October 2007 - the golden piglets have landed

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I couldn't find a postnatal thread - not sure if I am just missing it with post-childbirth brain! Anyone else around??

Ben has just started to do little chuckles, he is 10 weeks old on friday, its so cute

Winnie - Hope you are feeling better soon but it does sound like mastitis

Inzi - if you are bleeding heavier again, couldn't it be your first period?

Ejt - I hope you can combat the pnd soon... big hugs xx

Hope everyone else I haven't mentioned are doing well

Hi all

Winnie, poor you! It sounds horrible.

Alice, well done on a good day with the two of them. You sound justifiably like a proud mummy of two there!

Inzi, my lochia stopped a week? 2 weeks ago? can't remember exactly when, and then started again yesterday... (Rebecca is 4 weeks today). I don't know what's normal and what isn't though!

Muppet, wow at typing and feeding! I can feed and read but nothing more adventurous.

Well, Rebecca's sleepathon night was predictably followed up by a crap night! She was awake a lot and so was I as a consequence. Oh well, that one night was too good to be true!

Xmas is almost upon us - I need to buy presents urgently - and also cards keep arriving, and I cant face writing xmas cards, hate them at the best of times...

Have a good evening!

Hi all

Winnie - I'd get to a doctor asap, sounds like an infection to me

Ejt - so sorry to hear you're down. I'd second whoever it was who said you're a fab and superbly capable mum. You and dh have had a really tough time lately, it's no wonder you're down. And families can be so problematic sometimes can't they? I do feel for you. Will be thinking of you tomorrow especially.

Inzi - are you anywhere near Kirkaldy? (filled with sudden doubt that that's not the name of the village) - my aunt and uncle live there, and I've another aunt in Dundee. For some reason I was sure you lived in Glasgow.

I havent the energy to tell mcuh news. One little highlight - Huw was so cute cooing ah-ing and ger-ing on his mat today that it made me cry - we're so lucky having our wonderful babies to love ... (apricott drifts off on cloud of soppiness).

Right, I'm off to bed so that I can prise my eyes open when my wonderful baby wakes me in the wee small hours for a feed. Take care all.

A x

Hi all,

Thanks for all the advice. It is not too bad at the moment. I have had a bath and lay there with a damp flannel on my poorly breast.

That and the paracetemol seem to have helped. I will try and express from it a bit later, but not sure if I will get much from that one as I have been feeding Shula from it for most of the day.

She has slept quite a bit of the day, so that has help me get some rest as well. She was weighed yesterday and is now 9lbs 14ozs. She also had her 1st immunisations yesterday. I felt such a cruel mummy as she bawled when the nurse put the needle into her thighs

Hi, just a quickie form me as busy morning.

Can you take a look at this thread for my friend....any ideas??

here

Morning Ladies

Winnie glad you are feeling a bit better, I hope you continue to improve. How is Shula after her jabs? I know what you mean about feeling like a cruel Mummy Zoe's wee face just crumpled when she got her jabs.

Choc I hope Rebecca had a much better night last night and you managed to get some sleep, like you I find that usually a good night is followed by a crap one! Although I am finding that as Zoe is a bit more active (Kicking about in her chair or on her play mat) she is tiring herself out more and is slepping.

Inzi hope Jane slept well for you last night even though she had slept during the day, a MW told my sister that sleep breeds sleep so the more they get the more they want I can second that as I actually had a fairly good night last night and I am shattered this morning and just want to crawl back into bed!

Hello to everyone else (waves hello)

Do any of you lovely ladies have any tips on how to establish a routine? Zoe and I have no routine at all really, I am feeling on demand which is generally every 4 hours (but can be from 3 to 6 hours even during the day) I don't want a strict routine as I am not a routine person but I would like to try and start establishing some sort of routine, I just dont know how to do it!

sorry not read posts yet, been to see fanny consultant this morn - all ok so far, and off to the 'be a brilliant baby club' soon. Just wanted to moan cause my hugabub STILL hasn't arrived, (ordered fri) not only that but the money has gone out of my bank and paypal says it's completed and i've sent her 3 emails which shes's ignored and tried to call the contact numbers on the website, one doesn't work and the other one rings out, starting to get annoyed and feel like i've been ripped off , don't understand it though cause everyone on here who ordered theirs off her got it really quick where as i've just had no comunication from her at all??? what shal i do???? ...

Hi all,

I got back last night. The trip went well and it was good to do an overnight stay with Dareh. He was as good as gold and slept from 12-8:30! Then last night he woke up at 4:30 and I didn't get him back to sleep until 6:30 so am shattered today. I have no idea why he can sleep so well one night and then be all over the shop the next.

I have no routine either - no idea how to start one as Dareh does different things everyday and I don't how I could get him to do what I wanted him to do.

Inzi it's cool you are so close - we should definitely do coffee sometime!

I may try to get to the breast feeding support group today. Depends what time his majesty wakes up though.

Hope everyone is well and that infections go and hugabubs arrive!

we are only doing a bedtime routine atm but i am fairly strict with it.

6.00 -ds1 in front of storymakers ds2 b/f
6.20 -storymakers ends (on cbeebies)
6.30 -both boys in bath (seperate baths!)
6.45 -ds2 picks his 2 stories to read ds1 held by me whilst reading the stories
7pm - lights out ds1

• b/f ds2 in his darkened room then put in his crib.

10.30pm - dh wakes (or ds2 is awake) ds2 for f/f

That's all we do atm. He demand feeds during the day but I do have to feed him around 7.45am + 2pm ready for the school run so if I reall thought about it he probably is in a routine during the day too.

Also Henry has to fit in with ollie so for us the best place to start was bed time.

x

had a message from hugabub lady, she's been on holiday and her mother was in charge , anyway it's on it's way and should arrive tomorrow

Hi all - just popping by to say hello to you all... Haven't been online much recently - I find it difficult to get much time to myself, all spare minutes seem to be spent trying to make the house look less like a bombsite and picking up muslins that have been strewn everywhere... People tell me not to worry about the house, but I feel even more out of control when it's a tip!

My little darling is doing well - is now up to 10lbs 14oz at 4 weeks, so still a big girl, but dropping down the centiles a bit, which is no bad thing - I was beginning to fear we would have an amazon on our hands!

Days are complete chaos, despite my control-freakish attempts at a routine - but nights aren't generally too bad (asleep by around 8/9, wakes at 2/3am for a feed and asleep til 6/6am) touch MUCH wood... evenings are a nightmare (hence not much mumsnetting for me) but apparently that's fairly typical...

Glad to read that people seem to be doing well, and sending you all lots of positive thoughts and hugs... typically LO is no screaming so better go...

BIG HUGS!!

DB
xx

PolarMummy - I have been trying to use Baby Whisperer to get Anya onto a routine, and it sort of works. The idea is that during the day they feed then have activity time (change nappy/play/bath/whatever) then sleep - that's their natural cycle. Each cycle should be roughly the same length of time - 3 to 4 hours depending on how long they can go between feeds. We're not too rigid with it but I have found it useful - I know roughly when Anya's going to want feeding and when she'll be asleep. It also helps me know what she's crying for - if she's played for a bit and starts crying it's usually tiredness and wants cuddling to sleep rather than me misunderstanding and stuffing a bottle in her mouth! I bought the book but actually the discussions on the website are much better - www.thebabywhisperer.com/smf

Sorry, baby whisperer method is called EASY - eat, activity, sleep, you - otherwise you'll never find the right bits on the website!

Baby whisperer we found was very good to guide us what to do. The easy routine makes real sense and isn't so rigid as timings are up to you and your lo.

Well, registered Henry Reuben today so he's a real person now! Was a bit of a nightmare as I'd planned to arrive early so I could have plenty of time to find the place and did just as H needed feeding. (The receptionist even asked me if I realised my app was 40 mins away!) I lifted him out of the pram to find that he was wet! I then b/f him whilst the waiting room was filling up but I thought 'it's okay, I've got 40 mins to feed and sort him out....'
nope, the lady called me in early as I'd arrived early...isn't that just sods law I 'un boobed' myself from H and thought this is going to go horribly wrong now...but he sat quite happily in her office, soaking wet, on my knee I changed him afterwards and the kind woman even showed me to the mother and baby room- always handy to find after you've loped it out in a crowded waiting room

Still we managed some shopping and got a few christmas presents.

Went for coffee round a friends, left them all broody then finally did make it to the garden centre to buy some decorations for the tree. Ollie had a black nose as it was the dress rehearsal for the nativity on fri. All the 'old folk' kept asking him about it and he was more than happy to demonstrate his sheep skills to them awwww sooooo cute.

Hope you all had a good day,
x

I tried to dreamfeed Ben again last night in the hope that he would sleep from 10pm till 6ish, atm he is having his last feed at about 7pm then sleeping till 4am. He had a feed at 6.30 (6oz) then I woke him up at 10pm and he had another 6oz, but still woke up at 3.30am and had another 4oz's If I had left him he would have probably still slept till the same time. That's twice I have tried to change the routine we seem to have fallen into but it hasn't worked, so I am going to keep it as it is, last feed at 7ish and leave him till he wakes up naturally Going to get him weighed tomorrow, I think he has had his 12 week growth spurt early as he has upped his feeds over the last two days to 33oz's in 24hrs, whereas he was on abot 27oz's He is also now 61cm long, on the 98th percentile and on the 91st for his weight.

Inzi - very funny, love the dancing

Hey Folks, thank you all for your advice I will have a look at the Baby whisper website when I get a chance. At the moment all thoughts of a routine are right out the window I am such a wimp. I have had a hectic day! Zoe has hardly closed her eyes all day and although she hasn't been screaming the place down she hasn't been contented to be left in her seat or carry cot for long and I am shattered. I am hoping it is just a reaction to her jabs on Friday and that she will be back to her old self in a few days time.

I also had a friend and her 2 boys over for coffee one is three and the other is 7 months. They are really lovely boys and she works hard to make sure they are respectful of others houses and I love having them over cause they are great, but they are just so full of energy we hardly get talking to each other plus the 7 month old is crawling really well he has great control, he has even started pulling himself up to stand so it was all go here this afternoon!

Dal glad you got the hugabub thing sorted, I hope it does arrive in the morning and that your LO likes being in it.

Inzi love the dancing

Hi DB good to hear from you, I know what you mean about needing to tidy the place up a bit but do try and only do what is necessary and rest as well, glad to hear your LO is doing so well, that sleeping routine is great!

Hello to everyone else hope you all had a good night last night and hope you all have a good night ahead

An emotional day all round. We went to the private service in the chapel for family and close friends, and it was very moving - I had to take Mairwen outside, and we went to visit C's son's grave (he died 10 years ago, just before his 3rd birthday) - Mairwen then slept, so I crept in in time for us to sing Gwahoddiad - one of my favourite hymns - it makes me cry anyway!

The local motorbike club provided outriders for the hearse, and other members had made a hige banner with pictures of C on it.

We then went down to the crem, and I couldn't believe it: there must have been 350 people there, or perhaps even more - they were lining the road up into the crem - we were the 3rd car back, so parked behind the hearse. The service at the crem was put on loudspeakers for those standing outside.

With the horrible way C's life ended, it was good to remember that he was a legend in the local area - dh and I were talking in the car, and trading memories ... many of the memories he had of C couldn't be shared with many others as his mother (dh's) would be absolutely scandalised to find out what they used to get up to!

Anyway, there were no family rows - at least before we left anyway - we decided not to go back up to Llandeilo for the afterwards: it was 30 minutes in the wrong direction, and Mairwen had been so good, we didn;t want to spoil the impression she'd left!

I've also managed to talk to dh ... am seeing the gp tomorrow, and have promised to tell her the full truth about how I'm feeling.

love to all ...

hey everyone,
inzi - Just a quick note to say the dancing elves were very funny , gonna catch up on some sleep as am mega tired, will write a proper post when am not delirious (i seem to start laughting like a mad woman and saying strange things when tired - the other night i asked dh if turkeys lay eggs???? ) catch ya all soon, hope you're all ok x

Evening ladies

glad to hear today was at least free from family strife for you ejt. I was wondering ... would you fancy meeting up sometime soon? ... perhaps the run up to Christmas wouldn't be the best time for you, I don't know ... but it would be lovely to do lunch or coffee or something soonish.

and inzi - sadly, I couldn't load your elf thing. And my aunt and uncle live in Balmullo, not Kirkaldy, don't know what I was thinking, der-brain at the moment. Suspected I may havea the wrong name when you said you shop there - as I recall there aren't any shops there!

Hi DB - good to hear from you. If it's any consolation, my place is a complete tip too - I'm sitting here now looking out over a vista of carrycot, babygym, carseat, bouncy chair, and birthing ball (now used by dh for physio exercises) all surrounded by sundry misplaced items - nothing is where it should be - where the hell has my living room gone???

Huw is in his big cot for the first time tonight. He looks so lost in it. He fell asleep after a short crying session. We're scared he might not like being in unfamiliar surroundings when he wakes up in the night ... only time will tell.

Night night all.

Morning all.

Dareh has been so grumpy the last couple of days and I have no idea why. We went to the bf support group and he was as good as gold the whole time. Soon as we are in the house however he cries. It took me three hours to settle him to sleep last night. He feed on and off from half nine to half ten. I changed him, burped him and he was still screaming. I think he was really tired but just wouldn't go to sleep. Once he was asleep he didn't wake up for seven hours which is just as well as I was exhausted after the three hour screaming session.

I can't imagine making a routine work right now. Dareh just does what he wants and I can't get him to do things at a particular time. It would be nice though!

Hello lovely ladies!

As usual can't remember what everyone has said but going to give it my best shot...

Ejt good luck with your GP today. Thinking of you...

Polar - I personally wouldn't worry too much about getting into a routine unless it would make things work beter for you. I found with Sam that he found his own routine at about 12 weeks anyway which was much easier to stick to as it was what came naturally for him. I would second muppet's advice to have a bedtime routine that you stick to so she gets to learn that after that she sleeps but other than that I would wing it! If it's stressing you out to not be in a routine I also recommend the baby whisperer as being helpful.

Having said that Adam seems to be in a pretty good routine but then he is ff and that does make it easier.

MrsFish - I had read somewhere that you need to give it 7 days to see if a change in routine is going to work as the lo takes that long to adapt. So might be worth persisting with the dream feed for a bit longer? We are doing this and although Adam has only slept through once it does mean that he is much more of a settled sleeper until his next feed and so doesn't wake us so much.

Dal glad the hugabub situation is sorted!

Stefka well done on coping well with the night away. I would try not to worry about him being a bit erratic with stuff at the mo though - thats what they do! Just as you think you have something sorted they throw you a curve ball...

Well we're doing OK. After a great Monday Tues was pretty crap. Adam was very unsettled and screamy in the afternoon so I ended up taking him to the doc to make sure I wasn't missing anything and he promptly got his 'I'm knackered' face on and was as calm as you like! Great but very embarrassing! Yesterday was great though - dh took the day off and we did some christmas shopping and chilled in the afternoon. Today we are going for lunch with dh then doing the last of the shopping! So hope to catch you all later...

Big hugs and hellos to everyone

hello all

Alice, you sound chirpy, glad Adam's happier today. Is tomorrow his cranial osteopathy?

Polar, I have no routine, or rather Rebecca doesnt. Even bedtime. No point in imposing it since she still hates going to sleep. We had a horrible evening- she yelled for 2 hours for no obvious reason. DH has bought Infacol today as recommended by the hv... we shall see. Oh and the Baby Whisperer, I have the book, but the EASY routine doesnt fit my little sleep-resistor, who can only be tricked into going to sleep, ever... Stefka, I'm with you, Rebecca organizes our routine and she does it haphasardly... well done on the trip away and I had the same experience as you last night (the screaming), though for 2 hours not 3, and little one didnt manage an 8 hour sleep after it...

Ejt, hope you are okay, thinking of you!

Apricott, Ejt - you're near each other then? Another mnet meet up?

Hv came today and weighed Rebecca - she is now on the 50th percentile exactly. Clever girl! Then my MIL rang up and asked so I told her and she said 'oh so she's a porker now then?' WTF? Since when did 50th percentile mean porker? Then she said I should give her cool boiled water instead of milk sometimes... Um, no... Inlaws arriving tomorrow - wish me luck!!!

OK, time to do something useful. Hugs to all!