Dec 06 - a new one for Indith and her rubbish dial up!

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New thread for our incessant chatter!

WB, if you think thats wibbling (re endoscopy) maybe I can make you feel better: I had to have one after dd1, because I had ongoing heartburn etc. I was petrified, and ended up only being able to face it with general anaesthetic, which I had to use my very limited health insurance for. The gastro bloke doing it thought I was a total wuss, and was slightly scathing - remarking loudly how brave the next bloke was, having it done with NO anaesthesia at all . Luckily for me, the anaesthetist was very nice, said LOADS of people are terrified of endoscopy, though they are not really scary, and that it was no big deal to be as chicken as me. So you wibble away - health stuff is not fun.

I had a mini breakthrough with dd1 re sharing with dd2 tonight...I let dd1 trawl through my shoes, borrow what she wanted, and keep her favourite (unwearable) pink pair in her room. Then when she snatched a ball off dd2 saying 'its MINE' I quietly reminded her that the pink shoes were MINE, and how would she feel if I snatched them back off her when she was playing with them? She went quiet, then gave the ball back and said 'sorry, little M' with genuine regret. We had a very nice evening after that

BP, re crawling (and I bet she crawls again tomorrow anyway) neither my nephew nor neice crawled, went straight to walking, and are far too bright for their own good.

FGS...sending get well vibes to your poor dds, really hope they feel better tomorrow, and that you all have a restful/healing night.

WB - I hope there's much less need for you to wibble soon, you've really been through it (and then some!)

I've noticed a few sly digs given to dd2 from dd1. i think I have to have a real heart to heart with dd1.

Godzilla, x post - I'm sorry your dd has reflux, though I imagine its good to get a clear diagnosis? Did she get prescribed meds, at all? Yes, we find it very hard to feed dd when out - or did, when we started weaning. She wouldn't take any food from a spoon at all, still won't - but her big breakthrough was pizza

Worth a try?!

AWBS, table for constructions great idea - if its too high for ds2 to reach, once he's walking? dd1 has to do all her 'making stuff' on the kitchen table now, which is fine, except it has to be cleared up all the time for meals. And also, pink sequins/glitter/bobbles have a nasty habit of landing on the floor where dd2 is waiting to gobble them up

I must to bed, far too longwinded tonight!

Lol@pizza-breakthrough!

Eli, no she has never been officially diagnosed. She decided at a month & a half (approximately) old, that she was not going to accept milk in our arms, and i had to feed her with her head on a cushion on the floor. She's never been extremely sicky except when we've attempted to get her to take a 'full' feed (hv said she should be drinking more), or sit her up straight after. Doctor said she couldn't possibly have reflux because she'd never heard of a refluxer having to be fed laying flat, just sitting up.

Damned Doctors, Godzilla, I'm taking dd1 to the doctors for the second time in a fortnight as I am sure the rash she has is eczema instead of the "viral infection" diagnosis.

Hi everyone, we're finally back! 10 hours in the car yesterday. Dh and I still feel like zombies.

wb, after reading everyone's posts about reflux I am now convinced that was what ds1 had. I feel so guilty about not getting anything done for him now - I just didn't realize what it could be. But anyway, he was very difficult to wean to solids, gagged on everything imaginable. I wound up just feeding him purees until he was almost two and I think he was older than that when he stopped taking a bottle. I literally had to teach him how to chew and swallow. We did this silly thing called the food train. "Chew, Chew, swallow, swallow, that's the fooood train." But he's quite healthy now and even though he is a very picky eater he does not show any signs of reflux. Coincidentally, I have bouts of it now and then. It is the most awful burning sensation. For me personally, yogurt helps a lot.

As far as toys and the ds's go, we have to really monitor the situation between the boys. Ds2 wants so desperately to play with ds1 but then winds up destroying the lego bridge or whatever and then howls erupt from ds1. We have dubbed ds2 "Baby Zilla" and have explained (over and over, sigh) that babies just don't realize they are creating such havoc. I don't let ds2 into ds1's room unless ds1 is in there and has invited ds2 in. Still, I caught ds1 biting ds2 tonight before dinner. I was so furious. Ds2 has turned into a biter and I guess ds1 felt that biting back was the appropriate retaliation. Aughhhhhh!

Here's hoping all the vomiting babies are better soon.

Oh, and ds2 has been taking some steps lately but has yet to go more than 3 or 4 before deciding it's much more convenient to crawl. He'll be one on Thanksgiving. I'm trying to decide if a turkey-shaped cake is funny or just tacky, lol.

Hi to lucy and everyone, will try to catch up more. I see there are some facebook people. Where do you find the time???? I feel so disorganized.

AQ, we're still struggling with the potty issues. How's it going at your house?

Oh, and Margo, if it is eczema, we have had great luck lately with the Aveeno overnight itch relief all over followed by 1% steroid cream on any red spots.

wb - dont feel bad about the endoscopy. Just try to think of it as a blip you have to get through and it will be over very quickly.

DD1 and DD2 share most toys. DD1 occasionally snatches things of DD2 but we have taught her that if she wants something DD2 has then she HAS to give something in return. Normally she goes and finds some piece of tat but it definitely seems to work.

We are finding DD1 is having a lot of wee accidents though and I think it is partly down to attention

I don't have time to check on FB, it's too busy on here!
jabber, welcome back ds1 still in nappies, I know I haven't the patience to deal with it and it will end in yelling so safer that way. I'm still finding the work/family balance tricky so will leave it until christmas I think. Personally, turkey cake fun!!
Anyone have sharing lo's and ideas how to do it? I'm just not sure now, but I was so looking forward to it for various reasons. Nearly all the toys and books are stored in ds1's room at present, I've always done stuff in there with him rather than the living room. Total rethink required!

The sharing is difficult. I have tried to stress that ds1 can't just grab a toy, that he needs to ask and give something else but it is still a work in progress. I would love to have them share a room later on for lots of reasons. I think ds2 will have to be at least 2 or 3 for it to work.

AQ and FGS, we are keeping the pull-ups people in business I keep telling myself it's got to stop someday.

Oh, and another shoe freak over here

The sharing is difficult. I have tried to stress that ds1 can't just grab a toy, that he needs to ask and give something else but it is still a work in progress. I would love to have them share a room later on for lots of reasons. I think ds2 will have to be at least 2 or 3 for it to work.

AQ and FGS, we are keeping the pull-ups people in business I keep telling myself it's got to stop someday.

Oh, and another shoe freak over here

We are lucky in that we have a playroom where most of DD1s toys are. DD2 is allowed to play in there (and therefore with DD1s toys) when Mummy is around to supervise join in.

DD2s toys tend to be in the living room by the tv as that is where I tend to be. If DD1 brings any toys in there, then again they are fair game. DD1 can play with DD2s toys if she plays nicely.

Anything DD1 doesnt want to share has to be in her bedroom or on the dining room table.

DD1 has 'given' DD2 some of her old books. She decided which ones and now they are known as DD2s.

At bathtime, they bathe together and all toys are fair game.

Dont know if that helps.

Yup, spending a fortune on pullups (after making such an effort to do cloth with ds1, but I don't have enough for 2) here too!
Thanks for ideas, keep em coming, useful to see what others do. I think a space just for ds1's stuff seems v.important, we have just bought a storage thingy for the living room and they both have their own baskets so that's a start.

Will you feck off you fecking trick or treaters!

Honestly got our first about 3 weeks ago.

Tom is going to be a nightmare, every neighbourhood chav that dp has told to go away will be back and being a pain in the arse.

WB I'll make you a deal, you book your endo and I'll make an appointment for a long overdue smear. Right after I er, erm...scrub the floor, and tidy the loft, and reorganise all the baby clothes. No, seriously, being scared is perfectly allowable but you know that it is better to get it sorted.

Jabber if you make a Turkey cake then you have to post pics

How is the crawling BP? Sure it will get more coordinated in time, like everything else it just takes practice.

Ds has finally realised that the bottom shelf in the living room is the one he is allowed to raid as it has all his books on it!

Godzilla, dd2 had to drink lying down and not in arms for ages - not sure when it changed, but definitely after the reflux meds came on the scene. Doctors either help lots with reflux, or haven't a clue IME

Jabber, turkey cake with photos please!

No time to say much tonight (which will compensate for last night, eh) as dd2 snotty and not eating etc again and house in chaos and I'm starving...what was that about getting organized, Jabber?

Unfortunately, distracting dd2 with something other than what she has in her paw no longer works - she is the most persistent and clued up little monkey, and forgets nothing: she pointed to the space where dh's laptop lives tonight (dh taken it to work) and yelped. I said 'yes, Daddy's computer' and she waved bye bye and pointed and yelped until I said 'its gone, yes, computer gone' at which point she seemed satisfied.

So dd1 doesn't stand a chance palming her off with second choice of toy, poor love

lol at dd2, Eli, can just imagine it. I love it when they're looking over your shoulder at someone or something. DS2 just buries his head in my shoulder and then tries to hurl himself off to get to it.
DS2 is now crawling properly, he crawled from the landing to the bathroom today. Now I just feel panicky about all the stuff he'll grab!
I am always so surprised that reflux is not recognised or supported given how many babies seem to suffer so badly.
uggh, smear, indith, I'm due too. I suppose I could have an iud put in at the same time, I am quite keen to get off condoms really. [whispers] dp and i are doing it all the time, i think it's the sexy romantic fiction i've been reading

Urgh, let's not talk about smears, I had one a month or so back but the results show borderline changes so I have to have another one in March. Such fun .

WB, sorry you're stressed about the op, hopefully it will be a lot less scary than you are imagining.

Jabber, glad you had a good break.

Mags, how are the vomiting children today?

Eli, your dd2 sounds far too clever for her own good .

Can I share a real soppy mummy moment? Dd was singing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star to ds2 this morning and he started copying her doing the actions. It was the cutest thing I have ever seen and I nearly cried. He was so proud of himself and grinning away, then at the end he gave himself a round of applause. All day he's been doing the 'twinkle, twinkle' action to make me or dd sing it to him so he can do it again. He's so cute. How can I never do all this again?

Ah, Oli wish you could post a video clip! Amazing to think these little crawling, signing, yelping, determined small beings were mere foetuses approx a year ago, eh. Go on, do it again, I can't afford to get broody on my own account but will happily live vicariously through you

Magnolia and FGS, hope the LOs are better tonight.

Mine is a snot fountain and off her food, and far too bony and long for my liking - considering baby clinic in the morning, just for peace of mind

AWBS I'm very impressed...can you recommend a good book, please?

Eli, don't tempt me!

AQ, I was going to ask the same as Eli, come on, share the secret . Is this literature that arrives in a plain brown envelope or can we buy it from Waterstones without so much as a blush?!

So cute watching little brains clicking away

AQ - I wouldn't mind a book suggestion, either

btw, I've been very bad. Found a site with slings on sale and ordered three!!

ahh, lovely oli, that's what makes it all worthwhile
Jennifer (Jenny Crusie) US author, Jabber, no brown envelopes required!

jabber, don't you already have 2?!
jenny crusie - bet me, welcome to temptation and faking it have lots of steamy bits and the story's alright too

Am in heaven this afternoon as 2 of the 3 pairs of boots that DH bought for me on Sunday have arrived. They are soooooooooooooooooo beautiful (and comfortable). He wants another baby, did I mention this before and I think he thinks he can get round me like this. Ha! I just want more boots Major boot fetishist here.

Have armed myself with sweeties for tonight. I don't normally go in for this sort of thing, being a miserable ole curmudgeon , but my friend told me her house got pelted with eggs last year as she didn't have anything to hand out!!

Aww, lovely stories of our cuties. I have to say I am just loving it all at the moment.