August 2007- The one where we miss our plonkable babies! They're licking the pram wheels as we type...

[JamesAndTheGiantBanana]

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Had a really bad night. Dd's got a temperature and didn't want to sleep. Dh got up with ds at 5am but put him back to bed at 6:30 when he started getting ready to go out. 10 minutes later he came upstairs to get dressed and woke him up slamming drawers Why are men so bloody inconsiderate?????

Thanks Lizzie - Mum's got to have laser surgery on one of her eyes. The dc's were really good at the hospital. There's a corner of the waiting room for kids with toys and books.

I know how you feel about twins meandmyjoe. I've had my fingers crossed hoping for just one (at a time) in both of my initial scans. We dont really have routines here either. Ds goes to bed when he's tired.

James - Mum's lost 6lb so far and won slimmer of the week this week So far she finds it suits her better than weight watchers. Can you recommend any recipe books? She's trying to ge dad to eat the same thing - he's super fit and slim but she gets fed up having to make 2 separate dinners and needs to find things he'll eat too. Hope you have a nice weekend away.

Glad you're ok tasha. Keep in touch while you're away (IYKWIM).

Bought some lovely (and v cheap) summer clothes for the dcs in Primark and Matalan yesterday. Lets hope the weather improves so the can actually wear them.

Best go, the remote control was keeping ds amused but he's lost interest now.

Knickers i glad your sickness is over. I found my pg with Lexie a lot more uncomfortable with lots of 'growing pains'.

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hi all, hope you're all having a good weekend, my dad is up from London so we're loving seeing him and Callum adores his "dadnan" (that was his new name yesterday when he was trying to copy us say grandad-when he found that we all laughed every time he said it, he thought this was great and has carried on ever since)

tasha-glad your back but so sorry it felt so clinical, text me if you need to x

knickers-glad ms has stopped and hope the pains go away soon

conker-i hope you're feeling better, i really feel for you having to leave ds but hopefully the kilt business wil kick off soon.

gill at your dh-all men seem to be the same!!! I was fuming at dh last night, i'd been sleeping in the evening and when it came to go to bed i went to get a drink only to find the kitchen looked like a bomb had hit it, so i started cleaning (and fuming). When i got up to bed, dh had ds on bed with him but he hadn't been creamed up, no clean night time nappy and no sleeping bag. I took a deep breath a said night to dh and asked for a kiss and he said in a hump "maybe tomorrow"!!! So i took ds and all his stuff downstairs and slept down there. Dh came downstairs all apologetic this morning and tidied the rest of the kitchen, did all the washing and ironing and put the bins out-oh and i got a foot massage too -he said he was just half asleep and didn't know what he was saying or doing!

(sorry i just realised how long that was, i just needed to get it off my chest)

lizzie-wow at lexie's climbing skills-C can only do about 2 and then he tries to turn round and dive head first off

James-hope you have a good weekend

Shrinking-hope you and dc are all feeling better soon

meandmyjoe-C sounds like Joe too, he's into everything and is so inquisitive. He can now walk along the wall without holding onto anything, he just pushes against the wall with one hand for support IYSWIM, so know he can reach even more things he's not supposed too!
As for the sleeping-he will get better and i couldn't do CC either so i understand where you're coming from. Callum still goes to bed at around 10pm and he comes in with me in the morning when dh goes to work and he sleeps till lunchtime pretty much, however he has been waking more than usual too and the other morning he came in with us at 4pm and sang to us for an hour! But when dh is at home he gets up earlier as he can't contain his excitement at seeing daddy!

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Hi all,

Thanks Helibee, I hope you're right about the sleeping getting better! We have been so lucky with his sleeping though so I know it could be worse and I shouldn't complain!

Aww Knickers, those videos are lovely. I can't believe she walks so well! I though Joe was pretty good but Charlotte has put him to shame . Best not tell him though as he's a bit of a competative control freak so I'll keep telling him he's the cleverest and most talented little walker in the world!

gill and helibee at your men! I think it is just a man thing. DH can either be father of the year and the best husband I could ever wish for or he can be the biggest pig's bottom I have ever come across. Mustn't complain today though. He got up in the night with ds and got up early with him this morning and even turfed the garden so he has been father of the year today! Bracing myself for pig's bottom tomorrow

Well, not much to report here. Hoping you are all well and you're lo's are all nicely asleep til at least 8 am!

Hello all, Tasha, glad you're coping ok, and lo is putting on some chub finally!

Read briefly through the thread and can't remember anything I wanted to say, typical. Glad you're all ok anyway. Really tired as we just got back from S/Wales a couple of hours ago.

Had a mostly nice time but saturday night was horrendous, I got J bathed and ready for bed for 8.30pm but thanks to my stupid sil he wouldn't settle- she kept coming over and touching him and going "you're supposed to be asleep! go asleep! go on! peekaboo! go asleep! peekaboo!"

Then she put Sleepy Hollow on (last time we visited she put a horror film on, too- again, one she's seen before, she doesn't give a damn that I'm trying to get him to sleep in a room full of screaming and scary music) I couldn't believe it! I can't decide whether she's a total fuckwit or doing it deliberately to get at me, when really the main person suffering is James.

After a while he was getting really upset so I took him upstairs but he wouldn't settle even in a quiet dimly lit room with me lying next to him, so after nearly three hours of trying everything I could think of I was crying myself with frustration and I had to take him back downstairs and put him in his travel cot before I lost my temper with him.

He didn't get to sleep til almost midnight, when the film had finally finished and the insensitive cow had gone to bed. I went mad at dp because he'd been playing poker in the kitchen (a few feet away) all evening ignoring the crying. He kept asking "what do you want me to do, though???" and all I could think to say was "support me!" because I just felt so alone in it all, and he said that was a stupid thing to say, so I lost my rag and (I never do this!) THREW the remote controls, several toys and a packet of biscuits, across the room.

Anyway, needless to say his sleep is now completely messed up, he's only just gone off and there has been loads of crying in the last two nights. I now suspect he's been teething too (no dribbling, no red cheeks etc, but a second tooth has miraculously appeared) I've given him some calpol and a dab of bonjela tonight in case it is hurting.

Sometimes I feel like a really shit mum just fumbling in the dark. I know I've still got PMT and I'm very tired but just feel like having a little cry because I'm so sick of winging it on my own and him suffering as a result (why didn't I realise he was teething??)

Anyway, in other news he's starting to wave bye-bye and clap his hands, as well as pull up on furniture The pulling up scares me to death as he lets go when he's on his feet, and falls on any available sharp object.

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James you are not a shit mum, you are a tired one. And yes it is frustrating when you can do nothing to stop them crying and the more stressed you get the more stressed they get and it goes on and on until someone else takes over IYKWIM.

As for your dp yes he should have come and helped offer moral support to you. Mind you DH stands with his hands on his hips asking why is dd1/2 crying .

As for your cow of a SIL ignore her as she will just make herself look more stupid as the more she does these things.

Thanks guys, I'm amazed what sil gets away with, but she's a sulker who holds massive grudges so I think mil thinks challenging her isn't worth all the drama it would create! I'm glad to be home, and while J was a pita to get to sleep last night, he slept til 10.30am this morning! and in his own cot too, I couldn't believe it! I needed the sleep though so thanks James! feel better today for it.

Hope everyone's doing ok this morning, I'm applying for a few jobs today, one is only saturday and sunday mornings but works out at decent money- that'd be perfect. back later x

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WOAH

We have 2 teeth at last.

hooray for the teeth! top or bottom, lizzie?

That's a coincidence, knickers! He never sleeps that long usually, mind.

He just stood up against his plastic baby gym thingy and then fell back (twisting as he went so he didn't land on the pillow I'd put behind him) and banged his head hard on the floor and the gym fell on his face. There was a really tiny bit of blood on my white top, I think from his mouth (he had a dummy in when he fell, too) but I can't see where it has come from. I've checked his nose, and the back of his head and the blood isn't from there, so I'm not too worried.

He's now over there attempting to pull himself up on the gym again. Did I mention I hate this stage?

Bottom teeth at last. I hope the next one don't take so long to come through.

I hate this stage to. Lexie keeps nutting the coffee table and the back door.

hiya - been trying to read everything before i posted but have forgotten everything i was going to say to everyone.

of babies sleeping till 10.30 i'd settle for 7am or even 6.30am! dd2 has been up everynight for a couple of weeks and dd1 has been getting up for pee's or her coughing has been bad.

last night dd2 was up at 3.30 wanting a cuddle, gave her milk to get her back to sleep except she kept cuddling in, then sitting up clapping her hands, looking at me and smiling which means 'clap your hands for me mummy' .

tasha - how you doing now? hope you are getting some support? glad your boys are doing well.

james - fingers crossed for the weekend job. what an arse your sil is. take it she doesn't have any dc?

glad that lexie's 2 teeth are through.

i'm off for an early night again...need to try and get some sleep somehow!

Hello all. Dd's temperature only lasted a couple of days but then ds got a (mild) chest infection and now he's on anti-biotics. I took him to the out of hours doctors on Monday and fortunately I only had to wait 10 minutes. He really wasn't himself but he's fine now. We had a rough few nights with both dcs waking up at least once in the night. Dh slept on the sofa Saturday and Sunday night which meant I had to get up with the dcs . I'd been up several times Friday night and had to be up early on Saturday as dh was going out. When I took dd downstairs at 1am Sunday morning and asked dh to deal with her while I went back to bed he announced he'd only had 15 minutes sleep and was really arsey about it. So then I had to stay up with her and then ds an hour later and get up early when the first one woke in the morning Fortunately they both slept through Monday night which I was very relieved about.

Knickers - I've been there so many times with the milk on carpet. Dd was a projectile vomiter and did it very soon after finishing her bottle. Milky sick is so difficult to clean.

James - sorry to hear you had a bad weekend. I bet you dread going to stay there. at your dh not saying something to his sister. Maybe if he had to get james to sleep he might do something. And you are a great mum! I never knew when dd was teething and every time I think ds is teething nothing happens. He still has noooooooooo teeth!

It sounds like James and Alex are about the same level of development. Ds has just started waving in the last couple of days. It was so sweet, he waved to some little boys in Burger King the other day and had a huge grin on his face. He is quite a good climber and can pull himself up to standing on quite low surfaces like my lap. He struggles with the sofa though but I think it's quite high.

Hope you had a good night's sleep my2weegirls. I wish my 2 would learn to sleep later than 5am! I keep telling them to sleep til 6 but they just won't listen

wow sounds like nobody on this thread is getting much sleep just now. ds has got a cold and coughing all the time so waking himself up - but then he never slept well anyway. had him at doctors but its not a chest infection so just have to wait for it to go.

ds is waving and clapping too and has started saying mama mama when i come in the room or over night which is very nice in one way, but makes me feel like i always have to go to him instead of dh which given the number of times he wakes, is not possible. he might not mean mama but he seems to say it at appropriate times.

all your babies seem to be climbing too but ds hasnt really tried that much yet - he can stand for a couple of seconds on his own so i think he is working on balancing but has a long way to go still which is probably a good thing - our house is in no way baby proof yet.

hope all the non-sleeping babies settle down soon.

Hello all !!! The regularly vanishing TT here, how are you all? We're just back from two weeks on holiday which was fabulous although didn't particularly enjoy being in the same room as Paddy through the night. Not that it disturbed me too much but DH would moan about how every sound disturbed him. Anyway, the little fella has six teeth, flies around the furniture holding on, has two speeds of crawling which are 'normal' and 'warp factor' and turns the charm on like a bloomin' tap to everyone. Will put a new picture on now actually.

Oh, and am pregnant again.....

(TT runs for cover before the "are you insane?" questioning starts !!!)

Touch wood we have been lucky with Lexie, she has a bottle between 10.30pm - 11pm then sleeps through untill 6.30am - 7am. Lizzie didn't sleep through untill she was over 2yrs.

Congrates TT When are you due.

I gald you had a good holiday. I know what you mean about speed crawling/walking i have that along with speed crawling up the stairs.

Big congratulations TT! I remember you saying you were going to ttc virtually straight after paddy was born as it took you a while to get pregnant with him, you must be so chuffed! Do you know how far along you are? Wonder who'll be next? Glad you had a nice holiday, where did you go?

Lizzie, James was stair climbing tonight at my sisters, hair raising stuff as he keeps falling back, so glad we have the stairgate now, there's enough mischief for him to get into without flinging himself down the stairs, too!

Conker, sorry to hear Struan's not well, hope he's feeling better soon. Working on balancing vs "climbing recklessly whether you can balance or not" James-style is good!! Wish James would slow down and work on getting safer, but it seems like he's too busy for it...

Gill, glad your two are better now- I don't know how you cope working full time on so little sleep, especially when your dh can be so selfish at times (can't they all!) I hope you take breaks when and where you can, you must get so exhausted by it all. I remember you asked about recipe books- did I ever send you that big file with all the free/low syn recipes in it? don't think I did. Email me at: the_pkat at yahoo dot co dot uk and I'll send you the file.

My2weegirls, I'm sending your girls some "Have mercy and let mummy sleep" vibes!

Tasha, hope you're feeling ok, hon.

Well, we went to the zoo today and it peed down, badly!! My jeans were soaked to the knees, we squidged our way round but the animals didn't seem that impressed either. But we still had a very nice time and I enjoyed seeing my highschool best friend again. Done my hips in though with all the walking, can't believe my spd is still affecting me almost 10 months on!

Goodnight all xxx

hiya

Callum took his first unaided step and beamed at me whilst he did it and i nearly cried with pride! [very proud mummy emoticon]

Anyway at you sil James and your dp sounds like he deserved the remotes thrown at him . You are a fab mummy and there is no "perfect" way to parent, all the lo's are different and our style has to adapt to that, I'm sure all those mums with 2 or more will tell you that not all the dc were the same. Oh and clever James with his waving and clapping

Gill at your dh for not helping you at the weekend! Alex sounds very cute with his waving in BK

conkertree-hope ds feels better soon, poor wee thing! How are you feeling now-any happier

tokentotty-congrats on the pregnancy-i'm becoming VERY broody, thnk i'll wait till C is a year before trying again

lizziemum-congrats on the tooth, one of C's top teeth came through too (thankfully)

knickers-the videos are soo cute, and well done on the waving and clapping

my2weegirls-hope you get some more sleep soon, dd sounds very cute at 4am!!

Last night dh woke me up at 6am to watch Callum who was sitting up in his cot reading "thats not my penguin! (one of his fav books), he was turning over the pages then on the last page was banging it and shouting "my my my"-we think he understood that the last page is ALWAYS thats "MY" ...!! anyway he makes me laugh with his wee cute things-don't we all have clever babies

Hi all,
Just had a quick scan of the thread as I haven't been around for a few days.

James- you aren't a shit mum! We all wing it, especially with our firsts. I sometimes feel like I'm 9 months in and I still haven't got a clue! You can't always tell their teething so don't feel guilty. They don't always get the red cheeks and temperature. Joseph has never had any other signs of teething apart from rejecting food so I just assumed he was being awkward til the teeth popped through a few days later

at your dp though, he could have helped a bit. I'd have thrown the bloody tv at him never mind the remote! And yeah I do think your sil is just a total fuckwit who has no idea about babies. It's obvious a baby won't settle himself while someone is playing peekaboo, I hate it when my family do stupid things like this and then act like it's my fault when he cries and whinges as he's tired! I'm afraid I tend to snap at them and tell them that it's their fault and they should just leave him alone if all they are going to do is wind him up.

hellibee, congrats on the walking, you must be soooo proud! My ds has only just figured out how to crawl forwards after months of going backwards and reversing into corners!

Tasha, hope you are well and are recovering and getting lots of support.

Joe's sleeping is still a bit of a mess but not too bad.

Hope you're all OK.