June 2020 Babies-Newborn, snuggles, recovery, milk and night feeds! 2nd thread

[Busylizzie85]

New thread!

Thanks @Pegase i feel proud I managed for so long and I will be sad when I finally finish but as you say I have to be in my best mind for her and this is what I have to do 😊

Hi everyone, just wondering if anyone else who is formula feeding has experienced this.

For some reason in the last week or so she will drink 70ml of her 180ml bottle and then after a burp she will refuse anymore for a good 20mins or so and then she will suddenly want the rest later.
Has this happened to anyone else? It’s not the end of the world because at least she is getting what she needs, but it’s just frustrating because each bottle is now an hour (or more) long process.

@Gigitree yes my DS is the same. Not for every fed though. I was trying different bottle teats as I thought he needed to move up to the medium flow but now I'm wondering is it coming out too fast and needs a break? No idea but I'm going to stick with the slow flow ones to see if that works. The nurse said he needs to stick with one type of teat for at least 4 days to get used to it rather than chopping and changing but it's a big expense to change them all if they dont suit him

@Gigitree @babbafett yeah ours is the same at the moment. He has been really fussy last couple of days, crying and refusing the bottle. I put it down to a development leap - when he went through his 8 week leap he was exactly the same and didnt want to eat as much. Then for 2 or 3 weeks after he was great, he was taking 7 ounces! Now it says hes at his 12 week leap and it's the same as before and it's a struggle to give him 5. It does say on the app they can lose their appetite.

I changed from teat 1 to teat 2 a week or so back, not sure how they compare to slow and medium teets. It's hard though because I think 1 is too slow and 2 is too fast!! going to stick with 2 for now and hope he adjusts to it...

@Busylizzie85 I love breastfeeding and I still find it incredibly hard sometimes. I can’t imagine doing it if I didn’t love it. I agree that whatever is best for YOUR mental health is what is best for baby.

@AndddddHerewegoagain thanks for the tip!

@Gigitree EBF here but my little girl is the same recently. She likes to feed from one side, have a break (often with a poo) and then will carry on from the other side after a rest. I have no idea how much she is taking each time obviously, but that’s generally how she likes to feed during the day now.

@SRS1311 the teats are so confusing!
Has anyone tried the vari flow ones? I was thinking this might work?

Hi ladies, a long time lurker here but wanted to say hello. I have felt so lonely this week and reading this thread has helped me so much. 💕 xo

Thanks @babbafett @UKtoSK @SRS1311
Glad it’s not just my little one.
I thought we’d been through the 12 week leap a week early, but now I’m not sure! 🙈

Yes sorry we moved from size 1 to size 2 teats a while ago, I believe is 0= ultra slow 1= slow 2= medium 3= fast

@babbafett I didn’t know they did a vari flow, how does that work?

@mangoforbreakfast86 welcome! It's such a help knowing other people are going through the same things isnt it! It can feel very lonely otherwise

@SRS1311 tommee tippee do them. I think they allow the baby to control the flow more so depending on their suck it will give them a slow or medium flow. I bought a pack of two to give it a try.

We have switched to size 2 last week. Seems to be better as she isn't falling asleep feeding so much although she definitely found it too fast in the first day or two

@SearchingTheSkies our little girl (15 wks) also has nasal problems and when she gets upset it makes it worst. She manages to BF but won't take the bottle whilst she's like that. We currently saline her nose but don't see a lot come out. We also put her in a steamy bathroom on an evening to help. She tends to prefer to be held upright or over the shoulder. Our health visitor said it was normal so not much advice.

Has anyone who tried the calpol plug in notice this helps?

Also anyone moved their little one into a cot bed yet? There's less and less room in the cot next to our bed but wasn't sure when it's considered too small?

@PurpleLaws we’ve had her in a cot bed since she was born, we just have it pushed right up against the side of the bed. She has always slept well in it and I like it because I can see through the bars and also reach my hands through to comfort her or check her breathing during the night.

Hi @mangoforbreakfast86 - welcome! This place has helped me a lot, especially with covid and there being no new mums clubs to attend. How olds your little one? Hope your not feeling too lonely, first few months are tough

@SRS1311 Thank you! Esme is 13 weeks. How about your baby? Covid has definitely intensified the feeling of loneliness. There is a children’s centre in my area which ran loads of free baby classes but due to Covid it is closed. Hoping that maybe after Christmas things will slowly start up again. 😊 xo

@mangoforbreakfast86 mine is 11 weeks on Monday - I felt time went slowly in the first couple of weeks but now its flying by!

Has anyone's little one begun mastering rolling over? I think this is the first little independent movement milestone - so far mine is showing no desire whatsoever to do it!

@SRS1311 I keep reading that they normally roll front to back first then back to front. But during tummy time Grace shows absolutely no interest in trying to roll, however when she’s laying on her play mat kicking her legs about, she tries really hard to roll onto her side

*on her back on her play mat

@Gigitree My DS is exactly the same. Tummy time shows no interest in rolling over and I was worrying about it but he seems to making all the right moves to go from his back to his tummy. Nurse said to leave some toys further away to give him an incentive to keep trying.

@SRS1311 11 weeks today and two days ago baby started trying to roll from her back to her front but I think it’ll still be a while before she fully rolls either way. I think it’s supposed to be around four months old that they do that. I also read front to back usually comes first but she has only just started really lifting her head up during tummy time this past week 🤷🏼‍♀️

I have probably left it a bit too late, but when my daughter turned 13 weeks I tried to establish a bedtime routine. Up until that point we had been giving her a bath at around 7 and have her in the front room with us. She would normally fall asleep around 9 and I would transfer her to cot at 10ish. She would then wake for a feed at 10:30/11ish and sleep straight through to 5/5:30.

With this new routine I have been bathing her at 7ish, taking her into the bedroom, reading her a book and feeding her with the white noise machine in the background. She is normally down by 8:30ish. However she is not good at self settling and I end up feeding or rocking her to sleep which sometimes takes until 9/9:15. I know this is probably creating a rod for my own back. To add to this, since starting this new routine she only sleeps for 3.5 hour chunks. What am I doing wrong? I’d like to eventually get her to sleep by 7:30. I feel like such a terrible mother as I hear of so many people who have been able to get their babies to sleep from 7pm with no difficulty. She is breastfed so I accept that she will wake up for feeds in the night but I would just like her to be able to do 5 hour chunks like she used to. Any advice would be much appreciated and so sorry for rambling. xo

@mangoforbreakfast86 dont be beating yourself up. 13 weeks is still small for a routine. I try to do similar but the time is totally random depending on how the day went. I try read the same story every night with the hope someday he will associate it with sleep. Last night we did everything the same as normal and he was wired to the moon. Babbling and cooing until 10:30! Usually he is asleep by 8/9! I think good sleepers are born not made, especially during the first few months when any little thing can disturb their pattern. Normally my LO is easy to get to sleep. The last two days it's been so hard. I've done nothing different. It could be so many things why babies suddenly seem to change pattern - teething (seems like DS is), they are in the middle of learning a new skill and it has them wrecked, the weather etc. Its not your fault! Just trust your instincts and when the baby is ready they will follow.

@mangoforbreakfast86 it's really not your fault, our routine happens purely dependant on her naps during the day, sometimes we are lucky and she's asleep by 7:30 other times it's 9pm, she was also sleeping 5-6 hour chunks but last week decided nope and since last Tuesday or Wednesday has done 4 hour chunk followed by 3 hour chunks or for instance one night she woke 6 times!
Ivy turned 14 weeks yesterday and I am convinced it's a growth spurt as well as teething that's done it. All you can do is preserve and I'm sure your LO will get used to it. X

@mangoforbreakfast86 don’t beat yourself up. I used to feel like this too but now I’ve just accepted that like @Busylizzie85 we have to just go with whatever time works with when her last nap of the day is. Which means sometimes her bedtime is 7pm other times it’s 8.30/9pm.
I feel better now we have a routine of sorts but I’ve just accepted that until her naps are consistent her bedtime will shift.

Her nightime sleep pattern changes all the time too. For a while we were getting a good 7/8 hours before she woke for a feed, but then last night she wanted a feed after 4 hours.

Like the others have said they’re still so little and done babies just love their sleep and therefore fall into a pattern really quickly and others take a while.

Try not to fret about what other people and their babies are doing, I know it’s hard but I’ve wasted so much time and energy (and tears) Doing this and it just made me feel like crap. All babies are so different but one thing they all have in common is that they love to keep us guessing 😂

@Busylizzie85 @babbafett thank you so much, both. You have really reassured me. I like the idea of reading the same story to my daughter every night so that she learns to associate it with sleep. I’ll give that a try. xo

@mangoforbreakfast86 I read "guess how much I love you". I still tear up reading the last page. I'm such a mess of hormones these days! I figured that it is a lovely story but also not too long.
One thing I've learned with this new baby lark is that the combination of me and baby is the right one. My baby with another mother wouldnt work or me with someone else's baby wouldnt work. We are the perfect fit, we are designed to be with each other. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes it takes a long time to figure out what he wants or needs but we will get there in the end. I've stopped reading baby care books as it made me question my instincts and I'd do what the book said first instead of what I felt he needed.
With the risk of sounding too airy fairy I'm a believer that how ever our babies come into our lives its because we are the right parent for them.