May 2008 - gurgling, laughing and maybe even rolling!

[thefortbuilder]

new thread everyone!

TBH, I have been really scared that I have PND. Asicsgirl I want to thank you as I just did the Q'aire you linked me too, and I scored 9/30, so 'normal'. I think as you said yourself, I feel better now almost already for doing that, that it's unlikely I have PND, IYSWIM. I can't explain why I am feeling so low all the time, but I think the fact I thought I might have PND was really playing on my mind and making it worse.

so glad to hear that lm74. sounds completely logical to me - ime being anxious about being anxious is a vicious circle. i think if you are normally an 'up' kind of person, and can usually do things to help yourself 'snap out of it' (like going to superbro's ), then you can easily get worried if suddenly those things don't work. life with 2 dcs is really tiring! and you do a lot (not like me sitting here on mn with a sleeping ds2 on my lap while the dust piles up around me, lol) so it may be that you are simply exhausted, and you need to find either some way of getting a real break,or (perhaps more realistically) making adjustments to your everyday life so you are not working so hard and can recuperate a bit. my life changed immeasurably for the better once i was able to go out for a run every few days, for example, as this is what de-stresses me. and i try not to worry about the dust too... hope you find a way to feel better soon chick ((hug))

I flipping hate epilepsy, sorry for moaning but twice today DD had seizures, ok they are not bad ones but still. They are horrible I wish she didn't have them, she has enough problems without this awful thing thrown in.

Please ignore me as I know this has nothing to do with our new babies and I should be posting on SN.

I am lucky that both times she has had them DS2 has been sleeping and DS1 entertaining himself with his cars, tractors and trains. (A boys favourite toy)

I also feel so alone today as parents away-usually see them during the day, DH is at a work away day up a mountain so won't tell him until he gets home as she is fine now and don't like to worry him when he can't do anything about it as he is 8 kms up a mountain on his way down now. And I am very pleased he has just told me that he won't be going to the meal afterwards so I don't have to worry about putting the kids to bed on my own.

Sorry for moaning, I am fine.

mitchell I feel for you too . Hope your day gets better.

Thanks again asics. I def want to try and start exercising regularly again, but I just don't know when I'll have the time/energy/no pain in my back and shoulder...to allow me too. I know it will make me feel better, but everytime I plan to do something, I'm so tired by the end of the day and my back and shoulder just hurt all the bloody time.

Sorry to be so negative.

Mitchell,

I've no advice, and it must be just dreadful having to watch your gorgeous DD go through that, but I wanted to write that you can come here and say how you are feeling about anything... We're here to support you whatever is the problem..., in whatever way we can.

I#'ve come to view the people posting on this thread as friends - I know most of you by first names now - and I know about your families, and have looked at your photos...

Your DD is just as important, IMHO, as your two DSs, or my DS.... She's such a happy little princess. I hope she's OK...

mitchell {{{{{hugs}}}}} your poor dd and poor you as well - sorry not meant to sound patronising - and come on here and get it off your chest!

lm am so glad you did the edinburgh questionnaire and scored 9 - i scored way way way in excess of that and even just one session helped me "sort myself out" - sounds silly- have you tried a multivitamin or bach rescue remedy - it can really help. or there are other bach remedies out there as well that might be suitable.

mitchell that must be so hard, and worrying too. very difficult when you are on your own. glad dh will be home for bathtime.

lm74 i didn't mean to say that you should be exercising - just that's my own personal decompression method. don't beat yourself up about not finding time for that too! it sounds like you may need to do less for a while, not load on more activities. i didn't realise you were still in pain with your back/ shoulder - poor you. has the physio not helped? being in pain all the time is bound to be contributing to your mood. maybe you should go to ycbs's osteo??

ds2 is having trouble staying asleep today, even lying on me or in the sling where he is usually away for ages. think he is teething, poor love. he's doing his best to be cheerful but looks knackered and just starts crying every so often, awww. bonjela helping a bit but you aren't allowed to put it on very often... ho hum.

ds1 had a brill day at nursery in the big children's class! the nursery workers said he was like a different boy well done ds1!

Pina Just wanted to say, I am on Maternity allowance which is £400 per month and goes on until February next year. Obviously, also get child benefit. I don't think we'll be entitled to anything after February, and I will find it hard not having my own money (but I'm getting very used to spending DH's money ) though I'm planning on teacher training from September and I'll get £16K for that which isn't bad.

sorry if I got this wrong, but I thought you were going back to Uni? To Chester?

Thank you for all your kind words. DD is much better now only problem she is wide awake, so who knows when she will go to sleep. Hoping it will be soon as she has to go to school tomorrow and will be tired.

Asicsgirl: Glad that DS enjoyed his new class at nursery.

LM Will you go back to one of your colleagues to check your shoulder and back again?

YCBS: How is your back? Have you bought a playmat yet? DS2 has one from ELC here but it doesn't do anything just toys dangling down for him to kick and chew. Also has a Galt one galt activity nest which is a round ring and has the activity thing above, but I am forever having to put the plastic arms back together so it is going to be packed away. DS1 enjoys diving into it hence me having to rebuild it all the time.

ps mitchell just wanted to say please don't feel you can't post abt dd on this thread - we all talk abt stuff other than the new babies and the rest of the family - in laws, other dcs, partners, whatever - is a big part of all our lives

My back is killing me... I'm going back to the Drs. at 9am... I just cannot explain how painful it is... For the first time since Harry arrived, I'm really questioning the sanity of being here alone. Harry and I are coping OK - I even managed to give him a lovely bath and massage yesterday, but I don't think I'd manage with the chocolate dog as well...

Mitchell - No, not got Harry a mat yet, but will get one for him today... There is no way on earth I'm going to make Mums of Steel today! Mums of wibbly-jelly, more like!

And, I've gone and signed us up for a house and DH hasn't seen it and now I'm panicking like mad that he'll hate it... It has 6 double bedrooms, gardens, parking, good location... So I was totally taken with it, but it's a bit souless, IYKWIM, and the place we have now is so gorgeous (even though it's too small). I really hope DH doesn't freak out when he sees it.

So, what have you guys got planned for today? I'm off to Hulabaloo kids (assuming I get out of the Drs. in time) and then off to pick my pictures up from the framing place (though not sure how I'm going to manhandle them into the car!!!! )

Other than that I shall be staying as still as is humanly possible!!

YCBS: Hope the doctor can do something for you, but I know that sometimes they say they can do nothing for backs. I have a support belt that you wear under your clothes that covers from the base of your spine to above your bellybutton so you can't bend in the middle and I find that really helps until your back is better. Maybe it will help? I forgot to say that house was nice, it will be good to have some space and you areen't buying it so don't have to worry too much about DH not liking it as it won't be for ever. I am sure he will be fine though.

asicsgirl Thanks, just don't like being the doom and gloom on here about something not related to babies. But thank you and I know everyone posts about all family members.

Well it is raining yet again in Scotland so won't be doing too much, DD is going to school and me and the boys will hopefully get out at some point, other than that tomorrow we are going to a Park with the Mothers and Toddlers so that should be fun for DS1.
Enjoy your day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just marking for later.

OK... I'm officially in love with the Osteopath... Have no idea what he did to my back today, or how he did it, but it feels a million times better. Not perfect, but liveable-with!!!

So, happy times in the YCBS house!

Harry is in fine fettle - Has a few new tricks - has learnt how to grasp his rattle and make it 'rattle' (which makes him giggle) and also seems to have found his tongue - he has spent much of today sticking it out at me (and looking jolly pleased with himself!!!!)

so glad you found joy at the osteopath's ycbs... i love the fact that you can walk in in agony and walk out able to move. like magic! lm74 are you reading this?? can't recommend them highly enough.

Hmmmm, Yes I am reading!! The thing is, I'm in the know, IYSWIM. I know (because it's my job) that my pain is just really tight overworked muscles in my neck and shoulder. I know that it won't really go until I stop having to lift/feed DD1 and DD2. I did see a physio at work, and he did help for that day, then it just all comes back again. I can't expect to just keep seeing him as when I'm at work I know we can't just see people (like me) indefinitely. Mine is also chronic, I've had it ages, so it's much harder to treat. I can go back and see the physio at work whenever I want, but I just know that for me, it's just one of those things I have to live with right now. I'm not being a martyr, I'm just being realistic. TBH, if I was at work and a new Mum came to me with the same pain, I would be telling her to minimise lifting and that it won't go until she stopped doing what aggravates it, i.e. being a mum!! So I ave to expect to be treated how I treat my patients. One of the hardest parts of my job is treating people who are unrealistic with their goals. Bit long winded, but you get what I mean?!!

However, I did go out on my bike earlier for 10 miles. Felt good, kind of 'easy', except my neck really hurt from the position, but I feel TONS better for doing some proper exercise, much more myself.

mitchell we have a galt play nest too, I got one for about £3 on ebay for DD1, but it didn't have the arch bit over the top. It was great for DD1 when she was about 5 months old, just before she could sit up on her own.

macoco I got the sleep book....it's great! Haven't read it all but I like his style...IYSWIM.

lm74 great that you got out on yr bike! glad it helped. i know you're in the physio biz but... just thought osteo might be worth a go. i'm normally really sceptical abt 'alternative' therapies but have had really awful pains disappear instantly. i had a lot of trouble when lifting ds1 at about 2yrs old and it really sorts me out.

For those of you who live near London, or would like to visit: I just booked free tickets to see Santa at Harrods.

OK, I do appreciate DS won't get much out of it (but I will ) but I think it something that's nice to do with little ones and I had never realised it was free before (though as DH has told me, the resultant shopping trip isn't free!! )

Anyway, just thought I'd mention it!!

I'm going on 3rd Dec, which I reckon is a good time to buy pressies anyway - am SOOOOOOOOOO looking forward to this Christmas with Harry.

Sounds good YCBS. I might book to take DD1. Not sure about the resulting shopping trip though!!! Is there a website you can link us to?

Oops... here

asics I am not anti-osteopaths at all, I think that as in most professions, you can get good and bad physios and good and bad osteopaths......( a lot of people ask me whether they should see an osteopath or physio or chiropractor...we all do pretty much the same thing, although Osteos and physios more closely linked.)

It has been described in the past that osteo/chiro's are good at 'clicking joints' and doing 'quick fixes' whereas physios focus more on the cause of the problem, so treatment takes longer and results aren't as instant, but hopefully, if the patient complies, the problem should then never recur as the cause has been treated. i.e. if you have a stiff joint in your spine, you can have it mobilised, but a physio would want to know....why is it stiff in the first place, and treat that. A lot of our treatment relies on patients doing exercises we prescribe them, and most people sadly aren't compliant.

Would you agree denny if you are reading this??? (we trained as physios together...15 years ago !!!)

However, I don't think it would go down well at work if I saw an osteopath....LOL!!! (only joking of course).

Well, I know little about it, but Osteo today 'clicked' something and it did seem to be a quick fix... and I could've kissed him!

As I'm covered by private healthcare, they explained something similar to me today - a GP is as likely to refer a patient to an Osteo / chiropractor / Physio and they only allow one referance per problem without being seen by a specialist... so I think it's fair to say that the methods are different, but the reuslt is the same...

I have to be selfish, though, and say a quick fix is what I was after!!
I could hardly pick Harry up (and he has now heard a couple of choice swear words!!! )

YCBS TBH it sounds as though you may have had a spinal joint either very stiff or a bit mal-aligned, as it was acute (less than 2 weeks since onset) it responded well to one treatment. Working in the NHS we don't tend to see people that acute so by the time they have sat on our waiting list the problem has become chronic and very different to treat. There is def a place for 'quick fixes' and I'm so glad yours was something that responded well. You obviously have a good osteo!!!

Oh blimey, I have turned into physio-bore!!! Sorry!!

my prob was less than 48 hours.. i have avery low pain threshold!!!