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RGPargy · 13/01/2008 18:48

Hey ladies! Our thread was getting a bit long so i started a new one. Hope you dont mind!

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RGPargy · 01/02/2008 17:59

Sparkly - What a brilliant weight!! Hoorah!!! I bet his little baby fat arm looks lovely!! He'll probably start filling out everywhere else now too.

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ChocolateHobnob · 01/02/2008 18:05

Good for Callum!

RG, what a crap day! How rude to just drive off, I hate that, and also to be driving while talking on the mobile and not paying attention when you have Ellie in the car - NOT FAIR.

Silk, how is Megan? I bet she will enjoy nursery. We've got a nursery for Rebecca eventually (full time) and it looks fab, probably better than hanging out with me all day...

Fiona, Anabel is doing so well!

Rebecca is thriving - she can lie on her tummy, lift up her head and look to the left or to the right depending on where you talk to her from. She's dead cute. She can also move (!) by swivelling madly and kicking. Bit scary when she ends up at the other end of the co-sleeper...

Inlaws here this weekend and they can be tricky. Lots of vino needed despite bf. I am a slummy mummy!

Happy Friday, all.

SparklyGothKat · 01/02/2008 18:05

RGP, didn't they do the jabs at the same time? when Callum had his, there was 2 nurses that done a jab each at the same time.

Pixiefish · 01/02/2008 18:12

fab news about Callum . Am slightly

RGP- my dh had a bump in my car before Christmas- insurance company wrote it off and paid me the cheque. Then they sent someone to collect it as it then becomes their property. Bit miffed as yesterday we found out that they weren't insured so I've lost my £100 excess

RGPargy · 01/02/2008 18:12

Choc - enjoy the vino. I'm joining you in that respect tonight!! It doesn't transfer into breast milk anyway so you'll be fine. The only time it'd transfer is if you had a serious SERIOUS bender and then the only effect it would have on baby is to make them a little drowsy. Thought i'd let you all know that because i was worried about having more than one glass of wine but now i can enjoy 2 or 3 and not worry.

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RGPargy · 01/02/2008 18:25

Sparkly - Nope, one nurse, one leg at a time. I'm glad she didn't the non-sting one first tho.

Pixie - my excess is £160! I think they can write it off and then just give you the salvage value. That way you get to keep (and repair or sell) the car but dont get the full value. Something like that anyway.

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SparklyGothKat · 01/02/2008 18:28

PF how much does your LO weigh now? Callum is almost 19 weeks old now. Still small though

littleoldme · 01/02/2008 18:28

Just a quick hello as I'm off out tonight so need to go and get sorted. can't wait.

Ds has slept through for the last 2 nights. I'm sure it won't last but it's nice whist it does.

RG- Give me her reg details. I know people who know people We saw someone do that at a service station. The police later told us that he's been sacked as he was in company car on company biz.

SGC Fab news about Callum. What an excellent weight.

DJ - Glad work is going well for you.

Silk - How's Megan's skin doing?

RGPargy · 01/02/2008 20:57

Hello LOM, how's tricks?! Any meetings with Choudru/ThisCharmingMum lately?

I might just very well give you her reg actually! However blueyonder email is down and i cant remember yours off the top of my head so email me over the weekend at rgpargy at yahoo dot com and i'll give you her reg. Bloody cow! (her, not you!)

Yes, Silk - how is Megan?

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RGPargy · 01/02/2008 20:59

Oh and enjoy your night out!! at DS sleeping through!

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Pixiefish · 01/02/2008 21:12

she's 9lb13oz SGK

SparklyGothKat · 01/02/2008 21:25

thats what callum was 2weeks ago. she is getting there.

LittleMissBliss · 01/02/2008 22:04

Fiona- I was approached to do the course. Its free, It last 6 weeks (3 hours each week) and you get a folder filled with loads of info on to back up what we've learnt at each session and more.

Sparky- I would wait until Callum shows interest in foods, it may be a few months later than 6 months. Because he was prem it may affect his ability to handle food safely and to digest a range of foods. I would advise to check with your health visitor before enbarking on this method.

Parents who formula feed should also consult their health visitor (explained bellow)

Baby Led Weaning (sorry very long but really interesting!)

Breastfeeding is recommended for the first six months of life. Breastfeeding babies feed at their own pace.

Breastfed babies also balance their own intake of food and fluid by choosing how long each feed should last. breasfeeding is essentially self-feeding, with the baby incontroll of the process, and because breastmilk changes in flavour according to the mothers diet. Breasfeeding prepares the baby for other tastes.

Bottle feeding seems to be more mother-led its difficult to make predictions about how bottle-fed babies will manage solids, so we need to be careful.

Won't he choke?

There is good reason to believe that babies are at less risk of choking if they are in control of what goes into their mouth than if they are spoon fed. This is because babies are not capable of intentionally moving food to the back of their throats until after they have learnt to chew. and they do not develop the ability to chew until after they have developed the ability to reach out and grab things.

a very young baby cannot easily put himself at risk because he cannot get the food in his mouth in the first place. On the other hand the action used to suck food off a spoon tends to take the food straight to the back of the mouth, causing gagging. This means that spoon feeding has its own potential to lead to choking - and makes giving lumpy foods with a spoon especially dangerous.

A baby who is struggling to get food into his mouth is probably not quite ready to eat it. It is important to resist the temptation to 'help' the baby in these circumstances since his own development abilities are what ensure that the transition to solid feeding takes place at the right time for him.

Ensuring good nutrition

Babies who are allowed to feed themsleves tend to accept a wide range of foods. This is probably because they have more than just the flavour of the food to focus on - they are expreiencing texture, colour, size and shape as well.

In addition, giving babies food seperately, or in a way that enables them to seperate them for themselves, enables them to learn about a range of different flavours and textures. And allowing them to leave anything they appear not to like will encourage them to be prepared to try new things.

The opposite appears to be true for a baby spoon fed, especially purees containing more than one flavour. In this situation the baby has no way of isolting any flavour he doesn't like and will tend to reject the whole meal. Since his parents can only guess which food is causing the problem, they risk more food rejection until they track it down. In the meantime, the baby learns not to trust food and the range of foods he will accept can become severely limited. This can lead to his overall nutrition being compromised.

Offering foods separately, but on the same plate allows the baby to make his own decisions about mixing flavours.

Fruit and vegetables are ideal, with harder foods cooked lighty so that they are soft enough to be chewed.

At first, meat is best offered as a large piece, to be explored and sucked; once the baby can manage to pick up and release fistfuls of food, minced meat works well! Note: Babies do not need teeth to bite and chew - gums do very well!!

A Good guid of size and shape needed is the size of your baby's fist, with one important extra factor to bear in mind: Young babies cannot open their fist on purpose to release things . this means that they do best with food that is chip-shaped or has a built-in 'handle' (like the stalk of a piece of broccoli). They can then chew the bit that is sticking out of their fist and drop the rest later - usually while reaching for the next interesting-looking piece. As their skills improve less food will be dropped.

What about drinks?
The fat content of breastmilk increases during a feed. A breastfed baby recognizes the change and uses it to control his fluid intake. If he wants a drink, he will tend to feed for a short time, perhaps from both breasts, whereas if he is hungry he will feed for longer. This is why breastfed babies who are allowed to feed whenever they want for as long as they want do not need any other drinks, even in hot weather.

This principle can work throughout the period of changeover to family meals if the baby continues to be allowed to breastfeed 'on demand'. A cup of water can be offered at meals as part of the opportunity for exploration but there is no need to be concerned if he doesn't want to drink any.

Feeding 'on demand' will have the added advantage of allowing the baby to decide how and when to cut down his breastmilk intakes. As he eats more at shared mealtimes, so he will 'forget' to ask for some of his breastfeeds, or will feed less long at a time. There is no need for the mother to make these decisions.

Formula milk has the same consistency throughout the feed. If the formula-fed baby were to be given milk as his only fluid he would be at risk of either not getting enough fluid. or of consuming too many calories, or both. Parents who are implementing this method of introducing solids with a bottle-fed baby should therefore offer their baby water at regular intervals once he is seen to be aeting small quantities of food. They are advised to consult their health care adviser on how this shoud be managed.

Pheeeeeeeeeeeew nearly finished ladies....

DO's and DON'Ts

I'm just going to take a little break then i'll add these!

SparklyGothKat · 01/02/2008 22:38

I spoke to my HV today and she said that I should wait till Callum is about 7 months. And that we shouldn't use purees and should go straight onto finger food (I think she has heard of BLW lol)

LittleMissBliss · 01/02/2008 22:47

I hope this does help people, i'm not preaching at all or trying to push my views, I just found it really helpful.

DO offer your baby the chance to participate whenever anyone else in the family is eating. You can begin to do this towards the end of the sixth month. around this time most babies start showing an interest in watching you.

DO ensure that your baby is supported in an upright position while he is experimenting with food. In the early days you can sit him on your lap, facing the table. Once he is begining to show skills at picking food up he will almost certainly be mature enough to sit, with minimal support, in a high chair.

DO start by offering foods that are baby-fist-sized, prefably chip-shaped. As far as possible, and provided they are suitable, offer him the same food that you are eating, so that he feels part of what is going on.

DO offer a variety of foods. There is no need to limmit your baby's experience with food any more than you do with toys.

DON'T hurry your baby. Allow him to direct the pace of what he is doing. In particular, don't be tempted to 'help' him by putting things in his mouth for him.

DON'T expect your baby to eat any food on the first few occasions. Once he has discovered that these new toys taste nice, he will begin to chew and, later, swallow.

DON'T expect a young baby to eat all of each piece of food - remember that he won't yet have developed the ability to get at food which is inside his fist.

DO try rejected foods again later - babies often change their minds and later accept foods they originally turned down.

DON'T leave your baby on their own with food.

DON'T offer foods wich present an obvious danger, such as peanuts.

DON'T offer 'fast' foods, ready meals or foods that have added salt or sugar.

DO offer water from a cup but don't worry if your baby shows no interest in it. A breastfed baby is likely to continue for some time to get all the drink he needs from the breast.

DO be prepared for the mess! A clean plastic sheet on the floor under the high chair will protect your carpet and make clearing up easier. It will also enable you to give back foods that have been dropped, so that less is wasted. (You will be pleasantly surprised at how quickly your baby learns to eat with very little mess!)

DO continue to allow your baby to breastfeed whenever he wants, for as long as he wants. Expect his feeding pattern to change as he starts to eat more of the other foods.

(If you are bottle feeding, or have a family history of food intolerance, allergy or digestive problems, DO discuss this method of introducing solids with your health advisers before embarking on it.)

Finaly, sorry it took so long.....DO enjoy watching your baby learn about food - and develop his skills with his hands and mouth in the process!

LittleMissBliss · 01/02/2008 22:57

Sparkly did you find the essay info interesting, or did you know most of it allready? I'm glad your health visitor is up to date with BLW i think its sounds great and allows your baby to take control and learn new skills!
Callum weight is great I guess all his extra feeding was a growth spurt!

SparklyGothKat · 01/02/2008 23:02

It was very helpful bliss thanks. I was so worried about weaning Callum in 7 weeks, but now I have been told to leave it until he is ready, I can relax a bit

Pixiefish · 01/02/2008 23:03

ta lmb. very useful

jetgirl · 01/02/2008 23:44

RG - I get so about people who use their phones when driving, even more so since we've had the children, it just shows a total lack of respect for other road users I think. Let's hope the police nick 'er (and don't even get me statred on cyclists on pavements - grrr!)

Sparkly - Callum is catching up with my little bruiser nicely, you've done brilliantly!

silk and Choc - my DD loves nursery and she's been going for 2 years now, and I'm sure it has helped her develop into the sociable little girl that she is. I'm sure your girls will thrive

I wish I could have more vino, but it must do funny things to my milk as it makes William grumpy if I have more than half a glass, it's the only thing that does affect him which is a bit annoying! However, now I've started expressing it won't be a problem - yay! DH gave William his first bottle of EBM yesterday, it took William a while to get the hang of it and I think I'll try a faster teat next time, but he did alright. I'm stocking up the freezer as I'm going out next Friday night. DD was most bemused by the sight of me expressing, she told me it was William's milk and to stop!

silkcushion · 02/02/2008 00:06

very interesting Bliss thanks

Megan update - skin is still pretty bad but changeable. Today is a bad day. I spoke to a herbalist in the phone who recommended I try chamomile. Said to try Kamillosan ointment as it is chamomile based and said to offer her cooled chamomile tea (not sure about this one though)

I had a meeting with my boss this morning to discuss a few things before returning to work. Short notice arranged last night - told him I would have to bring dd as had no one to look after her. I said she'd probably be asleep. Not only was she awake but she screamed for a feed and then pooed horrendously - not just a nappy change but a total explosion requiring the spare clothes I carry. An hour later (still in the meeting) she did it again covering the emergency clothes this time. It was a good meeting but I ended up with a baby naked save for her nappy - who carries two changes of clothes?

My boss was great actually. He is trying very hard to be understanding re work/life balance. Is altering my area to reduce the travelling I will need to do. He is going to try and change my laptop to one with some sort of wireless connection (at the mo I have to use dial up at home which crashes and takes ages). He said he is happy for me to pick dd up at 5 and work after I've put her to bed. Told him I was concerned re first day back next week. Have a meeting in Bristol (which can take over an hour in rush hour traffic) at 9.30 but can't drop dd until 8am. When I explained I couldn't just dump her and drive off cos it was her first day and I'd have to cry in the carpark for 1/2 hour - he laughed and then said get to the meeting whenever I could. Very lucky to have a good boss - previous one was a tosser

BIG NEWS - Megan is in her room tonight. Moved her cot earlier. So far she has gone down at 7pm like a dream, had to wake her at 10.30 for a feed and she's gone back down again. She seems happy but I'm Our room looks empty and I feel miserable that I can't lie in bed and look at her little sleeping face Never mind I'll be in there at 4.30am probably - my great little sleeper has started waking in the night for an extra feed! She must be having a growth spurt cos I'm feeding her loads more in the day as well - actually she's possibly just catching up after not feeding well when ill.

silkcushion · 02/02/2008 00:08

RG - forgot to say on yr behalf at stupid cow who hit you - hope the police track her down.

Jet - I think you're right about nursery. Glad yr dd enjoys it and hope mine does too.

ara · 02/02/2008 21:51

RG - my insurance company wrote off my car after some tosser broke into it by bending the front doors open !!

My Dad then told me the garage would most likely just fix it and sell the car or use it for parts - either way making a profit - i had a few choice words on the phone with them and hey presto - the car was delivered back to me within the hour and i just got a local guy to mend it for pennies. Might be worth a bit of ranting??

I was 30 on Thursday and DP practically ignored my birthday. Feeling very and .

silkcushion · 02/02/2008 22:22

Happy birthday Ara - just think from next year on you'll have little baby excitedly singing happy birthday and making you hand made rubbishy cards

skirmish · 02/02/2008 22:27

hello- just poking my nose in here...ds2 was born in novemeber so just checking your thread out

but, while i'm here silkcushion (and apologies for being so forward, i haven't even read the entire thread!) but i know that you can use cooled chamomile tea for nappy rash so may of some use to your dd's skin...

silkcushion · 02/02/2008 22:34

hello Skirmish
congrats on ds2. Maybe a silly question but how does chamomile tea help nappy rash? ? Do they drink it or bathe in it? I'm hanging my head in ignorant shame