Three spikes and they're out. Whose teeth will be next?

[Essie3]

Seeing as it's a quiet time...

Ooh, lots of time has passed since I posted and now I can't catch up. I've got a really bad cold and Iestyn has a cold, so we're both suffering and he's not sleeping. DH has been here (including an unscheduled night in the middle of my single parent 4 night stretch) but he's in a v. bad mood. Which is really fab, cause I'm in love with the world of course.

Anyhoo... I'm getting a Tripp Trapp chair for Christmas, I think. Well, not me, Iestyn, obviously. (I think it should be obvious...) Which did you go for Amber?
Sponge glad you're a cloth convert - which ones did you go for?
Others - Rolf good to see you back.

Oh, and on a spending note - I've just ordered my Lin&Leo ripoff lovely changing bag. It's reduced at Blooming Marvellous. (Go Penguin go!)

E woke at 5 ish for a feed,I fed him in bed and must have twisted my back, put him back in his cot, 10 minutes later my back's killing me and he started coughing, choking, sneezing, I picked him up - naked apart from my bra and he was sick all down me, in my bra and I could hear it dripping onto the carpet - what a lovely start to Sunday morning!

Back's still no better, really good news when we're in the midst of decorating a guest room for next weekend.

Essie - sorry to hear about your dh's grump is he any better?

Allnew - how was last night - did you try the side sleeping again?

Hedgehog - when we were in the UK last week, we caught a train heading for London that was packed, and we had no seats booked. We managed to find 3 for the 5 of us scattered through 1 carriage. I sat in a seat that was booked but no-one had arrived, then he turned up, it was a window seat and I was bfeeding - did he sit in the aisle seat - no don't be silly, he had to have his window seat. Wouldn't you have though he would have sat in the other seat until i'd finished?

Morning - not good re your back debs ouch, and what a start to Sun!Hope it eases soon

Well Fleur slept from 8pm to 5am last night with a dream feed so fingers crossed we are back to ourselves again

Essie - hello again, hope DH not grumpy today and nice bag, the trip trapp highchair came 2nd in mother/baby mag review this one came first

at those who went to baby show i read about a wouldve have loved to have gone these things are never in hols though are they

Well was just going to ask you all question bout poo!!! sorry but Fleur only goes every 4 /5 days and has to have a few attempts Is this ok? HV just gave me some fibre cereal and told me to give her some tablespoons of orange juice I thought citrus wasnt til 6 mths. Last time she went was Thurs and she is just going now again as i write this!!! Its just that she has had apple, pear and carrot since then where does she store it?!!!! Sorry if TMI!!!

paro A doesn't poo very often at all - probably once a week. I had been given lactulose at one point but don't really like giving him medication as I think once a week is fine (he's bf)

debs last night wasn't too bad, thanks for asking. He went off to sleep ok in his basket but wanted to stay in bed with me after his 1am feed, so I let him (needed the sleep myself!). DH let me have a lie-in as well which was nice. A is going into his cotbed tonight (should have gone in weeks ago!) so we'll see how that goes . Sorry to hear about your bad back - and the vom! Having a lo is so tough on your back, hope you feel better soon

rolf I'm in Manchester, where are you?

essie am v re. your bag!

Sybil Love the idea of centile burning!

Glasgow gals When are we meeting again.

Sorry better go, we are potty training and ds has gone walkabout!!

Forgot to put link to the one that came first best highchair according to motherbaby mag

Paro - Ethan only poos every so often but we're not weaning yet. How expensive is that high chair?

Allnew - glad you had a better night

Katyjo - good luck with the potty training - how old is your ds? It's not a stage I'll be looking forward to!

Back is still crap - going to get ds2 to walk on me

Busy week here with my parents visiting, so no time to get to the computer and catch up on the thread until today. I had hoped that having my parents here would mean more time to get some jobs done, but somehow all we managed to do was put a mobile up above Peter's changing mat. It looks nice though and distracts Peter when he is being dressed.

Deb thanks for the third of a birthday wishes. I thought of Ethan on Friday as I got the video camera out. I am going to try to follow your lead and take some video on the 17th of each month (for the first year at least). Pleased to hear that your trip to the UK was successful if rather busy. at the man on the train making you move when BF. Maybe you should have flashed your boobs around to try and embarass him

Sponge very impressed on the cloth nappies. Clearly those that have been using them since the start are supermums . I am having guilt trips about the disposables that we are using, but DH isn't interested in using reusables and so far I haven't had the determination to get started with reusables when he isn't on board.

I've had to catch up on too many posts to have anything coherent to say to anyone else at the moment. So please forgive me. I am feeling rather tired, Peter's sleeping has been a bit mixed this week, and I have a bit of a cold [pathetic emoticon].

The grump is better, thanks to all who asked! And Paro, Iestyn hadn't pooed since Tuesday, but he did one in the middle of the night last night, first time since he was newborn, and DH was taking him for the night and giving him a bottle of expressed... hehehehe!

Clothies - well, flattered to be called a supermum, but actually I'm poor stingy. I'm only doing it for the financial aspect, and the environmental one is a bonus! Ali, here's how I see it (I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else, this is just my reasoning for what it's worth. )

1. I've paid for them, they're birth to potty, and will do for Iestyn and all future children.
2. I wash them with Iestyn's whites, at 60. (I don't want to use 20 in order to fill a machine, and detergents are so good these days that there's no need to boil or anything.)
3. They don't smell, honest. And if there is a little whiff, it's no worse than a bin full of disposables.
4. They're as easy to use as disposables: you take it off, and put it in a bag/bin to take to the machine. When we used disposables at the beginning, we took them off, put them in a bin, then took the bin out.
5. Other benefits - no nappy rash, he's not wet or sore or anything, and they look much cuter.

Admittedly drying is a nuisance at the moment but if you live in the south it's easier (honest - I'm not being funny here!). And I may find them quite disturbing when we're in the real food scenario. I haven't bought disposables for 3 months now, which is a massive saving - is it around £40?? - and I will keep saving too! I use these ones.

Anyhow, after that unnecessary post...I ordered my bag and found that annoyingly I can't get 10% off as well as the discount. Never mind...it's only a credit crunch. Er, maybe it's the savings in nappies...!

Ali Iestyn's sleeping is abysmal at the moment too. It's annoying when it was ok previously!

Jamie poos 3 or 4 times a day. Big poos, poos that flood his nappy poos. No wonder the child isn't putting on weight, he is obviously pooing it all out before it touches the sides!

Thanks Essie, don't worry, not feeling lectured - in fact I agree with you on the merits for reusables...maybe, just maybe I will give it a go.

Neenz are you lurking these days? I saw you going into battle on a weaning thread. Very brave - go girl...

Sybil Peter shares a similar approach to Jamie when it comes to poos: big ones several times a day. Unlike Jamie he continues to put on weight. Last time I checked he had gone off the top of the centile chart . Maybe I could join the centile burners group too, except for the opposite reasons, or are you going to shun me and my big baby ?

Alli, all welcome to the great chart burning extravaganza. Hv can be just as frustrating to people who climb as those who fall. A friend of mine was told to give her 7 month old less milk because she was too heavy on the chart. She ignored her and her little girl is now as skinny as anything. They are evil I tell you, evil!

Agree with you re evil sybli evil and contradictory. Charts play a big part here too but they seem different to english ones!!!! hehe

yep that high chair is really expensive and Essie Fleur will be getting a highchair for xmas too.

Question re xmas: cause we are going to england for xmas we have limited luggage so no big toys for Fleur. I know she wont really understand opening anything but want her to have something, any one recommend a shop that sells small toys that are worth buying she has sooo many rattles and soft toys

Neenz if you are lurking as ali said Go girl totally agree with what you said on weaning thread,

Essie - got a Silver Cross chair - not wooden - plastic with trays and gadgets. I think they are meant to eat directly off the tray as it has compartments on it for different bits. Not too bothered about the baby eating at table with us as we never eat at the table anyway! I should start teachng him how to eat off a tray in front of the TV!

I am addicted to 'in the night garden' - what an enchanting little programme. I have it on now before Luke's bedtime so he goes to bed when they do. So cute.

Luke's sleeping is awful. Mark made him have a dream feed last night which he did take but he still tossed and turned from 4ish onwards. Finally settled at 6 and slept till 7. He's been doing this 3 nights now and I thought the dream feed would help (it didn't) but I think it's more to do with his increased mobility. Increased to the point he can move around, but not enought that he can roll on his side when he wants. Boo hoo. I'm shattered.

PS re centiles, had Luke's length measured and he is off the end of the chart. What centile does that make him ?

Hi everyone - sounds like all our babies are unsettled at night at the moment, we can all think of each other tonight when you hear those cries and look at the clock and think "oh, no, he can't have woken up already"

Alli - hope you had a good time with your parents, glad you're trying the video thing too. It was great showing them to ds1 and ds2 when I was pregnant - to forewarn them about babies!!

Essie - glad Grump's better

Paro - Early Leaning centre?

Sybil - I had a friend with 3 girls and with all of them the hv was concerned about their weight, but they were healthy - just skinny.

Amber - hope you have a better night

Grump had a bit of a relapse today, but he's better now. You'd think I was talking about Iestyn!
Ali try 1 nappy. You can get them secondhand on mumsnet. (I've become rather immune - I'm aware that that is totally disgusting in real life.) You can pick up a pop-in (!) at Waitrose. They're pricey but there's no faffing with wraps and stuff. And they work.

I think I might shun you and your big baby. Iestyn's 12.3 must be a distant memory for you and Peter. Hey - if you have small baby clothes you want to pass on...!!

Amber we have 2 dining tables and use neither...and balancing a tray, eating hot food whilst looking at a TV is a VERY important life skill! (In the night garden is lovely. All the rage, apparently. Iestyn prefers Deal or No Deal though.)

Hi to everyone else too. Deb maybe I will think of others when I have my third wake up of the night at 5am. Would make a change from groaning and the 'for god's sake SLEEP' business...

Off to see Neenz the warrior weaning princess now.

So it's official then: centile charts are nonsense: hurrah!

Deb - it was nice with my parents here. My Dad is such a worrier though. Last time he was here he told me how having a baby is such an overwhelming responsibility. It is, but telling me this at 7am after a bad night isn't really necessary. I do wish I could help him not to worry and enable him to enjoy his grandson.

Paro I really like that high chair, but I don't think I could stomach the expense. It would however go perfectly with our dining furniture which is white and orange 1960s groovy stuff: a hangover from when we lived in a loft and were footloose and fancy free...

DS and DH are both already asleep, so I had better go and get my head down too. I will think of you all tonight at 2.30, 3.30, 4.30, etc

Essie, Alex is also totally addicted to Deal or No Deal - at least that's what I tell myself when I turn it on and put my feet up with Alex for 45 mins of total insanity!

Cloth nappies - I've got a starter pack from Lollipop, some 2 part and some AIOs.

Deb, I am sooooooo disgusted at that bloke making you move on the train - ohmigod! I can't believe he had the nerve - I'm speechless.

Weaning, I've also been reading that weaning thread with Neenz and I'm totally confused . I was all ready to start Alex on solids this week (18 weeks today) - I have all the stuff and am getting a highchair on Tuesday - but then I read that thread and it's sent me into a complete spin. Is it really that bad for them to wean early? My head hurts .

Who's already weaned?

Signs for Alex are: he's upped his feeds from 5 to 6 a day, he's on hungry baby for every feed and takes 8 ozs per feed, he takes an enormous amount of interest in food and has tried to pull my food towards his mouth, he has slept through from 5 weeks but in the last 2 weeks has started waking at 4ish and last night woke at 12 midnight and 5.30am.

Can I ask a really stupid question - what's this tongue thrust reflex that everyone keeps talking about? I don't understand what I'm looking for .

Thoroughly confused and exhausted .

Hi, we were away again last week, and both me and B have had a rotten cold. We've had a couple of rough nights - I saw every hour last night, and he wanted to feed constantly. He wouldn't settle in his crib either, so I ended up sleeping with him on my chest. I won't complain about being up 'only' twice a night in future!

Katyjo and Laura - we're still meeting this Thursday aren't we? How about outside Debenhams? That's roughly in the middle of Silverburn, so we can decide where to go from there?

Do you all get LOs weighed? I haven't bothered since the HV stopped coming at 6 weeks. Occasionally I'll hold B on our bathroom scales and deduct my weight to get a rough idea of how heavy he is, but I can't really be bothered taking him to a clinic to get him weighed. Lazy mummy again....

Will try harder to keep up over the next week - hope everyone is ok.

Hi, we were away again last week, and both me and B have had a rotten cold. We've had a couple of rough nights - I saw every hour last night, and he wanted to feed constantly. He wouldn't settle in his crib either, so I ended up sleeping with him on my chest. I won't complain about being up 'only' twice a night in future!

Katyjo and Laura - we're still meeting this Thursday aren't we? How about outside Debenhams? That's roughly in the middle of Silverburn, so we can decide where to go from there?

Do you all get LOs weighed? I haven't bothered since the HV stopped coming at 6 weeks. Occasionally I'll hold B on our bathroom scales and deduct my weight to get a rough idea of how heavy he is, but I can't really be bothered taking him to a clinic to get him weighed. Lazy mummy again....

Will try harder to keep up over the next week - hope everyone is ok.

Hi, we were away again last week, and both me and B have had a rotten cold. We've had a couple of rough nights - I saw every hour last night, and he wanted to feed constantly. He wouldn't settle in his crib either, so I ended up sleeping with him on my chest. I won't complain about being up 'only' twice a night in future!

Katyjo and Laura - we're still meeting this Thursday aren't we? How about outside Debenhams? That's roughly in the middle of Silverburn, so we can decide where to go from there?

Do you all get LOs weighed? I haven't bothered since the HV stopped coming at 6 weeks. Occasionally I'll hold B on our bathroom scales and deduct my weight to get a rough idea of how heavy he is, but I can't really be bothered taking him to a clinic to get him weighed. Lazy mummy again....

Will try harder to keep up over the next week - hope everyone is ok.

Ooops, not sure what happened there....

Sponge - If I could still squirt milk on demand I would have got him in the eye!!! Unfortunately due to gravity pulling everything southwards my milk just seems to dribble. In my youth(early 30's) when I had ds1 and ds2 my boobs would squirt milk at dh at very opportune moments but not this time around - they just quietly dribble - boo hoo

I haven't weaned yet, ds1 was weaned at 4 months(the guidelines then) and ds2 a little later but I am in no rush. Ethan is still feeding about every 2 hours in the day and was sleeping through but isn't now, but I am still waiting a while - it is such a faff too!

Whinegums - I weigh Ethan in the same way!