Three spikes and they're out. Whose teeth will be next?

[Essie3]

Seeing as it's a quiet time...

Thanks purrepearls for being so nice to answer posts like having a real life guru!!

Fleur naps for an hour first thing in morning, 35 mins at about 11.30am
then again at about 2.30pm for 35min
and in afternoon she has a quick power nap at about 5.30pm here i dont let her sleep more than 35 min

She is on solids just started 3 times a day at 8am, 1pm aand 4.30pm
Thing is im not sure if sshe is having enoough milk etc and food!!!

Oh and last feed of day is about 10.30pm and no we dont wake her fully xx

and meaant 4.30pm ie sshe is napping now

Hi everyone - wow, it's a busy day here! Essie I loved your historical perspective on weaning. It makes so much more sense than the "some cultures didn't wean until 18 months" view.

Duncan is sick and woke up crying last night and woke Fraser too so we were up a ton. Fraser is sleeping better though, 8-2 last night aside from crying with his big brother. I know 8-2 is not so good compared with most LOs - is there anyone else on here who's baby has never slept through yet?

But I'm in a great mood because I think someone is going to buy my house They have made a tentative offer and we're just negotiating prices and entry dates right now. It looks like I could be moving before Christmas which would be perfect. Of course it could still all fall through... (and we're accepting 20% less than last years value).

Fingers crossed for you aberdeen

Paro, sounds like you're suffering serious sleep deprivation there, you poor thing .

Deb, no, never managed a day time nap in the cot - Alex sleeps anywhere (pram/bouncy chair/car/floor/sofa) and everywhere and sometimes not at all!

Essie, I have to say your frenemy sounds insufferable and I haven't even met the woman ! What a sanctimonious cow - like you I am really hoping that her baby doesn't take to bf and screams and hits her every time she tries to feed, and she can only express and it all ends in disaster and she has to ff. Sorry, that sounds so bitter but people like that make me so . I know I was sure I would bf when I was pg but I would never have been that bloody rude about other peoples' decisions.

And at the "new modern thing"! It's a "new modern thing" for the vast majority of women to survive childbirth and for the vast majority of infants to survive childhood. But, oh for the good old days, eh, when women regularly died in childbirth and thousands of infants never saw their fifth birthday because of illness and malnutrition. Oh, and those would all have been exclusively bf babies of course - didn't do them much f*cking good though did it?!!!!

And breathe!

Sorry, off my soapbox now!

You're right about the weaning thing though, although apparently during the war babies were weaned later so you can pick your history to prove your argument basically! (But that's the same for most historical arguments isn't it?! Sorry, can you tell I'm a political historian?!!).

at your SIL's steak and kidney pud at 5 days!

whinegums, welcome back and good luck with the freelance work.

Neenz, KWYM about lorry drivers - now I know why they overtake each on hills, cos it's so bloody hard to change gear when they slow down!

BDQ, thanks for letting us know about the AK friend with the good eaters. I've got a friend coming to stay in a couple of weeks who's 6 yr old DS is a fantastic eater - going to ask her for tips!

Deb, love the image of Stefan with his dummies!

Thanks for all the tips on using wipes - I was using water but I have my Pampers box so will make Essie's wipe dispenser (I don't get out much either?!).

AH, fingers crossed x

Oops, think my rant was a bit much, sorry . Can you tell I'm a bit still about not bf-ing?

Re: weaning cos of not sleeping through. P&P, I had also heard this was a sign, but then I know lots of people who have weaned 'early' because of waking and it hasn't made any difference to sleep.

The reason I ask is that Alex slept through from five weeks until about 3 wks ago. He now wakes up regular as clock work for a 3 o'clock feed and downs 7 ozs. However, during the day he's not feeding that much at all - still has five bottles but rarely finishes any of them now. So, is he 'ready' or not?

The reason I've chosen to wait til 6 mths to wean is cos we have alot of allergies and food intolerances in the family and I'm hoping waiting a little longer will protect Alex as much as possible, but not 100% convinced of this!

Interested to know what others think.

Aberdeen - Luke has never slept through the night. The night nanny claims he has a couple of times but I don't believe her.

Sadly I found the prostitutes thing really funny - I probably shouldn't

I put a bit of apple in my mesh thingy today and Luke went mad for it. I decided to make some apple mush to see if he liked it and he burst into floods of inconsolable tears when I put it into his mouth. Why do I bother?!!! Did use the Beaba baby cook though and it is brilliant!! Can't wait to do some more, the whole process took 5 mins and was perfect.

No, loved your rant, Sponge! I might start a 'wish my frenemy fails to bf' thread. (I need them witchy emoticons back!) Or I could bring her along to a London meet up so that we can all...stone her or something. Interesting about the wartime weaning, though. Why were they weaned later?

Sponge, Neenz, red alert on the wipes. In the bath today I was thinking about them (I know, don't even say it Sponge, someone take me out, PLEASE!). The pampers box works for me, but if you have flannels, is the hole big enough? They might not... dispense... Right, off to muse on that one.

Amber sounds like Luke is well up for the BLW - won't take puree, likes 'real' food!

Essie, hmm sounds like a great idea - maybe we can force feed her formula?!! It's such poison after all, should see her off !

Love the idea of the thread - start it on the bf forum, they'll enjoy that cos they're all so friendly to us evil formula feeders!!

I have wipes rather than flannels so the box should work - but yes, you really need to get out!

I can only guess the wartime weaning (if true, of course and not just hearsay!) was due to lack of food and rationing maybe? Bit hard to prepare purees in an air raid shelter!

Ta for welcome back Sponge - I never really went away, just didn't have anything to say! But v nice of you anyhoo.

Aberdeen, B has never slept through either. He usually woke twice a night for feeds and also needed some extra 'settling' on top of that. Best was a couple of nights when he went from about 11ish til about 5am. And then we both got cold, and he was up just about every hour for a couple of nights, and we're now at three times a night for feeding. It shall pass (I keep telling myself).

I got the No Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley, and I really like it - common sense, and gentle solutions. I'm trying some of them with B. I do think the dummy is part of our problem, he manages to spit them out through the bars of his crib, and needs one to settle again. I take 3 or 4 to bed with me, but I sometimes have to try and find them on the floor in the dark! I am sure it's not v hygienic, but I give them a quick sook and shove em back in...

nice to hear from you again then!

Paro-

I have been musing. Babyparo defo getting enough-but-not-too-much napping during the day, so perhaps you will be able to rejig sleep through feeding. I thought perhaps about pushing the teatime feed to say 5/5.30 then a feed at 6.30, so that she is fully tanked up before bed then when she feeds at 10.30 it keeps her going through. The other thing you could do is fully wake her at 10.30 feed to make sure she takes a full feed and also because if she is awake for a while then she might be more willing to sleep through.

It's probably worth trying one then the other to see which one works...that way you can work backwards, see what the problem is, and fix it!

Sponge- if he's taking such a large feed in the middle of the night, then ideally you need to find a way of upping what he has during the day to compensate. Probably the best thing would be to do the last feed very late, so if it's usually at 10, push it to 11, especially if you have to wake him anyway. Do that for a couple of days and see what happens....if he starts waking later for the middle-of-the-night feed, then try pushing him and bring the first feed of the day forward (6am if usually at 7am)

Aberdeen- keeping everything crossed for the move. I don't envy your stress levels

xxx

Forgot to say Neenz- pick whichever method you think might work with Esther!!!

Whinegums I saw some glow in the dark dummies here

AH - fingers crossed for the house sale

Sponge - I'm sorry you're still sad not to be bfeeding, if it's any consolation, after 3 boys mine are getting into quite a state, and when Ethan feeds a lot and they're quite empty I'm getting the deflated balloon look - lovely! Don't mean to be flippant I know that you always imagined that you would bfeed but it didn't work out for you, it doesn't make you a bad Mummy, you are a fantastic Mummy, just remember that.

Essie - love your historical viewpoint on things

Sponge, I'd suggest giving less than 7oz in the night if you can get away with it, so your LO is more hungry at the first feed of the day. Loved your rant by the way!!

P&P (still see you as makecakes!), the feeding is pretty much as you say for Esther (tea at 5pm then BF then bath then BF then bed). She was sleeping thru till we started getting strict with bedtime. She is getting more sleep 7-10pm than she used to which may be why she is waking in the night. She is very awake for her last feed cos she screams for it! But I am happy at the moment, I'd rather she went to bed at 7pm. She has 45-60mins nap in morning, 45-90mins at lunch at 20-30mins in afternoon (pretty much following GF routine, 3hrs ish between 7am and 7pm).

Hope the house move goes through Aberdeen. Amber I haven't had much success with apple on its own (or with baby rice) - too tart I think. They loved it mixed with parsnip and sweet potato tho (they love anything with sweet potato in it!)

Deb I just put mine in their sleeping bags during daytime naps so we have no tangling up issues!

Deb, thank you, that's really kind of you. Didn't take it as flippant. Just meant so much to me and went wrong so fast .

P&P, I have tried that but he really is totally uninterested in food during the day now - turns his head away or just holds the bottle in his mouth and smiles at me as if to say "you've got to be joking mum!"

Will try again when we're having a quiet day and see if that helps. Thank you x

Ooh, Neenz, cross posted! Glad you liked the rant!

Thanks for the suggestion, will try it. He wakes at 7am now but doesn't normally feed til 8am at the earliest, totally not bothered before that.

Would definitely try to cut down that night feed then Sponge! The problem will be trying to get him back to sleep after having less than he is used to (and obviously wants)

Hmm, think I'll tackle it when dh gets back from the States.

Talking of the States, I'm quite hoping Alex does have his night feed tonight so I can check out the US elections!! Knowing my luck this will be the one night he decides not to bother!

Yeah I was thinking of having a quick look if Esther wakes tonight. It is very exciting.

Go Obama! He rocks!

Folks who know - Alipalli I think? Iestyn is really snuffly, and seems to be coming down with a bit of a cold.
Saline drops were mentioned once I think. What do I do with them, how bad does he need to be, and do they work?

Knitting update - I've cast on now and done 2cm. This is good!

Speaking of people being missing, where's 5GoMad?

one day away and you all go mad.

Cannot keep up with everyone so select posting.

[grrr] at your frenemy essie please bring her to a London meet up

Congrats on the knitting as well

for all those whose little ones who are waking at the moment. I have no advice but am sending virtual cocoa to help

essie I have a vapourizer thing that plugs into a socket and dispenses saline kind of breath easy stuff, I put it on when he goes to bed and turn it off when we go and it seems to help his breathing.

Bad Mummy Alert - I needed to wash Isaacs play gym (lots of posseting recently) and was about to go out so bundled everything into the dryer and have now melted and ruined it

There is definately no way I'm going to be able to keep up.

Have you lot got nothing better to do?

Essie we've got a holiday place in a village called Penmachno near Betws-y-Coed.

Would love to live up there permanently but the jobs situation isn'r practical. Mind you if we won the lottery, we'd be there in a flash