June 07 - Schools Out for Summer; well for some of us anyway

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oh and foxy i just wanted to say i LOVE beautiful south, and bought their greatest hits when i was 19 i am young in years but not in mind, dont you forget it!!!!

foxy you poor things how was 3 nights in the hospital was it st g? I used to work there glad she is feeling better

fairy sounds as though you have your outfit sorted have fun

sputnik hope baby sputnik is ok too and the osteopath can sort it out

hi natty norty and jammy

off to bed for me drive to devon tomorrow so long time in car with dcs

will catch up when I am away re meet up

wandsworth common is fine for me

Foxy, how awful. Poor LO.
How could you tell she was ill?

Bumper, yes, we are going for the singles. It costs £355 using the people I provided the link for yesterday.

1 jab every 12 weeks. Looks good to me... expensive, yes, but it's a choice that DH and I feel fairly strongly about, we'll just eat beans on toast for a few weeks!

Mornin!

Foxy what a shit week you've had!! Hope lo is doing ok?

Fury - Do you have any other links re the single jab thing - I had a look at the one you linked yeserday and was a bit at some of thier data but I'm curious about it.
What made you decide that the single jabs would be a better idea?

hey DKMA.
To be honest it's personal choice. The NHS don't support the separate jabs for many reasons and push the single MMR which they feel is safer, less traumatic etc etc.

They cite that there is NO LINK between autism and crohns and the single MMR jab.

But there are parents out there with autistic babies that really do believe there is a link.

Personally, I feel that it is quite safe and many many babies have the single MMR with no problems whatsoever, but the 'what if...' element just petrifies me and so I will opt for separate.
by the by, the NHS nurse had separate jabs for her own kids... which I found interesting!!!!

It's more hassle and quite pricey but I don't mind.

I have been on the phone to that healthchoice place - seems very legit etc to me.

We go for the 3 in 1, but I've always felt 12 months they are just a bit small for their little bodies to cope. Mine have been done at 18 months when I have felt they are a little more robust.

I will have LOs done soon though as there are too m any cases of measles for my liking.

I was sort of joking about Wandsworth but it it fits the criteria and do-able ....

DKMA, we are coming to do a reccy (sp) in December we decided this morning. You and DH going to be our Kirsty and Phil?

well i am truely an awful parent. took ellen for her mmr the other day to be told she had only had her first lot of jabs at 6 weeks, and not any of the others
with all the moving and hospital stuff with DH i had completly forgotton to take her, plus had received no reminder letters!
so she is now really behind with jabs and we are gradually catching up however she will be about 18 months b4 she has the mmr!

naughty naughty!

And if i may say, as a parent of an autistic child, it is a disorder that is present from birth, if often missed in the first year of life, and i ALWAYS knew there was something wrong even if the hospital wouldnt accept it till he was nearly 2 years old!
it seems to be a conincedence that the symtoms become more obvious around their first birthday, and that the jabs are at that time. i think the jabs should be put back too about 2 years, just to break that link and stop parents worrying.

Natty you know what I TOTALLY agree with you re the MMR stuff. I too often feel it's a complete coincidence.

But until parents stop worrying I'm playing 'safe' as it were. It's just for my own peace of mind, I don't judge anyone else their choices and I daresay the NHS are totally correct in their statements saying it is risk-free.

I'm just a rebel

Ok Fury - Don't be offended..... but I don't concider opting for an un licenced medication 'playing safe'
Do you have any links to the data re - saftey of the single jabs - so you could do a critical appraisal and compare?
The data re autism is utter crap and has been discredited. The parents 'worry' has been fueled by the totally unethical media in this case IM(very humble)O.

The MRSA are VERY careful about what they grant a licence and why, the fact that they lost the licence would make me assume (perhaps wrongly) that the benefit of the single jabs do not out weigh the risks.

Stating on their website that 50% of peads prescriptions are out of licence so it's ok - it horribly misleading and very . The types of drugs that are used in children without a licence are those where the benefits out weigh the risks - ie - if don't try then child might die (cancer drugs I bet would fit in to that category)

I am very about it and feel the need to know a lot more - at this stage I wouldn't concider this the 'safe' option at all?

I'll get off the soap box now!

Didn't the doctor who done the "research" get put up in front of the GMC?

He is a total quack and has probably damaged more childrens health via his crock of shit and the media jumping on the back of it!

Fury - don't mean to bang on - or make you feel bad - so nuff said.
It's all a bit unclear what the best thing to do is!

Fury and Natty, I'm kinda with you one this one in principle. I know that the original researcher has been criticised for various reasons but I also think to completely disregard the potential for a link is to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I do believe that there are people out there who do believe that these jabs affected their child. I'm scared of ending up one of these people.

However I do know that we don't all agree on this subject and it is quite contentious. For us I think we are going to go for the MMR, I think it was daisy a while back who mentioned that autism is far more prevalent in boys so she was playing the odds a bit, I think we are doing that. Like Foxy, I think I am going to hold off for a while though. Foxy, do you have any evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) that delaying has an effect?

Afternoon everyone btw . Had Jammy over to my place today, had a very nice time and the babies were very good. Unfortunately SG's DS is a bit poorly so she couldn't make it. We are considering Oxford next for anyone in our neck of the woods.

Evening all. Had a lovely day over at Bumper's The DDs played nicely together I thought (and I'm not going to comment on the Mummys ). Saw some nice shops too and Jamlet was very, very good on the train home, and has just gone to bed like a dream with virtually no screaming. I think she must have picked up some good sleep tips from her new friend today.

Hello everyone. We went to see a friend in henley today. Unfortunately my DCs weren't very well behaved and I was a bit , but I have known her since I was 12, and she knows they're not always like that so hopefully she ddn't mind too much.

I'm going to stay well out of the do's and don'ts of the MMR debate. We, like Andiem, are in an area which is constantly in measles-epidemic or very close to it, so DS will be having his MMR very soon, and his second dose very shortly afterwards.

Eeeek, I have just looked at the homepage and seen taht I have won 'BrotherMax' goodies. I NEVER win anything

well done Fairy. I have no idea what you did or won, but hey!

I had no idea either Jammy! Have just checked and it is a new range - I get some bath toys, bibs, a thermometer and some food storage pots. Not the most exciting things in the world but I am always pretty chuffed with anything that's free

Good attitiude Fairy

good evening all,
my f*&$ing child WILL NOT SLEEP! she is screaming in temper in her cot because she didnt want to go to bed at all this evening.
we also had two tantrums today, so i think she is heading for that lovely age (which tom is still in btw!) where they are just naughty ALL day long!

omg i am really NOT coping today, i have TWO tantruming toddlers.. god help me!

hugs natty. Sorry not much else I can say.

Oh hang on, I should say, pour yourself a large glass of something and take yourself and it out of earshot for 5 minutes.

jammy thanks, but i dont drink lol

maybe a reason to start though?

MMR debate.

I am not in an MMR debate. I stated what I was doing and also that I didn't judge anyone on their choices.

To each their own. If you don't like what I am doing, that's cool, I'm breezy. It's not a contentious issue as far as I am concerned.

I am not educated enough to even pretend I know anything about it, I am just a parent doing what I think is best, and if someone doesn't agree with that, then they are free to do it differently themselves.

Let's face it, it's not like I give DS fruit shoots or anything.

lol

tee hee at the fruitshoots, Fury!