July 2008 - Rolling, rolling, rolling, our babies just keep on rolling!

[sweetkitty]

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rumpel i fell pregnant with samuel on my 40th birthday i know the date as my dh took me away to celebrate
even though i have 7 and samuel has a lot of problems i miss him inside me the bond you have with that unborn baby and the oh so specialness of it between you and your dp/dh
but im afraid i have to very realistic and he needs me 100% i just havnt got time now
i feel a bit saddened as thats it for me like end of an era really
but im so blessed with them all so incredibly lucky ,i know these feeling are just cos im a very maternal person and im 41 now.
im gonna leave it but i have made enquires and im going to train as a doula so in one way im always going to be connected to babies
i think a new life being born into this world is the most magical thing ever

bebejones - at your DH! Hope you have a nice day nonetheless.

Disney - presumably there is milk in the ready brek so he is getting a bit extra. How about mixing all his solids with milk to try and squeeze a few more ounces in? Just a thought.

Rumple - hooray! for the sleeping - v jealous - still twice a night here - but that's not too bad I suppose. At least he seems to have stopped the staying awake chatting at 3 in the morning for an hour or two! Regarding us 40ish mums - I have to say that this time round I did find the whole worry about DS etc much harder to deal with than the first two times (10 years ago!) but obviously it was worth it. I wnet to the feoatal medical centre in London and had the bloods and nuchal fold scan done to give me a better idea of my risk, and luckily for me my risk was 1 in 1800, so the rest of the pg was much easier to deal with - I don't know what I would have done exactly if the risks had been a lot higher. The pg itself was harder I think with my older body, but I have recovered just as easily as the last two times and R is just perfect. (finding the weight harder to shift though). I did also have a mc before this successful pg - which is hard to cope with, but the way I look at is that if I hadn't then R would not be here and he was the one that was meant to be born. By the way I hope relations went well

disney - at your mum. I have no words to describe how cross I feel! It is truly amazing what a great job you do...

isaidno - lucky you re the snip! i'm off for my coli fitting next week. grrr...

Coil - not coli

disney - you're amazing . . . loved your post.
as for your mum - that is just foul. that is negativity that you just don't need in your life.

EEC - i need to have my coil fitted too but have been putting it off. Just got tired of my nether regions being manhandled during the whole pregnancy and birth so don't want the whole stirrups experience right now!

rumple - congrats on proper sleep! now you just have to "resettle" yourself when you wake up in the early hours. did you HV say anything about iron drops too? mine recommends them from 6 months. we also have to give vitamin d drops every day for the first year.

i went out with some 'mum' friends for dinner last night, then left them to meet some other friends and went on to a couple of trendy bars. but weirdly, felt like a nightlife "tourist" - not really into it these days. ended up coming back at 1am, which would have been soooo early in my previous life.

snow has settled here today! its cold and clear - perfect scandi weather.

EEC yes i make all of his food with his baby milk ready brek and his custard so he gets as much milk as possible
when samuel breathes it takes a lot energy for him and you can see he really struggles its quite heartbreaking to watch this
so to drink a bottle is hard but for me to put food in him mouth is easier
i always offer his bottles of milk first everytime but he cries with hunger then i make his food with his milk
sometimes he sucks so hard as hes starving but stops takes a huge breath and goes quite blue especially round the lips and limp
ive always done blw but this time im having to go with whats easier for samuel
mcchesers hi hon how ya doin?
samuel got his mickey mouse baby grows on today im gonna put the picture on here tomorrow for you to see

Hello all,

Another good night here- 8pm to 2am then 5am then awake at 7.

Isaidno- hope DH is recovering ok.

Super chilly here today but Abigail looked very cute all snug in her snowsuit.

Our friends moved to Seville in Spain in March and we miss them loads! We have decided to go and visit them after xmas- sort of feb/march time and cant wait!
Been thinking of the logistic of it all now, ie feeding, buggys ect. Sounds hard work but really looking forward to it!.

To see some sun would be great as we didnt get a holiday this summer. Missing my holidays as the previous two years were Carribean and Thailand which were fab.

Hope everyones well and not snowed in!!

Evening all very very cold here too, sleepwise yesterday was a nightmare she had about an hour in total all day then went down at 8pm and woke up about 10 mins later whilst I was in the shower and that was her until gone 10pm, the child does not sleep! Today she's only had about 1 1/2 nap all day she's asleep for now.

pigley - definitely go to Spain it will be fine, buggy wise you can take them right up to the plane stairs and food wise you can always take some little jars/cereal with you and she will have toast and things there.

disney - could Sam not have a NG tube to help with his feeds, sorry I don't know that much about them but seems sad he is struggling to take his milk. Are we separated at birth your Mum sounds a bit like mine, she told me when I thought I was having a mc that it was probably for the best as no one has more than 2 DC these days.

EEC - lol @ coli fitting maybe thats the microbiologist in me. I feel the exact same way about B that if I hadn't had the mc then she wouldn't be here, she's my wee angel. I'm only 33 so not that old but have felt this pregnancy and birth has really taken it out of me, I'm constantly shattered.

isaidno - aww poor DH, I hope you are looking after him like a good wife as he has been through a trauma (nothing like giving birth of course )

pigley - B is addicted to the TV too she gets stroppy if you turn her away from it, I think we have the same Winnie the Pooh lightshow too somewhere must dig it out.

Morning all,

Completely amazed this morning to wake and see 4.15 on the clock! Abigail went down just after 8pm and slept all the way throught till then! I had to wake DH up to make sure he hadnt fed her without me realising. She fed and went back to sleep till 7.
Very impresed with that!
Thats the longest shes ever done as before she was doing 8-4 but with a dreamfeed a 11.
Happy mummy here!

DH is out paintballing today. Crazy as its bitterly cold and raining here. Had a small snow shower overnight night but nothing exciting.
No ideas when to expect him home- no doubt they will all pile in the pub after! Still Abigail and I have had a lovely play together this morning after a nice lay in till 10.30!!

Hope everyone having a good weekend

Well, after a couple of blips since my sing song post last week, logan has slept through for three nights now from 6pm to 5.30/6am.

Question, has anyone else's lo got really mottled skin - sometimes L gets blue patches on his feet especially, sometimes his arms and legs. Think it may be down to me having the air conditioning on too high (i.e. cold) and him underdressed or should i take him to the docs? Sorry to be asking this when you guys are freezing your arses off and I'm in 30 degree sunshine .

Just had a lovely dinner with a friend/work associate from back home - first time I've had someone here apart from Logan's godfather a couple of weeks ago - but someone who knows me well and i can really talk to.

Disney for you, how vile of your mother. You are so right about what makes a good mum.

Anyway, best go to bed. Night all.

Things went from bad to worse on Sat, was freezing cold then the boiler stopped working and tripped all the electric!!! AND DH wasn't here! Did all get sorted eventually but I was very cross at being left with all that to do when it wasn't my idea to invite his sister! We put P to bed that night on her own and went up an hour later and she was fine, might try it some more this week try and get her in the habit! She is a good baby really. She slept right through on Sat from 9.30pm til 8am Sunday when we woke her up!!!

Disney Shocked and appalled at ur mums comments. Big hugs. You are everything a mother should be you should be so very very proud of yourself.

It's my turn to go to docs today, have an evening appointment so DH can look after Phoebe. I have totally lost feeling in my left thumb and my arm is very numb all the way to my shoulder. Has gradually been getting worse for the past week, is now very difficult to even pick P up, am a bit worried TBH but hopefully they can sort it out. Doesn't hurt is just v uncomfortable and difficult to do things as I feel very uncoordinated. It's a bit like when you are drunk and you have to concentrate really hard to move your limbs...except it is just the one limb!!!

Where is everyone?? Its spookily quite here lately..

Is everyone Christmas shopping?

bebe - i had something similar recently and it was a trapped nerve in my shoulder - running all the way down to my fingers. Due to rocking and holding the baby . . .
i had some chiropractic sessions and stopped rocking to sleep and its got much better.

we've been at the hospital all day and are scheduled for the operation tomorrow, pending the test results from today . . . .

tjuice i know how you feel honey give elodie a big hug and kiss from me
its brought tears to my eyes i hate being in the position your in now with you lo in hospital just waiting im thinking of you all x
keep us posted and you know what your sure going to be suprised how quickly shes up and about again
pigley sure is quiet right now guess everyone is busy
its real cold here today do you agree bebe? seein g as we live near each other
hope all goes well with your numb arm like tjuice said could be where youve been picking the baby up if you just imagine how many times you have used that arm to rock ,cuddle feed etc..... probably overuse good luck at the gp,s

I'm still here

Tjuice - sending you and Elodie a great big hug for tomorrow x

bebe - hope the dr can fix your arm

Hello lovely ladies, Nate still sleeping in short bursts in the day so no time to get on and post. PND got a bit worse, trying to sort it out but will be back up North in 6 weeks so will feel a little better.
Quickly glanced at this page and saw that Elodie is unwell, I hope all is ok TJuice.
I just posted in breast feeding topic and thought I'd repeat it here as I value your opinion, hope you don't mind as I rarely get time to contribute any more.

My 18 week old son is exclusively breast fed and has steadily gained weight since birth, waking only once in the night following an 11pm dream feed. He would normally feed for 15 mins or so in the day, then occasionally want the other breast too. In the last 2 weeks he has been feeding less and fussing on the breast and rarely empties it. He now wakes 3 or 4 times in the night, sometimes I'm able to give him a dummy. His night feeds are all expressed, I do this at 8 and 11pm for the following evening, producing around 400ml, using 210ml at 7pm and 180ml at 11. The problem is, now that he seems to be demanding less, I'm not able to produce as much (sometimes only 60ml at 8 and 100ml at 11) and have run out of freezer stock. I think he is teething and may have some pain in his gums. I'm trying to relax and not stress but I'm worried they'll tell me to wean him next week as he's dropped significantly on the scale. I think he's too young but worry that I might be denying him.

I hope you're all doing well and I wish I could get on here more x

hi everyone, am back after ages . I just find it hard t keep up but will try harder! Suhayb is 19 weeks and HV says he is 'the picture of health' However its at a cost, always hungry, hard to settle at night and wakes at least twice! am jelous of all of u with babies sleeping through

Disneystar shocked at your mum, how horrible for you. hope things get better.

Hello all.
Haven't posted in a while but ahve been reading upn regularly! I agree pigleychez it is really quiet lately!!

Not much to report this end, Jack is wanting more texture to his food but am trying to keep him on puree, am so tempted to move him onto the stage 2 baby foods (im lazy so buy jars alot!!!) I know he could handle them but the jars say from 7 mths and he is only 5. I am gonna try and hold out, but at the mo he keeps wanting chunks of bread with his dinner! You wouldn't believe the look of bliss on his face when he sees the warburtons!

Tjuice- hope all goes well

tjuice - good luck for Elodie xxx

gilly - I would try giving nate boob, not ebm, at night. He will probably be able to get out more than you can express, and it will boost your supply anyway. It is completely normal for babies weight gain to slow down at 4 mths, especially bf babies. This is partly because they are generally using more energy by moving, being awake etc. As long as he is not losing weight then you are providing more calories than he needs. Remember that pureed veg and baby rice contain less calories than milk.

silversixpence - welcome back! Don't be too worried about the sleeping through - alot of the babies on this thread are erratic in that area!

All's fine here, expect DH has been signed off work for a week as he has excessive bruising and swelling as a result of the vasectomy. TMI - his bollocks look like 2 large satsumas ... Trying my best to be nice and sympathetic and not say I've given birth to 3 babies...

Silver- Isaidno's right. Abigail can go 8-4-7 one night then the next its 8,11,3,7.. Very unpredictable.

Tjuice- Thinking of you and Elodie tomorow xx

Isaidno- Oh dear! poor DH!

Sarahpo- If your Lurking about then im coming to Horsham on Wed if you fancied meeting up for a coffee?

Same old here in the pigley house... washing, tidying, cooking.. All the boring stuff!

Thanks for that mental picture isaidno - I love satsumas and they're just coming into season, but I'm not sure I'll be able to look at them in the same way

Need help on two points, ladies, neither to do with babies! First and most important, DD1 is having some terrible crying fits about death and people dying. We have not suffered any recent bereavements in the family so I don't know what has brought this on. I suspect she has seen a trailer for something on television (DH is not as careful as I would like with TV when the children are in the room). Tonight's upset was that she did not want her friends and family to die. I do not want to lie to her, but I want to reassure her too - any ideas?? She's nearly 5, BTW.

Secondly, and on a lighter note, when I was pg with Orlaith, I jokingly told DH that if she was a girl, he could get a male dog to even things up a little. He is now suggesting that we get a puppy for the girls!!! I do not tihnk we are ready for this, as the house is still needing work done to it and the garden is not secure. His argument is that this is the only time one of us will be at home for a long [period of time to settle a puppy in so we better do it now. I know I will end up doing all the work (he just signed himself up for an OU course, remember, so has no free time), including walking the damn thing, so I need reasons why we shouldn't do this please.

TJuice, love and hugs to Elodie for tomorrow

Hi all,

I agree it's been abit quiet recently, I know it takes all my effort to keep Sam entertained now, I only get time to do a bit of lurking then he wants something else!

Tjuice good luck tomorrow, keep us posted. And give her big kisses from the Jodie household! xxx

Disney at your mum, but I guess your used to it! good for you for taking your DC's out of the situation!

poledra, no advice hear really as I;m a big dog lover, but I agree that a new puppy would not be the best thing right now! Suggest to him the sumer when the weather starts getting better and you can potty train them while it's still light and warm for most of the day (visions of you huddled in a cold, damp, wet garden waiting for Puppy Poledra to do it's business!!!! ) Also he will be on holidays from his OU course (I presume they still have semesters?) Maybe by then he will have changed his mind and/or you'll feel abit better about it once Orlaith is 1.

Smudge go with what Jack wants, try him on bigger bits if you/he wants, see how he goes. Shouldn't really be having meat until 6 months though, so be careful with the ingredients on the older tins, but if I remember he's 6 months soon enough isn't he?

Isaidno sorry to hear your DH is suffering, I might show your post to my DH as he's threatening to have the snip, but I'm not so sure my baby making days are over yet! (he is though!)

Gilly there is a link a few pages back that purplejenny posted about the slow down of feeding in 4-5 month olds, you should read it, very interesting, I'll go back and find it for you......

I sat Sam in the highchair last night while we were having dinner and he happily gummed away at a piece of carrot, and today he had a piece of Cucumber, nothing got 'eaten' though, but it was nice to see him 'joining in' with meal times! I think he likes the coolness on his gums, he's been mr cranky pants today, and he's usually the most placid baby alive! He soon cheered up when he got a stick of cucumber though bless him!

Gilly read this here

Tjuice just had a trawl through the thread and read about Elodie. I really hope everything goes well tomorrow and she comes home healthier and happier, I'll be thinking of you.
Isaidno Unfortunately, Nate is taking very little at the breast, feeding for only 1 or 2 minutes before squirming and crying. I sometimes offer him the other breast, which he guzzles at hungrily, although I know he hasn't emptied the first so may be getting only the foremilk. Is the hindmilk a bit more effort to reach? I wonder if he is in pain with having to suckle that much harder? At least when I give him EBM, I know he's taking the whole lot. The reason I'm producing less at express times is due to the fact that he seems unwilling to demand during the day and I just don't know why when he has always fed so well. I'm so confused. If he needed to be weaned, surely he'd be demanding more, not less?

Gilly - as said, could you try feeding him yourself at night to boost supply and also he could take on a large proportion of his milk requirement in night feeds.

Also perhaps try and make sure that your breasts are emptied after daytime feeds - if he's not emptying, can you either put him back on the same side or maybe express after feeds just to make sure it's finished?

Know how you feel - we're having this at the mo - look back in the thread for lots of posts about distractible and wakeful 4-5 month olds who have got far better things to attend to in the day than boring eating!!

BTW Gilly, was it you who way way back on the antenatal threads said you had fibromyalgia?? I only ask because I was diagnosed with it some years ago, managed to recover, and have now relapsed quite badly - bit of a (literal) pain.

TJ really hope tomorrow goes ok for you and Elodie.

isaidno - your poor DH better not tell my DP about it he will be bent over

poledra - I have little experience with this DD1 has asked a few questions and talks about people being killed but I'm not sure she understands yet, she did ask about my Gran that she's named after and where was she, I said heaven and she asked if we could go visit her in heaven I think it's a natural development thing when they start to ask about death. Maybe theres a nice book that explains it, I would ask the question in the wider MN.

As for the puppy, my advice would be No not just now TBH. I know I could not cope with a puppy as well, we have 3 cats and they stress me out as it is. Think of it as anotehr thing to clean up crap after. Also puppies are high maintenance with the training/walking/chewing etc My DP has mentioned getting a dog and I was like no way like you I would be the one left to do 90% of the work. And as you say with your house and garden not finished. Tell him maybe in a few years when the DDs are older.

Silver - hello nice to see you, I have come to realise from being on here that there is no hard and fast rules re sleep. Breastfed/bottlefe or on solids it makes no difference to sleep. Some babies sleep through some don't. I have a lovely healthy girl and like others on here she's erratic in her sleep patterns too.

gilly - sorry to hear about your PND getting worse won't be long now until your back opp North though. Was going to ask about the EBM, why do you express? Is it so DH can feed DS to let you sleep? I agree with isaidno about popping him on the boob instead. I know after about 4 months your boobs start not to feel as full and sometimes especially at night you think you are giving them an empty boob but remember your body has got all the calories he needs. Remember HVs can only advise weaning they cannot tell you anything he's your baby and also they should be recommending 6 months now. Also at 4 months babies go through this too nosy to feed phase, there's a link further down, basically during the day they are too nosy to take a full feed so stock up at night instead, I know my DD is like this she bobs on and off and it's so frustrating as you know she will be hungry later.

Nothing new here the little rolling machine is asleep for now, she is the most nosy baby I have ever known she wants to be carried upright all the time so she can see whats going on, hates being on her back got to be in the middle of the family, that why she rolls over so much so she can see more.