June 2008- Some are sleeping, others weeping and some are just eating

[poppy34]

Thought I'd start the new thread using paro's suggestion

Hi all

S got an early night for once! Yay! Amazing how an extra half an hour makes all the difference.

Re those asking how weaning was going, DH and I have had second thoughts today and decided to postpone for a few weeks. Although I'm fairly sure she's ready the seeds of doubt have been sown. What sealed the deal was something I read in the Annabel Karmel book last night which said that weaning too early can double the risk of eczema, hayfever and asthma. As both my brothers had asthma as kids, and I had HORRIFIC eczema (now gone, but made my childhood totally miserable) and we all had bad hayfever, and we were all weaned at 12 weeks on baby rice and cow's milk (!) I fear there may be some connection (not that I'd ever tell my mum...). Storm has been fine tummy wise, but I have noticed she's been a little more mucusy on the days we fed her the rice, and I had v bad mucus also as a kid (sorry if TMI) so we're going to wait until she's four months plus now. She's only had three days of a few tsp of baby rice and EBM and was fine without it today, so we'll wait til her hunger ramps up a bit more.

Hoping you're all well. Will catch up properly tomorrow, but going to watch Blade Trinity with DH now. Night!

I suddenly realised how big Mia is getting, I popped her in Hamish's old activity station and she loved it. I can't believe how capable they get so quickly, she was a newborn only weeks ago and now she is playing away quite the thing - amazing little things! I get so preoccupied with feeding, sleeping etc I sometimes don't notice how amazing they really are!

BDQ Sorry your not going to be posting as much, you'll be missed. Email me on katy joanne at hotmail and I can let you know when we meet up again, I'm not sure how to CAT. S was adorable not screaming at all!

Aberdeen I'm sure your nights will improve soon, anytime I am struggling with lack of sleep I regularly recite 'its just a phase, it will pass' I know it doesn't help much but it sometimes kept me going insane when Hamish was waking up constantly.

aberdeen I meant from going insane, but maybe I am sometimes I'm not sure!

aberdeen I meant from going insane, but maybe I am sometimes I'm not sure!

hi guys. Sorry haven't posted for so long - have kind of lost the thread now and so I apologise if I haven't replied to any of those who replied to me last time.

TGF - I think you're making the right decision, fwiw. I weaned DS1 at 18 weeks and plan to do same with Caspar. Haven't had him weighed for a month, but a month ago (10 weeks) he was 11lb 3oz I think. Since my last post, had three nights on the trot of him sleeping from 11pm feed until 6.30/7. But then DS1 woke him one night while he was screaming for milk (which DH was refusing) at 4.30 and has set a new and unwelcome pattern. Am hoping he will gradually shift back.

Poppy, Fungle, Essie: Am amazed at how many had manual removal. I did also, with DS1, though not this time. I encountered no mention of this complication in NCT classes, books etc so was most taken aback when it happened.

Had nightmare day yesterday. Went to visit a friend at Tidworth garrison near Stonehenge, which is an hour's drive away. Timed it all perfectly and left hers just after 3 to miss rush hour traffic home. Caspar was due a feed around 4.30. On M3 discovered that exit to M25 eastbound was closed because of overturned lorry and so then sat in traffic for 2.5 hours. Caspar screaming in back then just going silent and looking around resignedly and sadly! Broke my heart but was on motorway so nothing I could do about it. Got home just before 7 so he had completely missed a feed. Needless to say paid the price last night...

TGF - if you are going to restart then here are some pointers I learned, don't bother with baby rice, tastless and very few calories, start with veg before fruit, I lived by my Annabel Karmel book aswell.

DEBS Sil is looking to take her 2 boys skiing have mentioned you, can you link me to your website again.

thanks for all the advice on sleeping, unfortunately Alex hated his grobag - he normally settles really well at night but when we put him in a grobag he cried and cried until dh took him out again and he fell asleep straight away! shame cos they're so cute!

i think he takes after me in that he likes to be cool at night and always sticks his feet out the bottom of the sheet before kicking it off altogether - i also always sleep with my feet out of the duvet no matter what the weather!

will have a look at different sleep suits

Stayed up watching Kate Garraway on other people's breastmilk. I leaked for most of the programme, so I guess I'm a candidate for cross feeding, wet nursing, whatever.
So finding the whole weaning conversation very foreign, really!

Sponge hope you find a solution. Iestyn seems to like his grobags and looks ever so cute in it - like a sort of little merman! I just bought a 2.5 tog one today for him.

Right, off to express as much as possible just in case I can post it to America at $10 a bottle. Got to top up that maternity pay somehow...

lol Essie - $10 a bottle

Mamawhizz - poor you sitting in the traffic with a hungry baby.

Sophie - thanks for the referral austrian family holidays

Nights have been getting worse here, have gone from E sleeping through until 6.00, to him waking at 5.00 then it was 4.00, then 3.00 and last night was 2.00, then 5.30 -

Hope everyone else is OK this morning.

Sponge - how about these velour sleepsuits, they would be warmer than cotton ones.

Katyjo - know what you mean about you being too busy to notice the changes taking place sometimes in our babies. I think this is very common with a 2nd, especially when the sibling is also a lo. With Ethan I'm reluctant to see the developments as he's my last baby and I don't want to see him growing up too fast!! But he is changing so much at the moment, and getting much stronger physically, life gets so hard when they're not where you left them!!

Thanks Deb will pass it on.

Right if any of you see me on her this morning kick me off, I have no rooms to clean, no ironing to do and a drawer full of receipts to plough through.

deb, thanks for the link - they're v cute!

Sorry your nights are so bad at the moment. Hope it's a phase that doesn't last too long .

5gomad, enjoy your book keeping!

Bad nights here too Deb. Isla has gone from doing quite well to really messing about at night. Goes down ok, but then last night woke at 10, only drank 1/2 oz, no amount of rousing could get her to drink any more. Then woke at 12, drank 4 oz. Then 3.30, drank 1/2 oz, then 5 wanted to get up, I managed to keep her in bed but not properly asleep until 6.20. HELP! Im so tired. I think if she wakes at 10 tonight I may just try a dummy, she musnt be hungry. What do you think? Hope its just a phase.....Thank god DD1 slept better last night.
Re manual removal of placenta, Essie, I only realised afterwards that they got it that way, I thought the sensation I could feel was pushing down from the outside, not hands up there! Must of still been off my head on drugs

yerk, manual removal.

email from Amber this morning that she also had a bad night so won't be at Debenhams. Must have been something in the air.

Hi girls I havent been on for ages can I be forgiven for post and not pre reading?! I have been thinking about you all and hope all is well.

I have had a bit of a rollercoaster hence not posting.

A couple of weeks ago Olivias misserable consultant told me she couldnt see I have to say Im really angry at the way she spoke to us and why she said it. Olivia had been sleeping, she got stripped woke up to a stranger who shoved a black and white puppet in her face and then said she isnt following she cant see I have battled back though and I know things arent as they should be BUT she CAN see light which means there is room for developement. Im in the throughs of making a light therapy room in what will be her bedroom, which socked her consultant and is now taking me more seriously.

We are weaning her off the medication which has caused some unusual movements but fortunately they are not fits.

Her reflux is just getting worse and its depressing getting yet more medication, but it wont stop till the tube goes. On getting rid of the tube we have discovered she spoon feeds liquid very well so we are starting to cup feed her, its a special bendy plastic scoop type cup so fingers crossed that goes well.

Physically she is doing well with movements, not normal but she moves which is a bonus isnt it!

It has been suggested to me that we apply to try and get use of the Childrens Hospice as there facilities are so good, which is a good idea but it doesnt have shrink your stomack that she maybe accepted as her life expectancy could be in jepordy.

I just wish she would start smiling and life some of my dark moments.

Anyway enough from me I will try and catch up at some point again please forgive the selfcentred post, luv 2u all xx

Josey, nice to hear from you, we had missed you. Sorry that you've had such a rollercoaster recently, again, I am amazed at your reslience and reslove (and Olivia's!) you keep blasting their expectations out of the water. Great news that Oli is cup feeding, hope it continues to go well!

BDQ don't worry we won't forget to invite you next time we meet up - Barnaby needs Struan there to help him balance out the girls!

Essie make your mind up - was your wedding in Devon or Dorset! About half the people at the one we were at were doctors, but not from Wales I don't think! Also watched the Kate Garraway programme, totally understood the point that a lot of the women were making, but I'm afraid it still made me feel a bit urrggh. (except for the expressing and giving it to the neonatal unti for Prems etc which didn't freak me out half as much!)

right, am still not dressed as C has managed to cover both of us in vomit twice already this morning - still better than yesterday when she had a massive vomit at Baby massage. She covered her entire (naked) self and the entire lower half of my (fully clothed) body - even my socks!

quick post -josey nice to hear from you -sounds like you're doing a great job with not much help from consultant..

laurat - on the positive side taht is quite a skill to that much vomit..clever charlotte..

having late morning myself as took while to settle madam last night.. contemplating dashing to shops before rain starts AGAIN.

Terrible night and the third in a row and I don't know how I will function if things continue like this. Not all baby's fault as I always seem to have half an ear awake and then wake up at the slightest thing. Last night was us trying to miss the dream feed. DP woke me up to tell me that he was fast asleep and then went to bed. He then woke up anyway just an hour later. Although DP fed huimn I still woke up and went to check him anyway. Then it continued from there. Still we fed him at 1am so he went from 7-1am asleep and 6.30 to 1am without a feed so he is capable. If only he'd do the six hours on the other side of the dream feed we'd be laughing.

All this talk of weaning has made me want to go and buy some baby rice to see what Luke would do if I tried to feed it to him. I think it's an itch i'll have to scratch unfortunately - if it all goes tits up I shall blame mumsnet for putting the idea in my head!!!

Josey - your light therapy room sounds amazing. It's something that Olivia has some vision - how is her hearing? I have seen a TV programme about the children's hospice facilities. They are astounding and the children there get such a benefit as do the parents. I understand what you mean about the word 'hospice' though. I hope Olivia smiles for her amazing mummy soon.

Terrible night here as well. A woke every 2 hours wanting a mammoth feed. Why can't he feed like this during the day?! Feel knackered again today, but on the positive side A is in a great mood and smiling away

mamawhizz what a nightmare about your journey home! It's terrible when they're crying and there's nothing you can do in the car

greenfairy sounds like you've made the right decision, and that info is very useful

josey good to hear from you. Our worries about silly things like sleep seem so trivial when you have so much going on. You are doing so well for Olivia

amber sympathies, hope tonight is better!

I'm another one who had a manual placenta removal - don't even want to think about how many hands up there!

go for the rice if you think it'd help amber.. or isn't there some kind of milk for night time (although that may have wheat in which I think is even more of a no no than rice)

allnewsorry to hear about your bad night..

mamawhizz...poor you -traffic and crying baby...sods law that would happen when you wanted to get back.

Have changed my littledippers class as didn't realise how far away it was (you'd think I would check this rather than take a mates vague explanations..) its about an hours drive so that'll be two hours each way - hope I'm not being too precious but that is a big chunk out of the next 6 weeks..have found alternative course nearer over the weekend so dh can come too.

amberwill bring you the dvd when we finally meet if you want a big cry in ..maybe swimming would help tire the little fella out

Poppy - have you been to a class yet? Looks scary! I wouldn't like to be chucked in the water!

Baby rice - Luke is NO WAY ready for it! Tried it out as I was bored and not one morsel went down his throat just straight out again. That'll teach me!

ambernot yet ..as I said was due to go but they cancelled and then I realised how bloody far away it was (teaches me for being vague about booking) - doing it at end of the month so will have dh to do the chucking in

wonder when you can start using all the stuff that sends em to sleep...having questioned dh that did seem to be a route with dss (who was luke like baby but if its any consolation it now takes dynamite to shift his arse out of bed aged 18)

but according to friends its well worth it as they do get very happy re swimming/hair wet/ducking their heads in - someone i know did it with one kid who is water baby but not other who is now v.timid so does pay off