Sarahpo- Me Me !! Im in West Sussex! Im in Crawley... what abouts are you!?

Sorry! In my excitement I forgot to say Hi and welcome!

Will catch with everyone in a bit when Abigails gone down for her nap

Hi pigleychez i am in Horsham! wow what are the chances of that? I don't know anyone here brand new to the town and feeling very sorry for myself when was your baby born?

PS my baby is called Patrick and he did roll, just the once last week! lovely its just lovely to see them change and develop i remember when i first tried to put a rattle in his hand and he just smacked himself in the face with it.

hi sarah and welcome to our mad thread we are a friendly bunch and i think all addicted MN etters
sorry miles away im afraid in boring ol gloucester

Hi disneystar nice to meet other virtual mums....Patrick is fast asleep he had his second jabs yesterday and he seems v. sleepy slept loads yesterday and having a good long nap today. MN is great...i was in the shower thinking 'wow a whole day is going to go by and i will not have spoken to another adult human being' i am not sure if i will ever get used to this...might start looking for jobs as mat pay is finished in March...

finally got Poppy weighed and she is a dainty 13lb 5oz at 20 weeks - about the 9th centile. HV expressed concern that she was on the 25th centile and suggested thinking about weaning. I'm not worried; she's hardly skin and bone so I'll think about it for about 6 weeks...

Where is everyone today?

Argh I have a sore head probably stress from MIL visit, she's not that bad only see her about once a month. B was a complete minx last night didn't go to sleep until we did about 10.30pm she was only up once though about 3, she is still loaded with the cold you can hear it when she feeds and she has a gunky eye again bless her.

isaidno - good for you some babies are just meant to be on the 9th centile and dainty. You summed up my thoughts on the great weaning debate, yes we all do it different but you are right we should be allowed to state our opinions on here too

sarahpo - hello and welcome to the thread, re feeling lonely have a chat to your HV about Baby groups, toddlers etc she may have some ideas also netmums is good to meet other mums in your area, some groups can be cliquey but go to a few see what ones you like the best. Word of warning mumsnet is VERY addictive!

Tjuice - on Elodie's sleep but a bit too

Umlellala - good to see you too hope Sky is feeling better soon too

My best friend who is due in 2 weeks was asking me what labour and birth is really like, you don't really want to tell her do you? I just said it's different for everyone and no two births are the same.

Sarahpo- Small world hey! If you ever wana meet up then just shout! I drive so can get to Horsham easily. Abigail was born on 24th July- Due date was the 12th but didnt fancy coming out and had to be evicted!

I too got Abigail weighed today. Shes 15 weeks old today and weighs 12lb 6ozs. She too is on the 25th centile line.

Questioned the HV about her feeding (or should that be lack of!) She said similiar to you SK. Some babies just dont need alot. Shes putting on weight,very alert and quite happily goes 3/4 hours between feeds on just 2 ozs! Odd child !

Tjuice- I too am of Elodies sleep. Abigail is regressed! Gone from awaking about 4am for a feed to every 3/4 hours!!! Not sure what I can to do to stop this.. she also now wakes at 10.55 for her 11pm dreamfeed.

SK- I see people in the streets now who are heavily pregnant and just thing to myself-- oh dear! If only you knew what was coming!

• Def worth it all though!!!

I was looking at pictures of DD1 and 2 as babies with MIL today. B is the spitting image of DD1 as a baby you could mistake them for twins. As B and DD1 were born 5 days short of each other they are the same age at the same time IYSWIM but DD1 is still in 0-3 month clothes in November although she has a much chubbier face than B but B must be a lot bigger than DD1 was as she weighs more and in bigger clothes. DD1 was 6lbs 3ozs born whilst B was 8lbs 5ozs. Poor DD2 just looks really chubby bless her. I have their weights all written down in their baby boxes must dig them out sometime. MIL hasn't seen the girls since September so saw a big change in B and was delighted when she was giggling at her.

I was seriously thinking of leaving DD2 at nursery today well anywhere really she would start an argument in an empty room right now. I cannot cope with her right now this is a typical DD2 momemt

DD2 Mummy can I have a drink of juice
me OK do you want apple jucie
DD2 no I don't want a drink of juice
me OK then
DD2 no I want a drink of apple juice
me do you want a drink or not yes or no
DD2 no
me OK
DD2 I WANT A DRINK OF JUICE

cue huge tantrum this happens at least every half hour during the day argh!!!!!!!!!!

sorry huge me me me post there

hi all
omg I don't come on for a few days and there's a new thread and the tone for a bit there seemed a bit STRESSED...[SAD]

CALM DOWN LADIES....We are all good mummies and wont do anything to harm our children if we can posibly help it

I know from lots of experience that advice does change over the years and ALL babies are different.....let's just respect our individual views and opinions and enjoy our lovely chats.....do I sound like the "older" mummy?

ds4 a little better....think it is probably post viral thing...
abbie doing great....20 weeks and 13lb 12oz...little princess xxxx