June 08 babies - I know there's a few of us about!

[isaidno]

Thought I'd start a thread inbetween breastfeeding, laundry and bossing DH about tyo do stuff!

Let's make a list of members!

ISAIDNO - baby girl; Poppy Elizabeth; born 18 / 6/ 08; 6lb 4oz

katyjo - I'm getting the copper, no hormonal coil. After 15 years on the pill, I'm very curious to find out what I'll be like without hormones. And a friend of mine who has a coil said getting it wasn't as bad as a pap smear - so while I'm not looking forward to it, it can't be that bad right?

Hiya all

AH and Katyo - Im thinking of getting a coil too as due to my HBP i cant have hormones. Hoping its ok wondering if you can feel anything afterwards?

Fleur at mo seems to be funny with feeding and my breast milk supply seems to have gone down?!
I had loads at the beginning but the last week boobs havent been as full and fleur feeds on both and then still cries with hunger or wakes again for feeding half an hour/hour later
I express in the morning when its at its fullest and i also put her on breast every time she demands this last week instead of every 3hrs she wanted before but nothing has worked she still seems hungry. I know its not fussing, soothing etc nappy have eliminated all these. Can your milk supply suddenly diminish? Ive resorted to supplementing with formula ie she feed at 6 on both breasts and then at 6.30 she had 40ml of ff and went to sleep fine, she wouldnt go after bf at 6.

Do i need to resort to mixed feeding? What do those of you that do this do? Fleur is gaining weight but i dont like to see her sooo hungry.

Have no HV or MW support here have seen MW twice since birth in 7 weeks and that was me making an appt to to see her. ALso they are quite anti ff and dont believe in mixed feeding so wont get advice from them

needahand congrats on job

Amber glad you bought the book it is good and yes that is hard i must admit though i dont follow everything but her routines are goo and were working until now!!!!

oops long post again

Hi there

Interesting to hear about the coil - I had an ectopic pregnancy last year, so have to rule out a lot of contraception, but I think the non-hormonal coil is OK.

Aberdeen, sorry that you have been ill, but glad you are OK. The paed's daughter was 7 months - I should have said that - but I found it reassuring that he was a huge fan of grobags, and basically said not to worry about putting them in separate rooms.

Dorothy projectiled again today, but less, so I guess it's just a phase she is going through. Apparently when I come off the iron pills, she will be much more settled.

Rolf, I'd forgotten about garlic gate. Tee hee

Dorothy will also need a hip scan - hers is in August, so interested that others have also been referred.

Have been trying Gina Ford-lite with Dorothy. She did really well today until the afternoon nap, when all hell broke loose, and I basically had to feed her to sleep. But I feel like things are getting slightly more under control.

Paro, re mixed feeding / breast feeding, as long as you put Fleur on whenever she's hungry, your boobs will eventually make enough. (Hence Neenz being able to feed two.) But it's hard work during the growth spurt period. If you do supplement with formula, your boobs will not 'learn' to make more, which is why people often advise against it. I have never mixed fed (as DS wouldn't take a bottle, no judging!), so I can't really advise you, but I know plenty of people who have done it successfully.

Amber just wait till your LO gets to about 10 weeks old - all the smiles and the way they look at you makes it all worth it I promise!

Hoggle What a trauma! You sound pretty upbeat though, glad things are going well now. All that and still able to push him out? Well done you!

re sterilising dummies You just wash adn steam sterilise like bottles. If they touch the baby's clothes or cot sheet I put it back in their mouths but if it touches abything that hasn't been washed in a while (eg the sofa - think of all the housemites' faeces!) I sterilise again. I have some steriliser pots from Mothercare (£1.99) - they fit two dummies in and you microwave for 90secs. We have two so we can use one and sterilise one and always have dummies available.

LL I think it is great you persevered with the ebm for so long.

Essie I thought your post on death in childbirth was really interesting, not offensive at all '

G43 You have REALLY scared me now! I am relying on BFing as contraception (I know, I know... but every time I just think 'oh it'll be alright...') DH said to Theo last week 'your mummy and daddy love each other very much' and I said 'they love each other so much sometimes that they might make another baby'

Paro Could it just be a growth spurt? Your boobs will not feel as full cos after initial engorgement your body starts to make just the right amount of milk so boobs don't feel so full. But then when baby goes through growth spurt you don't have enough milk cos your baby needs more than you are producing - so let baby suck when it wants and your body will catch up. Can you express in the morning and use that to top up at 6pm instead of FF? You don't need to mix feed - your body will always make enough milk eventually but if you are tired your supply may be low in the evenings and your LO will be hungry. I give my twins bottles of ebm at both 6pm and 10pm feeds cos I found they were very hungry and unsettled. They are great now. I think if you give FF now, next time she goes through growth spurt you will just increase the FF instead of allowing your body to catch up. That is a quick way to fully FF, although it does work for some people (it worked for my SIL) so it is a personal decision. IMO you should resist giving formula or your body will never know to make more milk.

Neenz, I've warned you about using bf as contraception so you only have yourself to blame !

Thanks for the tips on sterilizing dummies btw, he really has taken to it to settle him to sleep in the evening, but like you if it falls in his cot I just pop it back in!

Contraceptive coil, I had one put in a few years ago - bit uncomfortable but then I'd never had a baby so was probably all a little bit tighter then it is now! You can't feel it at all afterwards and it settled my periods down brilliantly which is why I had it done. Would highly recommend it - fuss free method of contraception.

Thanks for replies i do understand bout formula but have had to resort to it cause the last few days i havent even been able to express anything at anytime during the day. She seems to completly drain boobs at each feed. She fed at 7pm (40ml 2oz) this was expressed breast milk that i had frozen and she has just woken up now and crying her hungry cry. (nappy clean, not overtierd, fists in mouth spits out dummy) I offered her the breast she gulped down something for 5 mins and is now asleep again!!!! (Nope has woken up!!!)
Will perserve im just emotionally drained by it all as BF was going really well, perfect latch, dead happy baby, growth spurts we were coping through them fine earlier she just fed more and seemed satisfied, lately i cant seem to give her enough!!!!!
Well will trundle on and see what happens and try not to resort to FF but its hard when she is soo hungry and i havent got anything else to give her!

I really sympathise Paro. This is why people give up BFing - commonly after six weeks (don't know if that is how old you DD is). It is very hard work. I say give it a week, try not to use formula and if after seven days it is still not working review it again.

Essie LOL at your dummy angst - I am having 'vibrating chair' angst! Esther just loves her vibrating recliner (she is even sleeping in it at night cos her hernia is making her so umcomfy) and I am scared cos I can't get her out of it! Hopefully after she has her op I can wean her off it!!!

Not that there is anything wrong with the vibrating chair, it's just that every time she cries I put her in it. I think 'really i should be trying to find out what is wrong with her and fix it' but it is just so easy to stick her in the chair - she likes it so much! Hopefully she will grow out of it on her own

Thanks Neenz , i really am going to try and perserve with it as I love feeding her, shes gaining really well (has gained 3.5 pounds) and ive lost 12 kilos 1.8 stones!!! She is 7 weeks old so at that stage!!! Im going to see what MW says and ahve a good frien who is up on BF so she might help other than that im going to continue being a on demand cow!!!!!hehe (love it really just keep thinking am i doing everything correctly!! typical mum!)

I had dummy angst for a while but then thought if shes happy im happy!! and we will cross the bridge of getting rid of it when we come to it!!!

paro v at the weight loss!

also had major dummy angst, but like you, if LO's happy then what's the problem!

see what MIL says tomorrow when she sees her grandson with a dummy!

V belated congratulations to Hoggle and Bun. I'm just skimming the thread so apologies if I've left anyone out.

So jealous of your weight loss, Paro. I haven't weighed myself since long before I became pregnant but I know that I am "stout". I'm still in stretchy pants and my stomach is worryingly distended - I'm sure much more so than after having my other babies. I actually get quite a shock if I catch a glimpse of myself in, for example, a window as I feel so great that I assume I look great too - then realise how cruelly illogical that assumption is!

I did put on 9 of those kilos during pregnancy though and body isnt completly flab free!!! Dont want you thinking im a kate moss!!!!hehe i wish!! Still weigh 85 kilos so hope to lose a bit more. Hoping dr will give me all clear to go back to gym this week.
What i will have trouble shifting i reckon is strech marks got really nasty ones on stomach Any fab remedies?

No clue about stretch marks, I'm afraid. I have them too, but the loose skin means that I'm not really bothered about stretch marks as they are just a drop in the ocean . If it's any comfort, they do fade and become much less visible.

Actually, having said that, I'm putting Neals Yard Rose Facial Oil on my tummy. I'm using it on my face and as oils go stale so quickly I thought it would be a good way of making sure I don't waste any of it. Don't know if it'll do anything for the stretch marks but it's nice for general skin texture.

Hi everyone

I'm totally lost with where I was when I last read the threads, think it was in ante-natal section when mentioned using Osteopath for Joshua's pain with wind etc?

Anyway, time has flown by and I've not been around but would like to still check in from time to time so have added myself to the list.

Have made a couple of changes to the list where dates had a wrong year or in the wrong place etc. hope that was ok

Will try really hard to catch up with previous messages if Joshua ever lets me whilst I'm not a complete zombie

Hope everyone is well.

How's little Olivia doing?

NEENZTWINS - twins; Theo Isaac 6lb 2oz and Esther Elizabeth 4lb 8oz; born May 6
MAKECAKES - baby girl; Cecily Jean Olivia born 18/05/08 7lbs 1oz
GOINGFOR3 - Baby Boy; Harvey born 20/05/08 9lb 9oz
KATYJO - Baby Girl; Mia born 24/5/08 7lb 11oz
PAROFLEURMAPU - Baby Girl; Fleur born 30/05/08 6lb 7oz
GREENFAIRY - Baby Girl; Storm Josephine Frances, born 01/06/08 6lb 7oz
TJUICE - Baby Girl; Elodie Summer, born 03/06/08 7 lb
JOSEY - Baby Girl; Olivia Margaret born 4/06/08 8lb 15oz
ABERDEENHIKER - Baby Boy; Fraser Neil born 7/06/08 9lbs
LORETTAH - Baby Boy; Harry Joseph born 8/06/08
SYBILVIMES - Baby boy; James Dominic born 11/06/08,8lbs 2oz
SYSTEMSADDICT - baby girl; Caitlin Rose; born 11/06/08; 7 lbs 11 oz
NEEDAHAND - baby boy, SJ, 11/06/08. 8lbs4
DYLANSMUMPLUSONE - baby girl; Anwyn Crystal Anne born 14/6/08 7lbs 15oz
SPONGEBRAINBIGPANTS - boy, Alexander Peter John; born 15/06/08; 7lbs 3 ozs
ROLF - baby girl; Theodora; born 15/06/08; 8lb 9oz
ESSIE3 - baby boy; Iestyn Seiriol; born 16/06/08 6lb 1oz
HOGGLE - baby boy; Adam Alexander; born 16/06/08 8lb 8oz
DEBINAUSTRIA - baby boy; Ethan; born 17/06/08; 10lb 1oz
ISAIDNO - baby girl; Poppy Elizabeth; born 18 / 6/ 08; 6lb 4oz
JOSIE57 - baby girl; Emma Caitlin born 18/06/08 7lb 3oz
SOPHIEWD - baby boy; Sebastian Wilfrid Joseph; born 19/06/08; 8lb 5.5oz
LOONEYTUNE - baby boy; Joshua James; born 19/06/08; 7lb 11.5oz
LIBRALADY - baby boy; Luke Thomas Jacob; born 23/6/08; 6lb 4oz
HEDGEHOG1979 - baby boy; Isaac John; 24/06/08; 8lb
POPPY34- baby girl: Edith, born 26/6/08, 7lb 6oz
JIVEGIRL- baby girl; Charlotte, born 26/6/08, 7lb 14oz
UPSIDEDOWNCAKE - baby girl; Dorothy Wijnanda - 6 lbs 7 oz; 28/06/08
KTPIE - baby boy; Jonathan; born 02/07/08; 9lb 2.5oz
ALLNEW - baby boy; Alexander; born 02/07/08; 8lb 9oz
FUNGLE - baby girl Isla Rose born 2/7/08; 7lb 7oz
LAURAT - baby girl; Charlotte Helen; born 06/07/08; 8lb 0oz
HELLBELL- boy; Ned, 9lb 7oz, 07/07/08
WHINEGUMS - boy; Barnaby Henry, 8lb 12oz 07/07/08

Hi all
Storm has now been awake for nine hours, bar a short nap and I'm going out of my mind.
Tried Gina Ford's crying down method but after 20 minutes she was hysterical... (and DH was basically calling me a bad mother)
DH just given her 5oz of EBM. Christ knows when she's finally going to sleep. Am so fed up and v tearful.
DH cannot seem to link his roughhousing/ insistence on feeding her under bright lights with her with her lack of ability to sleep in the afternoons/ evenings. And keeps suggesting FF when even one bottle means a marathon winding session.
He needs to effing toughen up and I am at the end of my tether.

morning all!

paro - also jealous of the weight loss. i gained 12 and lost 6 but was a bit overweight before so have 10 or 12 to lose. i plan to start slow jogging and maybe yoga again this week if i can get organised.

a thought though, are you eating enough calories for the bf too? i don't know much about it but have noticed that if i am supertired or don't eat much - my supply seems lower.

i have heard that strivectin is good for stretch marks but its extremely expensive. i think it was developed for stretch marks but has become a cult treatment for wrinkles too!
you can get it from harvey nichols and maybe on line too.

hugs greenfairy! I hope you had a better night! and you're definitely not a bad mother! Sometimes babies are just difficult and cry. I wish I could sort out Fraser's inability to settle after his night feeds! (Settles beautifully during the day - lucky me).

paro - I'm also jealous of your weight loss. I've got a stone to lose still and I haven't lost anything since the first week. I'm tempted to try weight watchers since I think it's my eating habits... (they give you points for BF so I think it's okay once you're past 6 weeks). Anyone tried it?

Paro I mixed fed dd1 from 6 weeks, Just one bottle before bed. From 11 weeks she was fully ff. She would really fuss at the breast, head banging and really pulling my nipple and this could go on for hours. When I gave her a bottle she drained the bottle very fast so during the hours of frustration she wasn't taking any milk. It's a very common thing to happen. If you want to continue to bf it may be worth cutting out the ff.

DS still feeds through the night if he didn't then I wouldn't mind my period comming back so soon! Neenz, you'll be pregnant again very soon!

AH, I started WW this weekend. I'm not bf but they do give you points for that.

I have alot more than a stone to lose, but it's a v easy diet to follow and they give you points for exercise too so it encourages you to be active.

Hi all, I decided to brave the board again after condemning you all to an early death... . Sponge I should stress that death in childbirth is not common - highly unlikely in fact - but stay clear of time machines...
Also, Sponge - Iestyn (1 day younger than Alex!) is definitely smiling now. The difference is that his eyes are involved. Previous windy smiles were sinister jobs, mouth only!

We've come back to lovely sunny (!) Anglesey now, and had a long journey yesterday but it went better than the first time we did it. The dummy helped, but Iestyn is also a fair bit older.

LOL at your vibrating chair angst, Neenz! I think my main worry with the dummy was that I was just using it to give me peace and quiet rather than trying to comfort a crying baby properly...but then there's only so much I can take! He seems a bit more settled these days anyway, but the dummy helps with settling him. Oh, and contraception: a friend of mine is now pregnant, and her daughter will be 15 months when the second one is born (assuming he/she isn't early). She had trouble conceiving before her DD was born.

Can I join a breastfeeding conversation? Yesterday and last night (including this morning), Iestyn's feeds have become extremely short - 5-10 minutes. I assume he'd cry if he was genuinely hungry? I'm watching the situation - it could just be that the long journey has confused him a bit, because things aren't 'normal' on a travelling day? How long do others feed for?
He farted ('sharts'...!!) loudly most of the night so I'm not unduly concerned. He's also taken to grunting loudly and in an annoying way, so I suspect he won't be sleeping in our room too much longer.

Hi Sponge! x-posted.
On weight loss - I'm doing ok but I did lose a stone when pregnant due to sickness, so I started with an 'advantage' (but the sickness was disabling!!). When I broke my foot a few years back I got quite fat and had over a stone to lose (I was getting married), and I did it online: www.weighlossresources.co.uk. I liked it because WW was too scary and I was too hungry on it! It was just calorie counting but done online, with nice boards like here, and calories gained for exercise. Just thought I'd mention it in case it's useful.

Hi Essie, thanks for the reassurance about the chances of dying next time round!!

Tbh, the thought of dying scares me less than the pain - but that's just me!

Did you drive back from London to Anglesey?! You are v brave to do that with a 5 wk old!

I have also tried weightlossresources but I'm not good at calorie counting so WW has always worked better for me (don't know why I find counting points easier than calories!).

Well, better go and tidy the house. Have the dreaded MIL coming for the day. Wish me luck!

DD2 doesn't feed for very long at all. With DS1 I used to time the feeds and make a note (in a special notebook) of how long he'd fed for, which breast and the time. Just in case there was any litigation in the future . I've realised with DD2 that there are far too many variables for this to be of any use whatsoever - eg how efficiently the baby suckles, your milk supply, the quality of your milk etc etc. DD2 feeds for about 5-10 minutes at a time (I think) - nothing like the hour-long marathons I had with DS1, and she put on almost 2lb in 4 weeks.

Hugs Greenfairy, how are you doing today?

Dorothy has been a little unsettled as well. She has been refusing the dummy, but a short suck on me sends her to sleep. Now that's a good habit to create, eh?

Gosh, Essie, can't believe you've done that journey twice. Very brave.

Rolf, very jealous of short feeds. DS used to take about 1 hour 15, and Dorothy is taking about 45 minutes, (an improvement!). I am one of those note writers - it helps to create an (entirely false!) sense of control.

Yay, took my last iron pill last night, so hopefully, Dorothy's wind will settle down.

Comment from DS yesterday, 'when I'm big, I am going to buy some breasts so that I can feed my baby.' Am completely puzzled.