Nov 2007..... Once we pop, we will not stop!!!

[sparklygothkat]

I can finally start this, as someone else has had her baby.. woohooo!

SparklyGothKat - 25 Sep (8 Nov) BOY - Callum Eden
KaylaBMummy ? South Wales - 18 Oct (8 Nov) GIRL - Katie

Hi geek I wondered where you had been. Jarm hope daniel is better now and you have gotten over your shock. Sparkly sorry to hear callum is still not putting on much weight it must be worrying for you.

Anabel kept us up until nearly 2am last night after crying for about 6 hours. She must have been having a growth spurt as she wanted to feed hourly or more during that time. My nipples and nerves suffered. Dh was amazing and very supportive and he had to work today- bless him.

hi all so nice to hear your baby news and chat - knowing that others are dealing with the same issues is keeping me sane! .

adam has developed an aversion to his moses basket and just wants to be held all the time which is fine during the day but nighttimes are becoming urgghh! especially as he seems to cluster feed in the evenings. anyone else experiencing this?

yes, the same but different !! LOL.
DS feeding oodles during the day, won't be put into basket even when you know he is fast asleep !! but then night goes 5 hours between feeds !! bless him.

So , mw says can't have him settled all the time, if he doing well half the day, then then other half he is catching up on feeds....

i suppose that makes sense! i keep thinking that his moses basket doesn't look v.comfy but too scared to go againsr cot-death advice. i would rather fall asleep on someone's warm chest than in cold basket too!

Sarah - someone suggested warming the basket a bit with a hot water bottle before putting the baby in and it helped a bit with Rebecca. TBH though she doesnt go to sleep on her own, only on top of one of us or in her swing, then we move her to the basket when she's in deep sleep and floppy.

Clusterfeeding in the evening: yes same here. It helps her sleep at night though so I'm all for it.

OMG - JARM, I was reading the other thread with my heart in my mouth! So glad Daniel is recovering. It must be so upsetting - it's bad enough worrying about the day to day issues, never mind breathing problems.

Sparkly - sorry to hear Callum didn't put on as much weight as you wanted. Is he on the same percentile as he was when he was born?

Sarahlou - Sara is a fusspot when it comes to being put down in her moses basket during the day - although she is ok at night (she does fuss for a few minutes but I ignore her and she settles down).

We tried her in a bouncer which she seems to prefer - I think because she is more upright and can look around. Also the vibrate on it seems to sooth her.

She has been crying all evening for the past 3 evenings (although she hasn't started it tonight yet hopeful emoticon). But then sleeps well afterwards - no idea what that's all about. Maybe wind?

She does give me around 5 hours sleep at night though, which means I feel much more able to deal with her being demanding in the day.

Took DS to a local soft play centre today with DH and Sara. DS had a ball and Sara was okay as long as I held her. Feeling a bit more confident about being out with her now.

Loopy - impressed at you're feeding in the church. I guess no-one could really give you disapproving looks in there!

I am VERY over my shyness of bfeeding in public. I agree with Loopy et al that I wouldn't feed Sara anywhere I wouldn't be happy to eat. To be honest, I don't feel embarrassed about it at all in front of strangers, but would be more self concious in front of male members of the family. Don't mind doing it in front of my brothers but would be hesitant in front of BILS.

As long as you are discreet, then I can't see why anyone would have a problem with it. I don't agree with the militant bfeeders who want to whip out their mammeries in public in full view, but if you use a muslin cloth or blanket to cover yourself, most people won't care or even notice.

RG - I heard about some gel pads you can get to put in your knickers to relieve stiches pain. You put them in the fridge (hygiene issue!) and then put the cool pad in your undies. Apparently you can get from mothercare I think.

Our NCT teacher also suggested a condom filled with ice?!!!! WTF!?!!

I wonder how LOM is? I miss her

sarahlou - right there with you on the moses basket issues. megan kept me up almost all last night. not cos of feeding. she can go 6 hrs at night but won't go in her basket anymore. think maybe she's too big for it. ended up chucking dh out of bed and bringing her in. i've got visions of that being the case when she's 5. aaarggh

have moved big cot into room tonight and have been trying to settle her in it since 7.30pm - i'm typing 1 handed so you can tell how well it's going.

think some of the problem is my diet. hadn't thought what it would do to my breastmilk. last 3 nights have had curry, chilli and spicy fajitas. megan is farting like a trouper. our bedroom is like the campfire scene in blazing saddles. it clearly distresses her as she screams . must only eat bland food from now on.

No choudru, he was born on the 50th percentile, weighing 4lb 8oz (a very good weight for 33+ weeks) but now he is below the 0.4th percentile and weight 6lb 6oz at nearly 11 weeks old.

Jarm - hope Daniel is recovering well. How worrying for you!!

Sparkly - Sorry Callum isn't putting on much weight If he's at least putting on something every week that's gotta be better than losing, hasn't it?

Loopy - well done for getting to church AND b/f there too!

Geek - I've been putting witch hazel on my pads which is very cooling and seems to be helping alot. I am trying my best to remember my pelvic floors - i think this is what makes me feel a bit "odd" down there when i'm sitting on the loo so i'm constantly doing them in order to stop this horrid feeling!

Choudru - gel pads in the fridge, eh? I spose you could put them into freezer bags first? However, if it's that cold it'll probably sting and would be more uncomfortable! That's what i've found anyway when i've tried to soothe myself with cold compresses after a wee (sorry if TMI)
PMSL @ condom with ice!!!!!!!

I gave Ellie her first bath yesterday and got water on her umbilical stump. Ever since then it's been a tiny bit gooey at her belly button and is smelling a bit too. Do you think i should bathe it with salt water or leave it to try and dry up on its own. The stump is almost ready to fall off now and is hanging on by a thread so maybe it'll heal itself when it's fallen off??? Anyone else had this??

DP and I also ventured out with Ellie today - my first time leaving the house since Monday! It was nice to get back to a bit of normality, i have to admit. We only went to PILs so i still felt quite secure and cocooned, which was nice. Ellie slept the entire way in her car seat and stayed asleep for the visit, even when we got her out of the seat for a bit too. She was so sleepy that i had to really try and wake her up for a feed otherwise she'd have kept on sleeping! Such a contrast to the last few days when she's been quite collicky. I've been using Infacol (today's the third day) and also trying to wind her more too and today is the first day that she doesn't seem to be in pain. I wonder if it's the Infacol or the winding? I hope she stays calm and settled for tonight!

Silk - didn't think about the curry issue!!!

another dreadful night - ideas anyone?

Not waking for food. Megan took 5oz at 7pm and the same again at 10.30pm. Settled relatively well in her cot but kept waking and sounding like she was straining. Terrible wind from both ends!!

I spent from midnight til 2am resettling her everytime she had wind. She would fall asleep with some soothing from me (stroking her head and saying sshhh) but wake again with 5 minutes with more wind.

Gave up at 2am and brought her into bed with me. She fell asleep well on my chest but still kept waking with wind throughout the night. I've no idea how much sleep I got but I was aware of seeing every hour on the alarm clock (plus I don't sleep fully if she's on my chest).

We given infacol (and did again last night). If you saw my earlier post I think it maybe what I ate getting into my breast milk. I threw all the milk away that I had expressed and gave formula for the 10.30pm feed but that obviously didn't improve anything.

I'm not sure what else to try - she did seem very distressed and will probably be exhausted today. All ideas welcome

Sorry silk - no advice, is she pulling her knees up to her chest and crying a lot? If so I would suspect colic or reflux.

THanks for the well wishes everyone, Daniel is a lot better, but my god he scared the living daylights out of me! He is such a good boy though so I cant complain too much, he sleeps well, feeds for no more than 15 mins at a time but often, and generally is a good baby! Only woke at 2am last night (been down since 10pm) and woke again at 6am.

Guessing he is getting himself into a 4hrly routine already - shame it isnt like that during the day!

yes Jarm she is pulling her knees up to her chest but not crying so much as growling/straining. I thought colic happened in the evenings?

Glad to hear Daniel's doing well - must have been terrifying. SOund slike the A&E staff were fab.

Morning everyone

My GOD!!!! What a horrible night i had!!! I sympathise with you Silk!!

I think last night was the worst night's sleep i've had! Ellie had a terrible night, with either wind or just wanting to be held.

She'd slept really really well during the day and had her "last" evening feed at 11.30pm. I think i finally hit the sack at about 1am and she woke up at 2am, fed for an hour and then basically wouldn't settle at all. Every time i put her in her basket and got into bed, she would cry so i had to pick her up and wind her again so that she would settle. Put her back in her basket, got back into bed - cue baby crying as soon as my head hit the pillow! Pick up baby, sooth away the wind, put back in basket and get into bed, baby cries immediately - repeat until about 5.30am. I'm exhausted!!!!!! It got to the point at 5am when i was picking her up and tears streaming down my face from tiredness! So frustrating that i couldn't do anything for her, poor little mite.

DJarm - so pleased Daniel is making a good recovery. What a frightener!!!

Right, Ellie's just woken again - time for a fed. Speak in a bit guys!

Oh and Silk, i've been trying the infacol too as Ellie seems to have the same problem but apparently it's also normal for babies to cry when they are straining to have a poo.

Poor Megan Silk! And poor you of course, you must be knackered. I hope whatever was irritating her tummy has passed through.

Glad Daniel is OK JARM. My best friend had to call an ambulance when her baby was having breathing difficulties last week and it turned out to be acid reflux but didn't half give her a fright!

Re the moses basket aversion (thanks for the hot water bottle tip btw Chocolate) - I read on another thread about rolling up a bath towel in a sausage shape and placing it around the inside edge of the basket so the baby feels more secure and it seems to have done the trick. I still can't put him down until he is in a deep sleep but the towel stops his arms from banging on the sides of the basket. I have also thought about starting to put him in his cot Silk - the basket is already looking on the small side.

Well maybe TMI but my right boob is rock solid today and Adam finding it v.difficult to feed from there is a bit too much milk. Will have to resort to milking myself if he doesn't wake up soon!

Thanks to those of you who are encouraging re feeding in public. Every time we have taken Adam out he has stayed asleep but I am getting geared up for the first time.

Congrats on Ellie's first trip out RG - it is nerve-wracking isn't it and a good idea to go somewhere warm and cosy. We were invited out for tea last night to a very busy pub and I chickened out - not quite ready for that kind of environment just yet.

Well hope you all have a nice day, the health visitor is coming shortly so I must go and make myself look presentable!

x-posts - sorry re your crap night RG - at 5 in the morning you really feel at the end of your tether don't you? Hope you have a chilled day today.

Silk and RG - poor you two, you must be exhausted. Sara has had a couple of nights like that - one particularly bad one. Other than infacol I don't have much to suggest. I was pretty clueless when Sara was behaving the same way.

If it's any comfort, she seems to have settled down into a night time routine now at 4.5 weeks. Mind you she does spend 3 hours crying with wind every evening before knocking herself out for a long sleep. She sleeps for 6 hours, feeds for 15 mins and then 3/4 hours more sleep.

Doesn't want putting down in the day though - so i den up holding her when i can or she's in her bouncer vibrating away.

I was exactly like you when Sara was keeping me up all night - sat there trying to soothe her with tears streaming down my face.

I feel for you, but this too shall pass

Got to go and make myself and living room look presentable. Got a bride-to-be coming this afternoon to discuss her henna requirements. Got to start advetising again now to ensure I get a decent amount of bookings for the summer wedding season...at least I now have a daughter to practise on

By the way - those of you who are expressing: how much milk are you supposed to produce? I have just expressed for 20 mins with an electric pump and only produced 35ml.

It seems a bit woeful. Is it because breasts aren't as full as they would have been first thing in the morning?

I remember producing more than this when i was expressing 5-6 times a day for DS when he was in special care.

Any tips?

choudru - i deliberately left out the fact that at 5am i had tears streaming down my face!!

Ha ha, found you all
Although not sure I should be posting really because Ethan is a Dec baby

He is fab. Very contented, feeds alot, poo's for Engalnd but never really cries.
DD is besotted and ds is a changed boy! He's gone from a clingy mummys boy to an independant happy little thing and he is so sweet with Ethan, giving him toys and bits of food off the floor
I feel great too. No stitches, so I can actually walk and sit!

Hope everyone else is ok. I've had a quick scan through.

DJARM, glad he's better now. That must have been frightning.

Silk, I'm wondering if Megan might have Silent Reflux. Rather than her actually vomiting she gets all the acid and wind.
I'd speak to your HV if they are any good, if not just go straight to your GP.
We were very luckywith ds1 in that his Reflux was diagnosed very quickly and our HV is fab so she didnt mess about and we had ds on some prescription formula and an appt to see a specialist in no time.

Right off to upload a piccie now for you all

YAY NBG!!!

Dont leave us, you are one of us really!!

Glad all seems to be going well with Ethan, Daniel is a good baby too.

Sorry to those who have had bad nights, but Daniel slept 9.30pm - 2am and then 2.30am til 6am.

Im lucky I know, but he isnt sleeping much during the day unless he is in his car seat and of course then i worry a bit he is in it too much!

DH just taken DD1 and Daniel out (school run) and then is going to Morrisons so I can have a rest as DD2 will fall asleep any minute!

Take care all of you, I know its hard going but we are all in it together. We are here to support each other and muddle through the best we can!!!

I could do with a sleep too.
Dh just taken dd to pre school and then has nipped into work for a xmas buffet lunch thing and ds is having a nap.
I dare bet as soon as my head hits the pillow, Ethan will have other plans

Hello Mums and a sniff at all the babes

Feeling a bit shattered as Ollie was really fussy and restless from 4pm to nearly midnight last night, he wouldn;t go down at all, then he awoke at 2.00, then 4.00 then 6.00, will try and have a nap, but my time is precious and i want to catch up on lots of things. Its reassuring to know that we all going thru the sime kin of thing with our babies

RG Pargy - Sorry you had a bad night with Ellie, don't mean to sound patronising but are you sure its wind, Ollie is great during day and once he has gone to sleep at night is fine, however between around 18.00 and 22.00 and 23.00 he will not go down, he's on and off my boobs, asleep for 5 mins then up again and really whingey, apparently its really common for babies to be restless at this time. i did think it was wind or something but only after spending the time walking him up and down, and patting his back and rocking him we realised he was just overtired and wound up. With our DS1 we started putting him down in moses basket in bedrrom, he would howl and scream but after taking advice from Baby Whisperer book we left him to cry a bit and would then comfort him, then he would cry, and again we would leave him for a bit and them comfort him, and by day 3 he would go down no problem !!!. Anyway we have tried this with Ollie and have had some success, he will scream and its horrible to hear and listening to your baby cry for anything more than 5 minutes seems inhumane, but eventually after leaving him and them comforting for a couple of cycles he'a down for the night. I'm not saying this is the perfect way, (and last night he wouldn't settle at all, and ended up falling asleep on my chest in bed) but overall it does seem to work, its get them used to being put down for the night and gets them into routine, it is a different ball game with Ollie tho' as he is BF, and DS1 was premature and on a bottle and seemed a lot more routine.

RE: breast feeding, Ollie would also latch onto my left breast perfectly but not on my right (perhaps soemthing to do with me being left handed) i ended up with an extremely painful nipple, anyway i persevered and used the rugby ball technique with right nipple till it healed and now it seems to be fine, i got an L shaped pillow from Rosebys for 7.99 and its great !! has really made a difference with feeding and also just really comfy for leaning back on and falling asleep.

Choudru - i'm also trying to express one bottle of milk per day to get Ollie used to bottle, (he hates it and will take a little but keeps gagging )i use a hand pump which seems just as effective, i think the amount of milk you produce is to some extent dependent on what time of day it is, i know the evening you have less milk but apparently it is higher in fat content (according to BF counsellor) I would say morning is def the best time to express

Had my first embarrasing moment in Sainsburys this am, i dropped DS off at nursery and then chanced it for shopping trip tho' i hadn't yet fed ollie, anyway upshot is that he howled so i had to carry him round supermarket and shop one handed, then when i got to till i had a massive wet patch over left breast when i got to till where i had leaked

anyhoo i'm off not to try and have a nap, and maybe fit in some internet crimbo shopping

take care
Lxxx

Just off to take dd2 to be weighed to see if she's put any weight on. Really worried incase she hasn't