'January 08 shiny new - year babies , Keep rolling , rolling , rolling !'

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psst ...Ange. Over 'ere...

It's not all about co-sleeping. It's more aboout naps and methods. It's been going since July. Well worth a read.

Gingeme - Well, that couldn't have been better, could it?

JKS - glad to hear LO apetite good. How's sleep?

Lucky - well done you!

Lilyloo - LOL slepp regression!

That toy looks brilliant Susie Poor Tamara doesn't get any new toys (grrr....space bar has stopped working half the time...makingtyping really difficult...) - she just gets the ones she has inherited fromher big brother

Trouble is that buying toys for 3yr olds is so much more fun

Can I ask you all a question?

Do you think your DC's can be manipulative? I think DD is very clever in that she will throw a tantrum (scream) if we don't let her have something she wants but when I posted this I was told that she's just being a normal baby and that they don't know how to be manipulative or have a temper.... If its not a temper what is it?

Lucky don't think so it's just frustration.

Gingeme wow bet that feels odd thinking of them travelling alone! Glad first day at school went well

JKS same here dd has all hand me down toys too! Although glad we got ELC as they have lasted for 3 dc's and still in fab condition.

Ange know what you mean i crap on lack of sleep too. But if it helps dd rubbish sleeper but has all naps in cot in day and also self settles too so am at loss what to do also. Have given up on reading books and sold my Gina Ford and Baby whisperer and no cry sleep on ebay

The number of times DH and I say, 'Well, we'll need it for the next one.'

Does anyone give their baby dinner after the bath? We're considering changing Sabela's routine because she was getting overtired by bathtime.

We used to do
Dinner
Quiet play (digestion)
Bath
Breast Feed
Bed.

We're considering changing it to
Bath
Dinner
Quiet play
Breast feed
Bed.

Hi Guys!! I am back and am VERY glad to be back too.

The whole point of going over was for DD to meet her new family and she was pretty much ignored and DS was made a big fuss over with all the relatives going on about him being the favourite. WTF!!?!

DD refused to go through the night and the most sleep I got in a row was 4/5 hours. I was sharing a room with her too so not fun.

All the fuss over car seats and it was not sorted, even DH was peed off. They expected DS to go in car with no car seat or anything. He had no bed sorted when we got there as MIL's bungalow tiny and I was being "difficult" by not wanting the DCs in the same room.Even if DS had slept in front room as kitchen got comfy chairs TV etc, but no not allowed. She had bought a camp bed for him which was good of her but we had to put it up with DS tired/wingeing etc late at night.The BIL visits every day he could have done it. No food got in for DS's tea or anything. Had to ask neighbour if they had baked beans.

The christening was nice but DH's relatives refused to hold DD saying I spoil her and she just whinges all the time.

I can't remember who it was a few weeks ago went to stay with parents or in laws and they had loads of ornaments. DS broke MIL's favourite ornament of a dolphin. DD was kicking off at the time and I missed him picking it up. We never heard the end of it!!!

Oh well am back now!! Lets hope DD's sleep settles down. She is teething big time too bless her and seems to be in pain but can't see any teeth yet.

BTW DD not sitting, talking or crawling yet although she is trying to.

LaT - I don't even bath DD every night (bad mummy!!) But she would have dinner before bath to clean food off her. Then she has a bottle in dark in her room before bum hits mattress. Sometimes she is over tired and refuses bottle then I may rouse her slightly 30mins later. Bit like a dream feed and she sleeps through it and usually finishes bottle.

Could you not do:

Dinner
Bath
Quiet play
BF
Bed

Welcome back simpson - Sorry it was soo poo but its over now.

DD's routine is dinner (sometimes bath) bottle in bed and sleep.

Hi Simpson!

That sounds miserable. Sorry they were so unaccomodating. I hate the idea you can spoil such a small baby. And refusing to hold her is just offensive. If the ornament was so damn important she should have put it in a drawer!

DH insists on at least an hour and a half's digestion of dinner before bath (it's a Spanish thing and it's not negotiable. I get my way with a lot of things with the baby, but not this), so this is precisely the problem we have now that we're trying to solve.

LaT - what time does she have tea? Could you bring it forward slightly? You may find she has a bigger BF before bed though

Hi Simpson...

Had a look at that thread LaT - feel even more guilty for moaning as some people have babies same age or older and still not even getting evenings back etc. At least DS sleeps all evening even during this off phase.

DH tried to put DS to bed tonight - cue angry wails, but as I said to him it won't be forever - before we know it he'll be toddling off to bed, DH can read him a story and tuck him in and he'll sleep all night...... Right??

Susie - we give Tamara a 30 min "power nap" before dinner and bath...so we have:

3.30pm wake up, 70z milk

5.30pm down for nap

6pm dinner

6.30pm bath/story etc with ds

7.15pm bottle

Maybe you could swap dinner and the nap around? It wouldn't give you 1.5 hours but potentially about an hour if you got her up,played a bit then did bath followed by milk and bed? Tbh, 1.5 hours sounds a bit excessive - maybe you could compromise on 45mins-1 hour,especially since Sabela is still not sleeping so brilliantly and maybe needs food a bit closer to bedtime?

Alternatively, my mother was always a big believer in daytime baths...

La T we do tea time 4.30 5.00 or so then bottle at 6.30-6.45 then bath every other night bed by 7 seems to work well here

well, got laptop working (for now)...dunno what's up.

ds2 has been in bf strike today
he was weird yesterday, fed at 6pm, then not at bedtime, but went to bed fine. up at 4 but wouldn't feed, went back to sleep (after chatting to himself for a bit!), then would NOT feed all day!
ended up expressing both sides, dh gave him a bottle this afternoon, i gave him a bottle at bedtime, then he screamed, so i offered him the breast again, more screaming, me in tears thinking this was it, then he fed and went to sleep
what was going on????
will have to wait and see tomorrow...

good news - he will take a bottle no probs, and from me & he will go to sleep for the night without me feeding him

simpson - argh on your behalf! don't go back in a hurry!

um, that will have to do for now, sorry for missing most of you out!

Could it be teething JKS? Not at all sure but hope he's back to his old self tomorrow. A sneaky little part of me wishes Sabela woul djust decide not to but ~I don't think it's on the cards.

Hmm. I'll have to ponder the routine. Is there any reason why she can't have dinner after her bath? The only problem has been that she doesn't like her bath at the moment. We thought it was because she was too tired for it. I think we'll just drop the bath - which we have done the past few nights with no protests - and I'll bath her in the morning instead. I think it's good for her to eat later.

Filly - Our routine if very similar to yours. I thought 1.5 was excessive too but two times when I haven't waited that long she has actually brought up food. One time she was completely sick, the other time just a little bit and I hid it from dH but I KNEW!

Simpson sorry it wasn't much fun but at least your back.

LaT we do bath just before bed every night as part of her bedtime routine but don't see why it couldn't be before dinner.

DD a bit off bf too at the mo but not at night time

LaT - i don't think so, as he has the first 8 teeth properly through, and hope he isn't getting molars already!!
he is still dribbling and chewing tho.
plus he was happy to eat/drink anything else.
i did think today, oh well if he wants to give up that's ok by me. until bedtime and it made me cry to think it was over!
i was so happy when he did feed that i know i'm not cool with him stopping just yet...and expressing just isn't the same

a friend of mine always baths her dd in the morning as she found the bath woke her up rather than tired her out. worth a try.
as long as she's not filthy you can bath her whenever you fancy

we have:
5 teatime
6.30 bath every other night
7 bf & bed.

JKS 8 teeth wow!

I have been thinking for a while, where is Naetha? Anyone heard from her?

Saw her on a thread yesterday actually!

DD still got no teeth but she's yelling and rubbing her ears all the time so I felt for sure they'd come through but still nothing there.

Ok ladies, I need some really really good advice but I need you to give it to me like I'm a 5 year old who doesn't understand IYKWIM

DD has a temper - or what I feel is a temper. When she doesn't get what she wants she screams and its a really highpitched scream. There is no tears or anything and she's fine in all other aspects.
Times she does this is if she wants something she can't have (wires, knife and forks etc etc) we take it off her and she screams. How am I meant to deal with that as I really fail I think and have lost my temper a couple of times.
Another time is when she's dog tired but refuses to sleep. You lie her down and she either rolls onto her stomach and screams or just plain screams.

Please help.

Lucky - sorry you are having such a hard time

Don't know what to suggest really but your DD is probably just frustrated that she can't do more.

My DD is just the same then DS plays up because so much time is spent holding/feeding/carrying DD. In my DD's case I know it is because she still can't do much, can't sit up or crawl yet but she REALLY wants to. The bumbo has helped a bit though.

When she screams for something that she can't have, does distracting her work? Ie give her something she CAN have or give her a breadstick instead??

No, I normally give her my phone as a distraction but she's got to the point now of throwing it away so I can't give it to her in case she breaks that in her temper. (or frustration)

I know she wants to do more but it just feels as though she's worked out I need her not to scream so loud so DP doesn't get woken up. So when she wants something she SCREAMS which she knows means I panic and (normally) give in so she doesn't wake him up and now she does it constant.

God,you have my sympathies!!!

Can DP hear DD from your bedroom, is it upstairs??

My DD does what we call her creaking door noise which then gets louder and LOUDER then screams!!!

Would she take a dummy or is she teething??

Also meant to add before hitting post that my DD is often worse when she is bored.

What times of the day does your DP sleep? I remember he works night shifts.