March 2007 - where the babies all get feisty and we "make rods for our own backs" or develop arms like a trucker!

[Mossy]

Couldn't help it!

Have to say there is one major advantage of Bertie still feeding like a newborn... the old Mooncup's getting dusty by now...

Mossy you are such a hippy ...and what is biological nurturing?

I should be tidying the house...it is a pit, I feel sick with tiredness. Just stuffed my face with chocolate to try and get a lift.
My bro-in-law from England is calling today which is really good, he hasn't met Hasan yet (we are long overdue visiting them)

But the house, car, children, myself are all in messy chaos and I'm feeling as if I can't cope. I am sososo tired...they were all up last night...groan.....

Rosy, because you're an artist you can say the house is your latest installation to explain its less than pristine state . Mine's in a dire state too if that's any consolation.

Yes Mossy, what is biological nurturing? Beyond bfing, I can't imagine what it could be!

Piff, I was wrong about the cause of Jordi's pain the other night. Yesterday two more bottom teeth had poked through.

I went to see some friends' 12 day old baby last night to lend them a breast pump. Tiny!!!! I mean he's not, he was about 8lb4 at birth but still. Can't believe Jordi was half that!

Bella, you are so right. I just need to do it.

i was so when CV and that other woman were saying having a baby in bed while you are having snoosnoo would cause psychological problems!i mean,you are hardly going to be at it with whips and gimp masks for the first few months.i think depriving a baby of affection and ignoring its needs would cause far more damage than that.

i dont know how anybody sleeps with a baby in the bed,though.i put Elsie in the bed with us this morning to feed her(cos i was cold)and i dozed off and woke to hear dh saying 'stop kicking me'.Elsie was booting him in the ribs and scratching his face.

bella-i used SMA for ds1 and dd1,and they were constantly hungry and constipated.it reminds me of mcdonalds food in that it doesnt fill you up,and its only popular and sells well due to dodgey advertising methods,not because its good quality.

mossy-i always had an image of you being a smart,posh business woman type when you first came to this thread.my first impressions are often wrong.

Families in more "primitive" cultures all sleep together and of course they would have done so in this country many moons ago. It kept people warm and safe. I hardly think they worried about the kids when they were having sex. infact perhaps if we ,as a nation, were less prudish about sex then there wouldn't be so many teenage pregnancies. (call me Sherlock)

kitty-did you see that porn thread?i coulnt read the whole thing as it was so long.
i think i better stick to facebook tonight.i have found a group for people who worked at the butlins i was working at when i got pregnant with ds1

am having horrible time- baby was put on antibiotics today 'cause of his cough. he is having a nightmare and can't sleep for coughing and not being able to breathe. have been running hot taps for steam, but doesn't help. he is exhausted and can't sleep. dh at work and am so scared he will get worse. am convinced his litle chest is really labouring and dipping in. am doing v well not to panic, i want to run in circles but have baby sobbing into my shoulder

sponge-if you think his breathing is laboured or too fast then take him back to the doctor/hospital or get the emergency doctor out.

is he feeding ok?is he crying?crying is good,it clears their lungs.is there anyone else who can be there with you if you're worried you're being paranoid?

if you are worried about him then go with your gut feeling.

Had my 20 week scan today and all is well

We asked the sex and the sonographer looked.....its a girl...oh wait it could be a boy....no I think its a girl;.lol.
She told us to confirm sex at next scan and if we buy anything to keep receipts at the moment

Hiya Shanks thanx for the update and glad all is well with your new LO How exciting not quite knowing the sex - will you be having another scan then?

Sponge so sorry to hear about DS's chest - is he any better? He'll probably start to improve tomorrow after ABs kick in

Hi Snoo - what do you think of Aptimil? (very intersting what you say about SMA). Monti loves taste but it does't fill him up at all

MrsS - you are so right (as usual) Brits are so screwed up about sex, lots of post Vistorian hang ups - think its "dirty" hence lie about it, feel guilty about it etc - its very sad. Why should it be bad to have sex next to a sleeping baby FGS - how did they get there in the first place? Sex isn't dirty - well not the way I do it anyway LOL [too tired for dirrrrty sex emoticon]

Morning all, been up since half five with non-sleeping baby... not crying, just not sleeping!

So came downstairs for coffee and thought while I'm here just a little MN won't hurt...

Sponge that must be really scary, second what Snoo says, if you're worried call out the emergency Dr or go to the hosi; if nothing's wrong it will at least put your mind at rest and everyone will understand your worries!

Rosy / Callie: biological nurturing; right, basically this is lying back on lots of pillows, or leaning back in a comfy chair, and putting a baby on your chest. Until about six weeks of age babies have reflexes that allow them to find the breast themselves. It's all in the feet; you play with their feet while they're lying on you, and their little heads bob up and down across your chest until eventually... BAM! They open their mouths wide and take in a gulpful of boob.

And I actually saw it happen in rl! Amazing!!

Snoo lol at smart posh business woman. Although I did used to be a lot smarter and more business-y before I had Bertie... but I was also more of a wanker too. Although how wankey does it sound to say, "motherhood really changed me" ?

I do agree that we have too many hang-ups about sex, that it's something wrong and to feel guilty about...

Shanks pmsl at your scan - it's like Schrödinger's cat isn't it?! Do you think you'll have another scan?

Right another coffee, clean my teeth... then take Bertie back to bed, see if he'll sleep!!

Well for the last few nights Ronnie has been waking at 4.30 and not going back to sleep

Sponge, I hope the ab's have kicked in by now and that lo is a bit better.

Shanks, my ex mother's help had her first baby a couple of days ago. They had told her that is was def a boy so she had bought all boy stuff etc. etc. She had a girl!!!

Mossy I've seen something on youtube where a mother is lying in a bath and her newborn finds her boob by inching its way up her body. It wasfascinating to watch but I thought it was a bit cruel tbh. I mean it's hardly a reflex they need anymore. I didn't like watching such a tiny baby struggle and get a bit distresed.

Snoosnoo, I didn't look in on that thread, I did see the title though. Yes it was very long wasn't it?

Hiya

Mossy poor you - had you been on here for 2 hrs this morning then?

I used to let DS1 find the boob - he had an amazingly strong and sometimes alarming nodding action, where he would bash his nose against me while his lips tried to find the boob. It was very animalistic and very determined. When baby kangaroos are born they climb up their mummies' tummies on their own, clinging onto her fur and find the nipple

MrsS - that does sound a bit cruel. You'd think any Mum would have given her baby a helping hand by pushng his/her feet up. After all we do have arms to help us don't we? And however "natural" we are being, we have no fur for the baby to cling onto to help it climb?

....well unless you count the ginger poodle on my lap that is

Foxy

Sponge how are things? Better I hope.

When Hasan was born he cried and I immediately plonked him on the boob but he was too busy crying to suck. He soon settled but it might have been nice to give him a chance to stop crying first and find his own way. I was really keen to comfort him after the shock of being born!

Shanks it is lovely to hear of your progress. I wonder if the baby is a boy or girl!
Kitty was your ex helper cross about the mistake? Or just delighted with her new baby?

As I was waking this morning Hasan was falling out of bed and getting muddled up in the bedside lamp wire.

oops I mean MrsS of course

Rosy I don't know. She was all set for a home birth as well and had an em sec, so I'm sure the whole business will have shocked her really!

[hic]

hi there, thanks snoosnoo for your help. he is crying loads which is awful as he's usually a jolly soul. he won;t have solids anymore, just bf. he is trying to be jolly- he plays and wriggles about, then coughs and bursts into tears. he isn;t one for sleeping at the best of times, so now its a bit harder to get him off, esp as he wakes up with the coughing.

fingers crossed it goes quickly. My dh is worried sick as well, but at work again, and its busy tonight. it would be. there isn't anyone i can ask to come over- we just moved here and its out in the sticks a bit, and i don;t really know anyone enough who might be any use. think would just call the doc

when he was born the midwife jammed him onto my boob and held him there! fine by me, i was traumatised from cs surgery and kept going unconscious with blood loss.

oh god he is awake again

God sponge you poor thing

Why don't you call the GP first thing Monday morning and keep him all warm until then? Don't worry if he's off solids as long as he is drinking. have you got any meds to give him? (calpol, infant nurofen etc)

Have my drinking book club today [hic!!]

...and a new lodger moving in

Foxy, enjoy a drinkie! Hope the new lodger behaves him/herself.

Sponge, it's horrible when babies are ill.

It is very normal for them to go off solids completely though. At least you know he is getting good nourishment to help him fight the bugs. Ronnie has had bouts of horrible coughing which have distressed him and woken him up, dd3 has had it too .

I second the idea of phoning the doc tomorrow if you don't feel he's improving and they can check him over,{{hugs}} to you.

Hi all,

Biological Nurturing is fantastic for correcting a crappy latch; the babies latch better when they're given chance to do it themselves than when they're just shoved onto the breast like some women do (me included; I never quite waited for Bertie to open wide enough, or he opened wide, then I missed the window of opportunity lol!!) did see that video though, ikwym; our midwife got the Mums to play with their babies' feet and guide them to the breast a little, so it was only a matter of seconds rather than - well in that vid it did seem to take forever!!

(I'm not obsessed or anything though )

Sponge I am sorry to hear your ds is still not so well I hope he picks up soon.

Fox pmsl @ ginger poodle!!

So tired these last few days, Bertie has been waking up at five / six, not for a feed though but to wake for the day iyswim. Actually this morning I stuck him in his cot sitting up surrounded by pillows and toys and got about another twenty minutes' kip!!

hi all- he is better fingers crossed- the antibiotics are working and he tried some of my porridge this morning! thanks for all your kind words.

we have SNOW!!!!!! its not very deep but its still snowing so not sure what it will be like by tomorrow.

off to fb must try and post some pics

whats your lodger like foxy?

mossy, are you going to become a bf guru? think you would be v good at it- you could set up a mentoring biz and go and do talks/ be a buddy etc.

ive been on FB reminicing about my days at butlins.well,looking at photos and such.kind of strange as that is where everything changed for me.

Elsie is teething again,and there have been some explosions in the nappy dept.saying that,dd2 exploded this evening so im hoping there isnt another bug about to do the rounds.i dont have the energy