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December 2007: It's all worth it for the smiles.

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claraquitetirednow · 08/02/2008 21:40

I've never started a new thread before - has this worked?

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Wizzska · 22/02/2008 13:03

Hi everyone. Some lovely pics coming up now ladies, so many smiley babies.

12 weeks for DS this Sunday. Aren't they supposed to start sleeping more? DS isn't although that might be because of the bogey manufacturing he seems to be doing at the moment. I think it wakes him up. DS usually wakes 2 or 3 times between 11pm and 7 am.

Anyone watch Emmerdale last night. I don't normally watch it but I found myself watching and worrying about DS.

skidaddle · 22/02/2008 13:12

hi all,

isn't mn great? there i was worrying about not losing weight and bf and then i log on and find everyone in the same boat or at least not telling me i'm mad

pics are all gorgeous - is it just me or do you find almost all babies beautiful? my dh often comments on 'ugly' babies and i am always appalled that he could think that

clara - hope you sorted things out with your dh. has he managed to change the dates? And do you know if you're going to Pakistan yet? I suppose the election result is positive in terms of you going? oh and congrats on potty training, isn;t it great not having to chnage both their nappies?

hi sushistar - love the name!

furry - your dr is a twunt. I would be tempted to say something. Imagine if you did have PND and you were asked that, what an insensistive idiot

ok question for mothers of 2 or more: do you find that your DH is much less attached to your new baby than you?are Sometimes I think DH doesn;t really love my baby DS and just finds him an irritation while he loves and adores DD. I know we as mothers are biologically programmed to nurture tiny babies and spend more time with them etc but sometimes it really upsets me to see how uninterested he is in DS. We've talked about it and he says it will just take time and he's not worried so I shouldn't worry either but of course I do... has anyone else had a similar experience and when will it change?

kelbel · 22/02/2008 13:13

gorgeous pics macdoo - so much hair...wish i could steal some for Flynn!

yep - watched emmerdale, thought it was well acted, but kind of wish id never watched it, v upsetting

suey2 · 22/02/2008 13:15

skid i think this with my newborn, although we have no older child. My mates with older children have commented on this, though- i guess it is just more difficult for them when they get less back?

claraquitetirednow · 22/02/2008 13:25

Hi Skid
Well my DH is still going away but luckily my parents will be around so I am going to stay with them for two nights. It's only a 4-day course this time so I will end up only having to do one night on my own. Or more accurately one of the dreaded 5 - 7 pms on my own, trying to juggle them both around feeding, baths and bedtime. Hopefully after this there will only be a few short courses.

As far as we know we are definitely still going. I heard today that his predecessor is leaving on 31 July so that might mean we will go out around a week or so before then in time for a handover. Which will mean my 40th birthday will be a couple of weeks after arriving - I only know one person out there so it might be a very small party

Am so glad to have got dd potty trained, although she is now obsessed with using the potty as she knows she gets chocolate and stars for doing it. How do you wean them off that??!! Anyway in a week we've only had two accidents (both pees) so I am very proud of her.

I think I know what you mean about dh not being as attached to the baby as we are. You are right that biologically we are programmed to protect the baby now and in a way I feel that dd1 can look after herself far more than she did before. However dh probably doesn't feel any different and might feel a little sorry for her therefore spends more time with her (IYKWIM). Inevitably as I am feedding dd2 I spend more time with her than dh so the bond is closer. But I am sure it will all even out eventually when the babies are older and more interactive.

I am very interested in the "biological" side of child-rearing and have found myself thinking about this a lot recently. In Ye Olden Tymes husbands wouldn't have been around very much and we would have had to spend more time with the babies so the older children would have had to start fending for themselves. Maybe that is why, now that I have another child, I feel less protective towards the first? Oh I don't think I am explaining myself very well am too tired as like Wizz's LO, dd2 has a snotty nose and kept me awake half the night and I am finding it hard to type let alone think

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claraquitetirednow · 22/02/2008 13:26

sorry horrendously long post and all a lot of waffle, have spent too much time without adult company this week so am using MN as a substitute husband....

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Bouncingturtle · 22/02/2008 14:40

All the babies are sooo gorgeous We should all be very proud of them.

DS is 9lb 9oz today, doing very well, bless his little cotton socks

claraquitetirednow · 22/02/2008 15:13

anyone else totally fed up of being covered in baby sick...she has just got me right down my ample cleavage....

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macdoodle · 22/02/2008 15:21

mines not that sicky TBH - now poo that is another matter .....

kelbel · 22/02/2008 17:07

mines not too sicky either but sooooooo dribbly! he can easily soak at least 1 top a day.

sushistar · 22/02/2008 18:50

Mine's just started being sicky - was spectacularly sick on my uncle when we wen to see him last weekend! It seems to go in phases - I wonder whether different things I eat get into the breastmilk and make him more sicky?

Wizzska, interested in what you said about them sleeping more at 12 weeks. DS is also 12 weeks on Sunday, and has been worrying me a bit by suddenly sleeping LOADS during the day as well as at night - a 2-3 hr nap am and pm. I don't know what to do with my time - he never even slept this much as a newborn! But he's feeding ok (if slightly less frequently) and seems happy and alret when he's awake. Hope he's ok - over-anxious 1st timer!

cazzybabs · 22/02/2008 19:28

Skid - dh def. not as interested in Evie as the other dds.

buzzybee · 22/02/2008 21:15

Skidaddle - I think there are quite a few parents both male and female who find they don't attach instantly to new babies. The mums worry about this but the dads just seem to assume it will get better later. I also think men are programmed to be more interested in active things! Can't comment this time of course!!

My LO only 8 weeks old tomorrow and also sleeping more ATM. Think it goes in phases. Yesterday she slept for about 3 hours in the morning and eventually woke her - but then only cat-napped all afternoon and consequently was in bed by 7pm {whispers - and slept through to 7am}.

Both DD1 and I have colds - hope DD2 doesn't get it but probably too much to hope for, and bye bye good nights sleep...

Caz10 · 22/02/2008 22:38

hi all, gorgeous pics!

dd is also sleeping quite a bit at the mo, and cos of all the worries over her weight gain (total lack of!) I am worried and waking her for feeds. grrr i wish she was bigger and then we could enjoy the sleep! 11wks old and i bet she is still smaller than the birthweight of some of yours...

anyway whinge over - just wanted to say how lovely it is having this group, it's great to hear how everyone else is getting on.

and do you realise, there will very soon be a "due in dec 08" group?! dh just reminded me tonight that it's coming up on a year to the night we reckon dd was conceived!

sushistar · 22/02/2008 23:45

apparently in china (or was it somewhere else?) they count babies ages from conception not birth. So our LOs are pretty much ONE YEAR! I think it's nice, I feel like I've known DS for far longer than 2.5 months...

macdoodle · 23/02/2008 08:40

woohoo am liking this routine - down at 8pm - quick feed at 3:30 (20mins eat burp sleep) - and woken by her ig sis at 7:30 - feed at 8am and playing happily on her mat while we eat - actaully had NINE (yes 9) hours sleep last night broken in 2 lots of 5 and 4....
Only downside is I thought my boobs (one side especially) was going to explode was so hard ....am going to express in min

becklespeckle · 23/02/2008 16:51

Hi all, hope you are all well! Will try to have a catch up but its been a busy week with appointments and stuff and last week was half term here so haven't had a lot of arse MN spare time! Evie is doing well, she has dropped off of her centile line a little but not too worried as think that is normal for BF babies, she looks healthy and is content which is what is important! Besides, if I try to get her to take more milk than she wants she just brings it back up again.

Had my 6 week check and it was pretty rubbish TBH, they told me my BP was very low (in fact it was slightly higher than my normal) and want me to get a blood test to see if I am still anaemic (probably). I asked about my SPD as I am still getting a lot of discomfort in my left hip when I walk a lot and a couple of people have asked me about it as they notice I walk a bit funny still. Doc wasn't much help though, don't think he even knows what SPD is! Suggested Chiropractor or Osteopath might help. Anyone know if it is okay to go while BF or if it is best to wait until hormones (esp relaxin) are normal?

Anyway, off to try and catch up with all your posts from the last week or so while I have a cup of hot chocolate!

loucee · 23/02/2008 20:10

Hi everyone

Buzzy, just wanted to say your DD is a star sleeper! She gets 1st prize in the sleeping stakes! I just read your posts and stop and think to myself what it must be like to get a full nights sleep again. However for us we won't expect it until around 15 months which is when DD consistently slept through

macdoodle, your wee one is gorgeous, what a lovely looking baby. She is doing great on the sleep front as well. Has your DD1 settled down a bit now or is she still saying things that make you sad?

beckle no idea about safety of going to chiro etc whilst bf. Would it be private or can they refer you on the NHS? Sorry to hear that you're still suffering with SPD.

Caz, that's really bizarre to think there will soon be a Due in Dec 08 club. I am bizarrely broody which is just so ridiculous as I am struggling with a 2yr old and 9wk old and vow not to have another one for years (if ever). A friend popped in tonight and he is one of 12 children, his sibling is just 7 months younger as he was born 3 months premature - could you imagine that!?

Kelbel - do you think your wee one is teething? My older sis got her first two teeth at 8 wks.

Skidaddle - I find DH makes a big effort with DS but not as often as he did with DD IYSWIM? As he works long hours he tries to have as much time as possible with DD and I think it's because he still sees DS as a newborn who doesn't do much yet. I'm not worried about it but yes it does make me a little sad sometimes as DS hears only my voice for pretty much 24/7.

buzzybee · 23/02/2008 20:39

Thanks loucee! Yes she's a little trooper. Not sure what I've done to be so lucky! Combination of temprament, no reflux/colic, second baby and possibly formula?? Actually have changed formula recently to one called Novalac AC from the pharmacy as I noticed she was a lot more windy when she had a formula bottle rather than EBM and she does seem more settled on that. Maybe optimism bias tho as it's about twice the price! Supposed to be formulated for babies with colic.

Beckle I know someone else who went to an osteo week 2-3 for SPD and she's BF. Didn't seem to be a concern as far as I know.

Macdoodle, just keep telling yourself how amazing you're doing. I'm not generally a great believer in that positive thoughts American waffle but I do find its helping me ATM. Having said that, harder to do when you're feeling low with a cold as well (feel a bit better today tho - maybe the heavy echinacea doses are kicking in!)

Sushistar funnily enough DD2 was conceived within a week of DD1's birthday so in a funny sort of way they're both coming up to a birthday then!

What happened on Emmerdale?!

macdoodle · 23/02/2008 20:54

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macdoodle · 23/02/2008 20:55

Sorry just reread that not appropriate for our thread which should be happy stories of our gorgeous babies - should I ask MN to remove do you think

buzzybee · 23/02/2008 21:17

Don't feel bad Macdoodle, I asked. This thread is also a place to talk about how we are feeling, good or bad.
Very sad for your MIL. I don't think the story-writers on these soaps consider how their stories might sometimes be very upsetting for people. I don't think we get Emmerdale in NZ any more - it used to be on about 4pm in the afternoon.

Another warm muggy day here. We have had the most amazing summer - best summer to choose to have maternity leave on in about 5 years! Off to the zoo shortly, have just taken a couple of panadol so hope I don't flag too much. Can have a quiet day tomorrow when DD1 at school

macdoodle · 23/02/2008 21:19

Lucky you its bloody frezing here
Know how you feel I love spending time with my 2 girls though breath an (inaudible) sigh of relief when DD1 is back in school

Bouncingturtle · 23/02/2008 21:48

No don't be sorry Macdoodle, good to share, your poor MIL.
I was nearly a SIDS victim, but my dad resuscitated me after I stopped breathing!
Have expressed a bottle, DH is going to try to give ds a bottle tonight, first time after a week, I've given him a size 1 and a size 2 teat to try and if they don't work going to try a different teat, I think someone (I forget who) suggested a nuby teat? Will it fit on my Closer to Nature bottle?

becklespeckle · 23/02/2008 23:55

Phew, finally caught up (in between feeds, dinner, clearing up and kids to bed!).

Clairey, bet you are relieved that your MIL has gone! You did well to bite your tounge, I would have struggled I think (and the sponge in the sink would have grated on me too). I also often find I have to hold DD between her last 2 feeds as she doesn't like to settle in the evenings (although she is fast asleep in her chair now). I also have the same prob with BF as you, my boobs are quite high and although they are a fair size while I am feeding I still have to lift my top right up so I tuck a cloth into my bra to catch drips on the feeding side and cover the jelly belly on the other!

Whizz, I agree with you about dummy vs thumb! Was a job to get DS2 to take a dummy but I eventually managed it, he kept it until he was 3.5 although only at night - I don't think it does them harm but it is an easier habit to break than thumb-sucking. DD doesn't like dummies at all, we tried quite a few before we found one she would take! She prefers fingers or nipple, quite likes her own thumb too when she can find it! Have to confess that I knew what was coming on Emmerdale and couldn't watch it - too sad (and scary).

Macdoodle, your poor MIL , of course you should talk about it on here too, it is a place for talking about whatever you are feeling.

Clara, you are not unreasonable at all, it is hard work to be left with the children, especially for 4-5 days! My DH is not a great help and doesn't do nappies or getting up in the night but at least he can sort out the older children at bedtime a couple of nights so I can have a rest (or more likely get on with something that needs doing). Re: your 40th, you will just have to have a HUGE party before you go away!

Caz, glad that your DD has put some weight on! at you having lost your weight! I am not too far off (about 10lb to go but always keep a bit on while BF so not overly worried). Like you I am also a different shape, my hips are still wider than they were before, further apart rather than fat though (DH is not complaining as he is a bum man...). Have to wriggle clothes over hips but can get most of my own trousers/jeans done up now (although can't sit down in all of them!).

Kelbel, my DD has a fair bit of hair although not as much as Macdoodle's DD! It is starting to fall out a bit though. My DSs were born with very little hair and it all fell out, DS2 was a baldy until well after 6 months!

Ambi, DD also loves the television and I confess to sometimes placing her playmat where she can see it .

Loucee, yay for DS being discharged! What a relief for you. Like you I was also incredibly broody after DS2 was born, I knew within a few days that I didn't want him to be my last baby. I have no such feeling this time, I just want to enjoy DD - I have done my bit for the human race! Re: chiropractor I am guessing I will have to go private, the GP had a complete lack of interest in it! When I asked if a chiropractor could help he said "probably, plus your spine might be out after the pregnancy so you should treat yourself" .

Hi Jo! Welcome to the thread, I don't know your area at all so no help with toddler groups but your HV should have a list of local ones. That is how I started at my first one with DS1, I was similar to you and alone a lot and toddler group was a godsend!

Sushistar, hi to you too! Know what you mean about the tummy, mine still does not look like it belongs to me - I am trying to pretend it does not exsist! Thankfully my BF boobs are taking the attention away from it at the moment, hopefully the tum will sort itself out a bit more before I stop! My DD also has a very random bedtime, in fact her whole 'routine' is very random! I tend to stay up until her last feed and then she will fall asleep feeding (as will I), then go into her cot when I wake up still propped up and holding her.

Skid, I have managed to master the one handed BF, have even managed to get up and answer the door doing it, am getting some decent muscles in my arms! Although embarrasingly I found some grated cheese in DDs neck where I had been feeding her and eating, thankfully it hadn't been there long . I am the same with my weight and food. I lost loads of weight straight off but now it has levelled out and have lost none for weeks, am always hungry too and like many others it is sweet stuff I am craving! I figure I must need the calories and there is plenty of time for dieting once I am not BF anymore. I find that DH is quite good with DD although perhaps that is because the boys are older. When DS2 was born he did not bond with him or even really pay him any attention until he was 6 months old or so, all his focus was on DS1. Now they are both older he gives them both equal attention and is no closer to one than the other. I agree with what Clara said too.

Bouncing, I always blub when they have their jabs, DD has her first in just over a week and am dreading it already! Glad your DS was good for his, makes it easier. Not sure about whether the Nuby teats fit the Closer to Nature bottles but very interested to know. Have not tried DD on a bottle yet but as the only dummies she will take are the Nuby ones they will probably be the best teats to try too. The bottles I have are the Closer to Nature ones I think, they came with the steriliser.

Well sorry for the monster post! Hopefully I will be able to get on a bit more now kids back at school and keep up with you chatty lot!