'January 08 shiny new - year babies , Keep rolling , rolling , rolling !'

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hope everyone finds it

Lily, yes, going back part time in December so wanted to start weaning at 8months, which is 1 October. But the nights are getting me down (last night bed 8.30, resettle 9.30, milk 11.30, more milk 2.15, refuse to give more milk 4.15, cuddle back to sleep, 5.50 more milk, sleep eventually from 6.30 til 8.45, wake up knackered. am also tired from worrying/feeling anxious, eating badly, house a mess. Just too much. so maybe bottle will help sleep and that will help the rest.

sorry, I don't know why i am moaning so much atm. just tired all the time. and still awake at 11pm, why??

on the upside following susie's advice nathan now drinks water from tippee cup with no lid on, 1/3 in 2/3 down chin but he opens his mouth and puts it round the rim and swallows. just need to hold it for him and hold a teatowel under his chin , he does wee more now

have ordered doidy cup from amazon which should come in a few days.

MM know what you mean i still up and we go bed 7 milk 10 milk 1 milk 3 milk 5 up at 6.30 it's hard but think the evening feels like 'me' time!

Evening ladies. Just a quick post before I go to bed.
We went to my bil birthday BBQ today. Had great fun. George loved the burger buns and even tried a bit of potatoe salad. He is also up on the furniture all the time now and can almost plonk himself down on his bottom now rather than flat out on his back
Dh was behind him at my sil while he was standing against her sofa and he turned round and launched himself into dh's arms. Thought it was very funny so kept doing it I still reckon he's going to be walking before Christmas.
Right off to bed now. Going hunting for some wellies for ds4 tommorrow as they didn't have any in his size in Asda this morning.
Night all xx

message from Nathan:

I want the Union
and a solicitor
and a barrister specialising in baby rights (Nicky6 are you there I need you )
Amnesty International
My MP
The local newspaper

Last nigth when I woke up around 11.30 a bit peckish (yes I know I had a slosh of milk at 8.30 and a top-up at 9.30 but hey) mum tried to give me a
BOTTLE
of
FORMULA

whaaaaaaaaaat? waaaaaaaaaah
I went back to my cellbed and back to sleep in protest until 1.45 when I did get the breast.

what is she up to? Is this normal for a mum?

lol lol lol

still having probs with laptop so must be quick - on dh's pc.

meant to be sorting out some family tree research i'm doing for my uncle, lots of notes, not much sense atm.....

had one night 7-6! then up again at 3.30 last night. better than some at least, sorry

back later maybe....

Brilliant madmouse
Alls well here today. My big boys are going home at 3 .
Looking forward to taking ds3 to his first day at school in the morning.
Have a good day all xxx

Message from Filly's dcs for Nathan:

Nathan, I hate to break this to you but....parents have rights too, you know. Yes, I know, it doesn't sound like it should be the case but we've done some pretty thorough research and 7 months or so of limited sleep is about the maximum any mummy can take On the plus side, you'll find that mummies and daddies are much much happier, nicer, smilier, friendlier and generally more amenable people once they start getting 7-9 hours sleep a night - check it out!!!

Hi all,

Filly - thanks for wise words. DH is fab with DD. I think I was just ranting over some nap thing, was it? I do get a bit wound up about naps. Dh has them down now, so that's one less thing for me. We're concentrating on her taking the bottle from him now. She'll take about an ounce from me, but she took four from him the other night.

LOL MM - is he taking a bottle in the day yet? Tiredness really does take the shine off things, doesn't it. And I'm totally with you about wanting to be just left to enjoy your baby. Fact is, Nathan's already done brilliantly and you should be allowed to just enjoy that. Any more (right) arm waving today? Sabela does the 'push the lumps out' thing too when I give her lumpy puree but is quite ahppy eatinga piece of cheese or a biscuit. I tend to have puree meals and solid snacks. I do worry about her still on these purees, but only beause I have read too many baby books. I'm sure she'll not be eating purees at 16!

Lily / JKS- sorry you're still up at night too. Sabela's first sleep seems to be stretchig to about 6 hours. Which is good. She feeds at about 1, will sometimes sleep until 4, but is usually waking and sleeping then until 6.30. It's knackering. ALthough this morning I took her into bed at 4 and we slept with only one or two minor interruptions until 8. That's the latest I've slept in months!

Gingeme - HE's going to be a marathon runner that one. IS Monday DS3's first day, or has he already gone?

MrsMc - it varies wildly, even in a day.

O, and a word to the wise.

Don't do the hoovering and then give your child a snack of peas and sweetcorn. Just don't.

and p.s. Sabela is LOVING this. I got it cheap from ebay.

LOL MM

Gingeme is if first day tom ? Is so hope it goes well!

LaT i am trying to sell things at the mo rather than buy so won't even look!

JKS wow would love to do my family tree! I like that programme on tv where they look into celebs family tree.

Filly will you tell dd too!

well my dc's have played out today and they were in out in out with bloody rain eventually left them with waterproofs on and they have had a ball! Loved it running round in rain and they both in bed asleep by 7! Well they do say if you can't beat it ....

Funny you should mention dogs Lily. It's quite a big thing as DS is obviously now all over the floors which has been the dog's territory for years. DS is becoming obsessed with the dog. Makes a beeline for him all the time and pulls him around. When we were little mum always had a "safe place" for our dog and we were taught not to bother them if they went there. Our dog too thick - just sits there - doesn't have the nous to find somewhere to hide!

Have caught DS with nasty dog hide chew in mouth . DS repeatedly tries to get at his biscuits on the kitchen floor. He thinks dog chasing ball is hilarious though, it really makes him giggle.

Have read somewhere (in "What to Expect" I think) that development milestones can affect sleep. Ds is still really wakeful at night... it's not even like when he was small when you would just feed and resettle them, it is prolonged wakefulness and refusal to settle between about 2 - 5am. Yawn! Apparently there is often an 8 month "sleep regression" which I think he has hit!

Well it's throwing it down again here. Some friends in nearby town had a very lucky narrow escape from flooding last night.

Gonna get an early night now.

Ange - I don't know how big your dog is but You can get those bowls on stands so its not as easily in DS's reach?

Neither would my dog Ange. She just gets up and moves to another part of carpet and off goes dd to get her!
Luckily she very lovely old dog and fab with kids.

And i suppose every cloud has a silver lining as dd slepp so poor we can't have 8 mth regression

Lucky did you have visit ?

He's a lab cross Lucky so that would be a great idea ta! he's a rescue dog but very gentle with DS - I think he must have had a home with kids in his previous life. He can be funny with food, I've never known a dog like it, he sometimes refuses his food if something upsets him! So we leave biscuits down all day and he grazes on them, then he has his tin of meat in the evening ... it's an insecurity thing I think.

Yeh and I'm pretty sure we passed - Kittens to be picked up from Nottingham [yawn] unless I can get them closer on Saturday

Our cat is like this - one moves and the other sits there while she pulls chunks of hair out of him. [stupid cat] I'm gonna have to watch her with kittens.

Ange thats what our cats do. biscuits all day then 1/2 tin (cos they're lazy and got really fat when we gave them a full tin) at night - 7pm. I can tell the time by them

argh having such probs with laptop ....

lucky - good luck with kittens. well done on getting room done.

gingeme - such fab news about your boys moving closer
will you see them more often? or just for longer cos they don't have to travel so far?

um, all ok here, ds2 on funny feed cycle today, so didn't have anything at bedtime may try a dreamfeed later....
he's eating loads more food tho which is good.

right, going to post this before i get disconnected again...

yay Lucky worth the hard work then!

Just about.

Aparently they're 9 weeks old (prob 10 by now) and black and White.
I'll post piccies when I get them but I can only post them on FB cos MN won't let me add piccies for some reason.

and just remember they need a home

Evening all. Yes it is ds4's first day tommorrow. I think he is a bit nervous as he has already woken twice tonight and he took himself off to bed at 6.45
Yes I will see my big boys more often they were here this weekend which my little boys just love. My eldest is 14 now and after Christmas we are going to try him traveling on his own, with ds2 ofcourse, They'll get an overground train from Bedford to Kings Cross then I'll meet them there and bring them home. It'll save me an hour journey. Their Dad suggested it which I am very suprised at.
I have just spent 3 hours sorting through a big carrier bag of photos putting them into albums and chucking out the dark,fuzzy,rubbish ones. Got a couple of baby ones of ds3 and 4 mixed up.Only half way through.
Well off to bed now. Expect well be up early with ds3 all excited.
Night all xxx

Ginge - Great you'll see your boys more.

Hope Simpson isn't having a rough time at her MIL's

Morning ladies.
A very successful morning re ds3 going to big school . He looked so smart in his uniform. Ran straight in to the class and played. Ran into the playground ran up the climbing frame and shouted 'Mummy I love big school'
Ds5 slept a little bit more last night. From 7-5am had a bottle then straight back to slepp till 7.25. He did have a tuna fish cake and sweet potatoe for his dinner and ate loads of it so I think that helped to keep him sustained a bit longer.
Well off to get some more washing on.
Hope everyone is ok x

Well last night not quite as bad as prev couple of weeks though he still woke a few times did not take as long to settle and did not yo-yo back awake as much. However I feel terrible today, weepy and suchlike . I am so crap on lack of sleep.

I feel as if I am muddling through rather than following some proper sleep routine. I feel bad whingeing about it because I know some of you are still doing lots of night feeds etc and prob just as sleep deprived! DS does not fall asleep independently and I am sure this is part of the problem. He needs cuddles and dummy. Daytime naps are inconsistent etc. I have really been trying to get him to go in his cot cos it's the only safe place for him now he can crawl off sofa etc. but he never seems to do a full sleep cycle in there never mind a proper length nap (which he will only do if he sleeps on us). I feel it is time to do some sort of sleep training but feel quite confused about what method to use and how to go about it! Has anyone done any and what would they recommend?

I know people have said DH could do more but whenever he tries DS just gets himself really worked up and then takes much longer to settle in the end so it seems pointless.