December 2006 drag yourselves over here!

[Indith]

Oooops no room to link to old thread!

Lol at AQ forgetting that she is pg Sure the madness will pass. And don't worry about my chocolate supply, I live round the corner from Tesco

Jabber I think you should pop ds in the post and I'll sned him on holiday with all my clibing friends, they do similarly dangerous stunts on a larger scale. He'd have a ball

Eli - glad the osteopath went well.
BP - hope the reaction to jabs is shortlived.
lennied - my DD2 still has a flat spot but nowhere near as bad as when she was little. She sleeps well though.

LennieD, DD2 has no flat spot - doesn't sleep

Lennied, this osteo is not only good, he's also rather cute

THey have to be trained and registered, its a well regulated profession...try a local health clinic, or ask GP for names maybe?? Some do cranial osteopathy as well as conventional, and thats supposed to be v good for babies....strangely, it did make quite a difference to dd1 (who wouldn't feed on one side till she had a session) so am hoping will help dd2. But mostly I wanted the diagnostic bit this time.

FGS, am so glad your dh is supportive - what a difference that can make, eh. I was on Microgynon 30 for years (years ago) and found it a bit 'heavy handed'...defo worth trying a different one.

BP, multiple post-jab, nightmare/noghtmare-less vibes to you and your household....

Hi Lucy

Ooh, Dsis's waters have gone and she's having contractions. It's all go .

Yay Oli! Good luck to your sister

FGS, was going to suggest an archive search when I read you had done one. There are a lot of peole about who have had pill problems with various differnt brands, myself included. Bursting into tears at random people is not normal and you should see your GP. No matter how stressed most of us would manage to keep the tears for the cat/our dps, that lack of control is something a lot of people have experienced. It is really worth playing around with or even if you want ot be sure it is the pill, giving yourself a break to see if things calm down so that you can start to experiment to find one to suit you from a blank slate so to speak. Take care and make sure you get some tlc.

Osteo sounds good Eli, glad it is not her hips.

BP hope you managed some sleep before your flight!

Was 3 in a bed last night again as ds woke up and screamed the place down. Screamed in arms, screamed in cot....let's just say tempers were frayed!

Can't believe we are off on hols tomorrow, I don't have the time to go on holiday I am actually dreaading it! Suppose I should pack at some point today. And remember to wash the nappies.

O Indith, preparing for hols with a frayed and unwell LO (and unslept self) is hard - am thinking of you. If you're going anywhere where shops exist, don't worry too much when packing - anything dire you forget can be bought. Is DS ok, health-wise, today?

Oli, having ended up with two transverse-motivated c-sections, I'm no good at labour vibes - but am sending some anyway

He is ok during the day Eli I think it is typical cold stuff that it only really bothers him when lying down at night. I'm just beig daft really, uni stress having really problems with essays and time running out and I can just see that I'm going to come back shattered frm having to share a room with ds when I just can't afford to be as I need to do this work!

BP- nice to know someone else in the same boat. I try not to mention her lack of sleep too much to people in RL anymore. They always raise their eyebrows in a kind of 'that woman is obviously pandering to her child' fashion and suggest CC. If only it was that simple. I have even had people suggest we give her a large dose of mediced (sp?) to 'knock her out for the night', and that was in the last couple of weeks. We've also had more than one person (including one member of close family) suggest we turn off the monitor, shut the door on her and leave her til morning . I don't mention it anymore really.

glances round to check DH not looking cute osteopath sounds great - will ask the HV next time I see them.

Indith I forgot you were at uni too - what are you doing? I'm doing a masters degree at the moment, have been since before the bubs. Slow progress but almost there now. And know exactly what you mean about not being able to afford the time. I'm the same, DH will ask if I want to go out for the day on our precious weekends and I'll begrudgingly go but spend the whole day miserable 'cos I know it will be another week of late nights to get my work done.

Think my labour vibes are reasonably ok ish, maybe not, but I'll have a go anyway...labour vibes....good luck.

The sleep thing is like that, isn't it Lennied? Everyone's got some advice about it! DS1 didn't sleep through until this age (and tbh wasn't great until much later) and a sleep clinic was enormously helpful if only to give me hope.

Indith, commiserations on the holiday, I do hope it turns out better than you think! We slept in bunk beds (poor planning on my part) before ds2 was born and it wasn't tooo bad, the snoring was further away at least. We've got a weekend in a hotel for dad's wedding next w'end and I'm kind of wondering how the heck we'll do it. Do I have to go to bed at 7 every night? Hope ds gets better soon anyway,hugs!

that wasn't me giving advice again, well not really, lennied! half of the issue i felt at some points was that things ought to be a certain way (babies sleep through at 8 weeks etc) as well as dealing with the problem in hand!

I found the biggest issue is how different people define 'sleeping through'. Some people harp on about how their children slept through at 8 weeks when really they mean from 11pm-5am ( a la [insert name of well-known baby guru]) , DD wakes at 3 or 4am most nights but she sleeps from 7.30 ish until then and will usually go back to sleep for an hour or two after she wakes. If I went to bed at 7.30 every night I'd be fine . It's not even that bad really, I'm not even that bothered about it anymore, it's just other people...you know the drill.

Re: going away. Does your youngest AQ and your DS Indith sleep in their pushchairs? When we are away we take a longish walk before tea to get DD to sleep in her buggy and then she will sleep for at least 3/4 hours so we don't have to go to bed early. Now she is older she doesn't always sleep but tends to doze on and off and watch the world go by. At my sister's wedding in Dec bubs was still on the dance floor at 11pm there were a few despairing looks at the number of empty wine glasses on my table...

Exactly. When you dig, you find out v.few people have it all - their kids are getting up at 5.30am which I couldn't have hacked. Or no daytime nap, which ds1 always had until 3.

DS2 will sleep in buggy during a walk, maybe, but I think we're going to have to put both of them to bed at 7ish as usual and take turns staying in the room (or poss. next door as I suspect my sisters will be in the room near us). I'm looking at buying a baby monitor for the trip. Cos I am not staying in darkened hotel room for 3 nights from 7pm! We always do cottages for this reason.

You could ask for interconnecting rooms with your sisters, then at least you could watch tv etc. in one room and settle the DCs in the other?

Thanks for the support re: sleep, I know I am right to wait it out with her now, we've tried most things and had limited success. It's just keeping my nerve when the pressure is on that is the difficult part. She's not going to be getting me up at 3am when she's 15 is she? Well, actually maybe she will, but what I mean is there is an end in sight. I just don't know where it is yet.

Sorry, just realised that was what you meant. I would blame wine, but haven't had any yet. There are loads of baby monitors on eBay right now, the boots digital ones 'cos they've brought out a new range so have flogged the old stock. We have one of the old ones and its fab.

The rooms have already been booked, I have no idea what they're like, I live in hope it's a proper Aussie family room with living room & bedroom!

Do you think it's the fact that she's getting up at 3am that's the problem or that other people are making you feel cr&p about it? You think she ought to be sleeping through so put yourself under more pressure etc. Because this is the question I was asked when I first went to the sleep clinic and it made me stop & think (and relax, because some of it was about peer pressure). I thought ds1 would NEVER stop getting up in the night, and it was a problem until he was well over 2, occasional nights. I dreaded it with ds2, who of course slept through from 8 weeks amazingly. Talking to someone with some sleep experience or a sleep clinic might help you feel better at least. Is there one near you?

I am so longing for a glass of wine. Decided to go with NICE guidelines, nothing in first 3 months (12 weeks now) and then a glass a week if I fancy it.

TBH AQ I think it is a bit of both. I am tired and both me and DH would obviously prefer not to get up every night. BUT I think the reason I feel bad is because I get such OTT reactions from people about it. Doesn't help that we are the first in our circle of friends to have kids. People I know from toddler groups are more supportive, but often they can be the most irritating too iykwim . If I mention it to HV they just tell us to do CC. No mention of sleep clinics. I think I might try my GP, she is lovely and I haven't seen her for ages. Would be good to catch up and I'm sure she would know someone who knows about sleep.

Thanks AQ

From memory the longing for wine gets easier in the middle months and then harder again at the end. By then it gave me indigestion anyway! It is overrated, like chocolate (which I eat by the bucketload), if you give it up long enough you no longer crave it and it tastes sooo much better when you do have it. Your scan must be soon then, are you asking the sex? Right, must go socialise with DH .

And don't you hate it when older people make comments, like stick em at the bottom of the garden etc. Urgggh. Some HV's have the specialist training in sleep, so sure to be someone around & hope they can help!
I suspect I'll have a glass and then think what was all the longing about! Haven't got scan date yet, but they won't be able to tell me the sex until 20 week one (which I will want to know!). Night!

Ooer, AQ, 12 weeks congrats! And, enjoy.

Sleep....dd2 has woken every night without fail, Lennied, for a feed at some point between 1am and 4am until about six weeks ago (she's 16 months now). When she's well (hardly ever, this winter!) she now sleeps from 7.30ish till 6ish - but I'm so conditioned to being woken up that I'm not sleeping well yet. And tbh, I just went with it - she was definitely hungry when she woke, would guzzle a bottle then go straight back to sleep - never attempted CC or anything remotely similar, and no regrets. Quite a lot of bags under my eyes, of course, but no regrets.

Indith, my BF finished uni when her first LO was a year old, and I was very impressed. You impress me too - think you are very entitled to pack a large bar of G&B to keep you going

Sorry for the sporadic posting lately. Life seems to be coming at me faster than I can handle it. I keep thinking that other women work, have kids and move without being totally disorganized - don't they???

Re: sleep - ds1 was a horrrrible sleeper! He woke twice at night until well past age 2 and still has nightmares from time to time that disrupt his sleep. Ds2 was somewhat better but with all the goings-on of the move he went back to twice-nightly wakings. Last night he only woke once around 12:30 and then slept until 6:30 and I felt like a new woman. First time I've had more than 2 or 3 hours in a row in ages

Lennied, if the flat spot concerns you at all it is time for a second opinion. Ds1 had a plagio problem and we were able to round it out without a helmet but the older they are the more likely you will have to go that route.

Okay, so the new house is about twice the size of our current one although much of the extra square footage is in the walk-out basement. I'm mainly excited about having a formal living/dining room that I am going to turn into a playroom for the boys. That way I can just shut the doors when company comes It was built in 1964 so a ranch style (mid-century modern). I'll be really glad not to run up and down stairs all day like I'm doing now - although that probably helped with losing the baby weight The other main attraction is the extra bathroom they added about 15 years after building the house. It's huuuge, has a jacuzzi and walk-in closet and I have claimed it for my own.

Oh, and good vibes to Oli's sis. As a two-time c-section veteran I'm not sure how much good they'll do though.

Hmm. Jacuzzi, eh? Walk-out basement. Child who sleeps for a whole 6 hours.

(And no, no one works, moves and has kids and manages to stay remotely sane!)

Can't wait to hear about Oli's sister!

Ahem. No one has kids and does anything and stays sane

Any news, Oli?

Jabber, your house sounds great - and you sound excited, which hopefully helps with the hard work part

Thank you Eli - that was what I was going to say, but I was afraid that I might be tarring everyone with the BP brush. I'm convinced that every other mother out there is far more together than I am!