March 2007 - All present and correct now

[LunarSea]

Morning all - new thread as the old one's about to hit the 1000 posts limit.

Not so great this morning - feel like an egg-bound chicken IYSWIM. Grrr - especially as I managed to avoid it all the way through pregnancy. And not sure if there's anything I can take for it while I'm feeding?

Hello

I've been at my mum and dad's for a few days to get some help. Which was lovely except
a) my dad kept saying to me 'why do you want to get him into a routine - he's fine?' Cue him playing loads with Elliot at 10pm and then buggering off to bed
b) my mum kept giving me cake. I can get my pre-pregnancy jeans on but not done up. My stomach looks like it has been filled with a layer of cottage cheese under the skin
c) my mum took over putting LO down for naps. Which was brilliant as I didn't have to listen to him wail. What wasn't so brilliant was the realisation that I couldn't relax.

I've just had a glass of cava to celebrate our first trip away and being home and the fact that it's only taken me an hour and 15 mins to get him to sleep

Glad you got a break (sort of) Sazzy
Hope Elliott is starting to come to heel a bit now too?

Mossy, sounds like Bertie is priming himself for a growth spurt maybe, we have only had one or two nights like that but jaysus they are hellish

I can only tell you that it gets better, it really does.

Yes another spotty little oik here too has been since birth...
And Finn is another mighty man, he can roll sid to side easy and also has had great head support from birth now props up on his arms. DS1 was early at all physical stuff so will be interesting to see what Finn does. He is one solid little man though, such fat rolls on his thighs!

Oh he's been so tired last 24 hrs
He was asleep at 5pm so woke him, feed, bath, another feed and boof at 6.30 he sparked out and has been down since!

Last few nights have been down by 8, top up at 11pm 3.30 and then up at 7 -7.30am

When I think back to 2-3 wks ago how awful it was...

Mossy you see there is hope!

yes, foxy !! My dh is Maori.

My darling dh has hd a run in with the neighbours downstairs, I am furious... they have been djing in the front garden with decks and big speakers (don't know the terminology!!) for hours which has been winding me up more and more!! Usually we get on well with these guys (they aren't exactly young, he is in his 50s) but it ended up in him saying it was our fault we had children. Hubs handled it really well and didn't raise his voice once - I was going to throw a pot of water over the balcony.

Definately the same plans for us Piffle

Mossy... if your dh is ok with Bertie crying, can he take him out for a walk and let you sleep. I'm like you and can't relax if Kate is crying and end up getting up to deal with things. Pointless really.

Welcome back Sazzy - hope that you did enjoy being with your folks. You know they mean well .

Blonde - I had the same thing with Kate's latch in the beginning and a painful chunk out of my nipple. The rugby hold was some relief (she wasnt hitting it when feeding) but what worked for me was expressing off that side for a day or two to give it time to completely heal. And lots of the lanolin cream .

Hope I've caught up with everyone's posts - happy birthday for the morning Laidback... hugs to everyone

oooh, your bubba is precious Evenhope. She looks so utterly cuddle-able!!

Kitty at your pirate. Worrying!!

Oh kiwibella, best xmas I ever had was with my brothers then girlfriend (she is Maori) an her family
Oh the best hangi in the world! WE were all gutted when they broke up, her and her family are ace so much so that we are still in touch and they split a decade ago!
They can keep their Kina eggs though

Sorry, too tired to say hello properly but I have a question - what's the deal with AF and bfing? I seem to have started spotting. It's nearly 7 weeks since I had LO. Is this normal?

How embarrassing I don't know what happens at my age but I don't Please forgive my ignorane

Kiwi - I spotted the nip damage when I tried to express and got blood, not going to attempt it again until I think it's healed

Sazzy - AF when bf varies a lot, some get AF back a month after birth, some much later. For me it was 8 months. However I am still getting post birth spotting now and it's been 5 weeks - could it be that?

gee I've only just stopped the post natal bleeding like 2 days ago 5 wks it took

For me with ds it came back at 7 mths but then he fed like every 3 hrs round the clock, sometimes more

with dd came back at 4 mths as she went through 10-7 then.

Sazzy I could not believe your age, you look nothing like it that's for sure And if is AF then buggery bums is all I can say...

Blonde - get the lanisoh cream on it - heals up nipps great... had cracked nips and they healed up very quickly and nicely.

had a rough weekend - dd3 has been unsettled the last couple of nights and then wanting to play at 4am!! I seem to be attached to her all afternoon - hope she is not like this next weekend when I want to go to the theatre. I also need to express lots for dh and usually I get lots - yesterday - just drops!!

dd2 has been quite funny - I think too many people are telling her she has a beautiful baby. She keeps announcing 'she's a beautiful baby' in some dodgy accent which we have yet to identify.

dh off to Melbourne for work tomorrow and comes back late Thurs - not sure how I will go with three monkeys by myself - especially if dd3 keeps up her unsettled afternoons - usually around the other dds dinner time. Just have to see.

better go - got to feed dd3 and get the others ready for kindy and to go out.

Eids I just had 4 days with dp away, my 2 older kids are easy as you like but by the end I was ready to be committed...

But I'm sure you'll be fine

With the help of a musical mobile Bertie slept from about nine until one. So did I. Four hours I can cope with if mil will take him for an hour or two today and allow me to catch up. He is asleep but latched on right now... if I move him off he will start crying, he's been like this for the last hour.

Tried taking him into the bed with me, he still cried, only way seems to be to be for him to lie on this cushion latched on, apart from last night when I think he was so exhausted he would have slept anywhere.

[exhausted emoticon]

I suppose in a way it's not too bad. I don't have any other children so it's not like I'm neglecting them, and he will have to sleep at some point and then I can do some tidying.

Sazzy nice to have you back

Laidback I hope you have a good birthday tomorrow!

Kiwibella, dh and I nearly fell out big time last night, I told him that under no circumstance would I let Bertie cry himself to sleep, especially at the age of just two and a half weeks! He said that in that case I was on my own. I suggested taking him for a drive but of course he'd had three glasses of wine... I might suggest getting him to take him for a walk tomorrow night if I haven't had any sleep at all.

He is back in work tomorrow... earlier in the week he was saying how much he dreaded it, now I think he is looking forward!

Eids hope you manage okay without your dh.

Rosy if Bertie wakes I'll try blowing on his eyes then!

Evenhope she is lovely as for proper bedtimes, if Bertie is asleep by eight I will put him upstairs to sleep and then when I come up, if he is fussing I will take him into bed with me. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

Piffle I do keep telling myself it's a phase and it'll pass.

Right I have put him down as he was asleep, he's in his moses basket, I wonder how long he'll stay asleep for... past form dictates anywhere between two and ten minutes. If he goes longer than ten minutes I'll sleep on the couch, I don't dare risk moving him upstairs.

Kitty I hate to admit it but you are right I think, women are better at it then men, I know that sounds really sexist and I'm sure there are some blokes out there who buck the trend, but to want to let such a tiny baby cry in a dark room by himself just seems unfair.

Maybe I'm just being a pinko liberal and should toughen up a bit!

Well, it's been two minutes... and he's stirring again. Might at least give me chance to go to the loo and get a cup of decaff tea though?

Another feed... and he is asleep again. If I put him down... he will wake! Arrgh!

Do you think the sosh would come over if I leave him cuddled up to the cat for half an hour while I get some shut eye?

He's in his moses basket now... how long before he wakes? He'd better bloody grow some after all this feeding, that's all I can say

don't worry about the tidying mossie whilst he is asleep - get some rest yourself - even if it just veging infront of tele or reading a book or sleeping!!

Morning Eids! What time's it for you?

He slept for 30 mins but now is feeding again. I guess as long as it's normal I can live with it, with the help of crappy 4am TV and Mumsnet 1 handed!!

i think that was around lunchtime mossie

Piffle - where are u? My family is involved with the London Kohanga Reo and we have our annual hangi next month in Guildford (which is the mahi overwhelming me atm). There is a marae there - Hinemihi! We were out there yesterday... she is so beautiful

have to share - was expressing some milk so dh can feed when I am off next weekend and dd2 is watching intently. She then points to my nipple in the pump and says mummy's finger. I had to correct her and say no mummy's nipple. Okay -w ho wants to bet how long before that phrase comes up in public. We hve already had the dd2 has little boobies, mummy has big boobies whilst I was on the phone to a friend - thankfully she is a very close friend

on the down side - think I was speeding when I saw a police radar and am hoping like mad i slowed down before it got me but alas I think not. I was off with the fairies cranky and tired and just wanting to get home for lunch and a rest - was not speeding excessively - but you never know how much leeway they allow. They are very naughty though - they park their car in amongst lots of other cars outside a car body shop so until you are right on it - you do not realise. Wish they would set up a radar on our road to get all the gits that use our street as a drag strip to see how fast they can get before they have to turn the corner.

OH well will know by the time 3 weeks is up - own stupid fault.

Eids you poor thing, I hope they didn't catch you.

Bertie went down at about six and is still asleep now. I managed to get thirty minutes kip but then woke up, doing as much house work as I can before he wakes then will feed change and clothe him, see if I can walk the dogs with him.

I am going to phone mil soon see if either I can go over to hers or she can come here, so I can get some rest / sleep.

I hope this gets better... my nipples, which were getting better, are now really dry again after the constant feeding... I feel cross with dh for what feels like lack of support, and I know he is cross with me for what he thinks is me being soft / a bit of a hippy.

Last night in the middle of the night I looked up a few articles about cluster feeding and how it's normal in the first few weeks, and sent them to his work email. Probably a bit incendiary now I look back but I was knackered and I think if he realises this is normal for a while he'll be less tempted to come up with silly "solutions", iyswim.

Right off to finish the washing up and then... if I get ten more minutes... to put my feet up and watch some telly to rest!!

So much for posting Toby's routine - last night he was asleep at 9 o'clock - and stayed asleep long enough for me to get a bath. I should have known it was too good to be true - because the 11pm feed didn't stop until the 3.30 am one usually does at about 3.45. And then normal service was resumed this morning!

Eidsvold, I overheard my dd telling her little friend that mummy was bleeding from her bottom

Sazzy, I bled on and off post birth for 5 weeks and I'm not expecting af for about 7 months now (fingers crossed) Especially when I've got spies in the house who will announce it to all and sundry Ah sure I'm announcing it to all and sundry on here anyway

Mossy Your dh's job at this stage is to look after you so you can concentrate on the baby. Later on he will be useful for chatting, cuddling, bathing, carrying and playing with Bertie. It is still such early days and Bertie still really needs you on a totally physical level, he was still inside you a couple of weeks ago. But it does change quickly. Hasan is 6 1/2 weeks now and he had such huge smiles for dd when her saw her this morning. He was so pleased to see her!

ds2 and dd exist mostly in an alternative universe these days, they are constantly playing make believe, they are in their own little world. cute.

"Mossy Your dh's job at this stage is to look after you so you can concentrate on the baby."

Any ideas on how to say this to him without coming across as like I'm ordering him about, please post here .

I can't be bothered doing anything today...tired, tired, tired. I'm getting a broken up 6 hours every night between Hasan and the other two little beasties. Which could be worse I know but my initial high has run out this past week or so.

Hasan goes for a couple of 4 hour stretches and the rest of the time he feeds every 2 hours.
Yesterday I worked my butt off in the house all day but it is still chaotic! Argh. Feel like I'm running on a tread mill...running on the spot and getting nowhere! moan, moan, moan....

Mossie - when ds1 was like this the things which worked to get him to sleep were:

1. a drive in the car, and if necessary leave him to sleep in the car seat when you get back - it won't hurt if he's not sleeping there habitually
2. an electric swing - ditto let him sleep in it if it's the only way to get him off, as long as it isn't the only place he sleeps it won't hurt on an occasional basis.