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1becomes3 · 05/04/2007 16:05

Right ladies this is going to be used as a tip's, questions and answers etc thread for those of us who have had our babies and can't keep up with the chat on the other thread. (my word those ladies can talk)

And of course everyone is welcome to post on here the more advice etc the better.

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Eddas · 23/04/2007 17:34

Octo i'm at the comment re ernie's name, bloody cheek. I would not have been very polite to her in your shoes.

Having thought Harry wasn't too common a choice of name it appears that the other mum from pre school who was due 2 weeks after me has called her's Harry too(was born 2 days before mine). And another mum has a ds not at pre school yet but he's called Harry. Also, one of the leaders little boys is Harry(think it's short for Harrison though) so maybe not so common He's still not registered though so could be changed.

All this talk of nipples being sore etc makes me glad i decided against it. Would not be very pleased about being eaten alive. I know it passes but it's not top of my to do list in life i have to say. But keep going those who are bf, I know it's better than bottles and that's what boobs are made for after all!! Mine certainly aren't for ooggling after 2 pgs!!!! Think i'll have to buy myself a wonderbra

eca · 23/04/2007 17:36

hi everyone !

my first postnatal post! how exciting. hope you are all doing well. Haven't had time to read the thread totally yet and catch up, but did see what the evil/rude/OUT-OF-ORDER practice nurse said to Octo and feel like coming round and slapping her one for you! How dare she!!!!!!! Hope that you can ignore her and not let it get to you. I'm just so . It's the kind of thing you want to complain officially about, but who wants to be doing that at the moment??

We had a visit from a useless doctor who told me that "I'm not ill, I've just had a baby" when I asked her about the heamatoma (sp?) and brusing I've got (like the midwife said I should). Anyway she gave me this dodgy cream that the midwife said I really shouldn't be using down there as it had steriods in. Sis wanted me to take it up with the surgery, but -like I said - who wants a battle like that at the moment.

Apart from that we're doing fine. I'm a bit worried about my boobs today as support worker said they looked a bit red and i might develop mastitis (sp?), but hopefully if I keep feeding regularly and massage a bit they will be ok.

We've had a lovely day today, just the 3 of us as a family hanging out. Lots of family came yesterday and I was exhausted by the end of it. So we cancelled those who were meant to be coming over today.

Can you believe I got all sad that he's already 4days old already yesterday?!? My sis brought some photos that she took on his first day and it made me feel all emotional.

Anyway, going to try to catch up, but think the boy might need some milk. Hope that we're all doing ok, especially the twin-mummies!

Eddas · 23/04/2007 17:37

MIL warned me about the willy pointing down!! She should know, has 3 boys of her own, a nephew she used to look after a lot and 2 grandsons(well 3 now!!) We've had a few over the head shots, non at me yet although i'm sure they'll be along soon. DH said Hary shot himself in the eye. Might explain the gooey eyes

eca · 23/04/2007 17:40

ps - whoever recommended lansinoh on the antenatal thread all that time ago - THANK YOU!! It's amazing stuff and really helping!

eca · 23/04/2007 17:44

SOKL - oooooo gorgeous photos! B looks so sweet in her outfit standing watch over the lo.

nuttygirl · 23/04/2007 17:45

ECA - at useless docs...I've had that all last week. They just don't ever seem interested. And don't get me started on the receptionist at the surgery....

1becomes3 · 23/04/2007 18:12

WCL-Have you tried baby massage for colic?
If you want I have a leaflet with how to do it I will email to you if you want to give it a go.
It did help a little bit with DD, when she had colic, but most of her problems were because she was a failed ventouse(SP)

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Sexonknackeredlegs · 23/04/2007 18:22

Octo, I cannot get over the rude comments made re Ernie's name. Grrrrrr!

All ok here. Katie sleeping all the time. Not taking much mik, bu I have to keep reminding myselg she is only 3 days old and her tummy is tiny. She took too much earlier and puked it back - euggh!

ib3, talking of puke, I am so sorry to hear dd has a bug. How unlucky is that. Really hope you don't come down with it and are ok hun.

Saw my broter today, and it was so lovely. Quite emotional on both parts. Hopefully he is coming again in June.

Off to a parents evening at Becky's preschool tonight to see how she is getting on. Poor dh will have the 2 of them on his own. He seems quite unphased by it thank God!

Right, had better get on.

Thanks for all the advice re norks.

Love and hugs

Sexonknackeredlegs · 23/04/2007 18:22

Sorry for all the typo's - the laptop keyboard is pants!

muminasaggytummy · 23/04/2007 18:26

Well I must be getting into the swing of things now as I am managing to actually post!

Hey everyone!!

Robyn is asleep (again) - I was telling the midwife today I was worried as she sleeps too much perhaps I should just enjoy it!!!!
Had a good catch up sleep this afternoon from 2.30 - 5.30 as had little sleep last night but things are going really well.

Octo - I would have slapped that Nurse - silly cow - how DARE she! I am glad you spoke to your GP - seriously you should put it in writing to the Practise Manager because a comment like that, whether its to a hormonal post natal lady or not is completley unaccceptable IMO. I LOVE Ernies name - it is really lovely.

I understand how you are feeling as a family friend e-mailed me to say "Her name will have to grow on me I'm afraid...is it a family name?" I was really cross at that and it's not half as insensitive!

Hope everyone is well, haven't caught up but will try my best from here on in.

Much love
xxx

muminasaggytummy · 23/04/2007 18:30

SOKL - Just checked your profile -the pictures are GORGEOUS! You look so relaxed on the one where you are feeding Katie - it must have been wonderful to climb into bed after the birth and be in your own familiar surroundings.
x

Will go and update mine when I have a mo
x

octo · 23/04/2007 18:38

Thanks ladies

I am going to have an early night tonight - have been staying up til 11pm to do a feed but think will go earlier and get dh to bring ernie up when he starts looking hungry!

Have visitors in the morning and carpet man coming to clean hall in afternoon - but should get a pretty restful day. dh off for another 3 weeks so planning to relax and enjoy ernie as much as poss.

ernie is kind of attached to me most of the time and loves his cuddles - sooo cute

muminasaggytummy · 23/04/2007 19:25

Just been reading back a bit to try and catch up - so much I want to comment on but can't remember etc.

Firstly 1b3 - I just want to send you a massive virtual hug. Your posts about how you were feeling were sohonest and I applaud you for getting your feelings out in the open - I echo what everyone else has said. I can't imagine how hard it must be with two and you are doing a FANTASTIC job. We are here for you to vent whenever you need it.

I wish I had come on here so much sooner as it is so reassuring hearing everyone elses experiences, especially with the breastfeeding. I have been sitting here thinking "Thank god it's not just me" to loads of things. I am pleased with how feeding is going and Robyn is settled for 4 - 5 hrs in between feeds but at night I seem to feed and feed and feed till I have nothing eft in either boob and she won't settle so for the past 2 nights she has had an extra ounce of formula and gone out like a light.

I have cried inconsolably with guilt...Phil just doesn't understand. I wish I could stop beating myself up about it as apart from that she is feeding really well. Just worried that if I top up my boobs won't "learn" to produce more?!" Or should I stop worrying and just carry on as I am ??

Lansinoh is the best thing ever - whoever said about the "Crab crawling at the breast" - I sympathise but the Lansinoh sorted that out for me.

I am still not used to "little girl bits" when nappy changing....
Midwife came today - does anyone ese find it incredibly annoying that you don't know when they are coming. I spend all day waiting so I can get a sleep or get a shower and then invariably decide to go and have a shower and then they turn up!!!
I had my stitch snipped and so it is a bit nippy now but in general I can't beleive how mobile a feel just a week in. Also Robyn is less Jaundice than she was and Midwife is not concerned so that was a releif. Her weight is the same as Saturday so I am pleased she has not lost any more and now my Milk has come in she will hopefully start to gain weight.

Right...that was a long post, hopefully I will manage to eat my tea and then I will have to wake Robyn....it's getting on for 5 hrs she has been asleep - wish she would do that at night!!!!! She can have a feeding fest until we got to bed!

Oh before I forget - whoever said Breastfed babies don't get wind.... - UTTER CRAP! lol
Any tips as well keeping baby awake to feed longer, tried winding, tickling toes, blowing on ear - but she gets milk drunk and feeds seem to take forever....

Thanks
xxx

1becomes3 · 23/04/2007 20:05

MIAST-Have you looked at the BF page that MMK did on the antenatal thread?
I have cut a section out which may offer some help for you.

Also can I let you in on a little secret that helped me to be able to feed Zed as he wasn't intrested in feeding from me and all the expressing I was doing was leaving Lola hungry for more milk which never seemed to be there and it was taking me more than an hour to feed her sometimes.

Marslady told me to try some "babymooning" which as she described it was much the same a "honeymooning" what you do is in the word of mars herself "Baby mooning is like a honeymoon. Being naked and doing lots of skin to skin with your baby (instead of your hubby and without the sex iyswim). You shut out the rest of the world and you take your baby(ies) to bed. Keep it nice and dim, pop a tv in the room if you need the company, read mags. Keep snacks and drinks beside you and get nekkid!!!!!!!!! "

Try and take a couple of hrs a day to just be with your baby completly naked and let her/him find you breast's for them self, they will feed when they are hungry and stop when they are full up.

If you try this when your DH can look after James and you can just be alone with robyn you won't even notice how much time has passed and you milk will be exactly the right amount she needs.
I have also found that since trying this it has cut down the amount of time the DT's spend feeding from me.

read this if you like it may offer some help for you

INCREASING YOUR MILK SUPPLY
OUR ONE-MONTH-OLD DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GAINING AS MUCH WEIGHT AS HE SHOULD. HOW CAN I INCREASE MY MILK SUPPLY?
Remember the three B's of breastfeeding: the breast, the baby, and the brain. To increase your milk supply, the breast needs more stimulation from the baby and making that happen will require some adjustments in your brain. To increase your milk supply, you have to make breastfeeding a priority.
? Increase feeding frequency. Breastfeed your baby at least every two hours during the day. If your baby has been napping for more than two hours, wake her up for a feeding. (See Waking the Sleepy Baby.) Consider waking your baby for at least one extra night feeding, too, especially if you have a baby who sleeps for more than a four or five hour stretch at night.
? Don't wait for your breasts to "fill up" to determine when it's time for another feeding. There is always milk in your breasts for your baby, and more milk is made while you feed. Studies have shown that fat levels in milk are higher when the time between feedings is shorter. This means when you offer the breast again minutes after the last feeding (when your breasts may still feel "empty"), your baby is getting high-fat milk that will help him gain weight.
? Offer the breast more often. The "law of supply and demand" that governs milk production implies that babies will demand the milk they need. Yet, this does not always work. Some babies, especially sleepy babies and those with mellow personalities, may not breastfeed as frequently as they need to without mother doing a bit of prodding. If this sounds like your baby, you need to take the lead and give your baby more frequent opportunities to nurse. Skin-to-skin contact, nap and night nursing, and sling feeding will help to stimulate longer, more frequent feedings.
? Nurse longer. Don't limit the length of your baby's feedings to a predetermined number of minutes on each side. Allow your baby to finish the first breast before switching to the other side. This gives baby an opportunity to fill up on the high-fat hindmilk brought down by the milk-ejection reflex. If you switch your baby to the second side too soon, he'll fill up on the watery foremilk, which will make his tummy feel full but may not give him enough calories to grow.
? Try switch nursing. The advice in the previous point about finishing the first breast first may not work well for babies who suck at a leisurely pace or who fall asleep a few minutes into a feeding. Switch nursing will encourage a baby to suck more vigorously for a longer period of time so that he gets more of the creamier, high-fat hindmilk. In switch nursing, you let the baby feed on the first breast until the intensity of his suck and swallow diminishes. Before he drifts off into comfort sucking, sit him up and switch him to the other breast and encourage him to nurse actively again. When his sucking slows, go back to the first breast, and finally, finish feeding on the other breast. Burp him or change his diaper between sides, if that will help to wake him.
? Try double-nursing. This is an alternative to switch nursing. After you feed your baby and he seems finished, hold or carry him upright and awake for 10 to 20 minutes, allowing any trapped air bubbles to be burped up. This makes room for more milk. Then feed him again on both breasts before you let him go to sleep. Double nursing, like switch nursing, stimulates more milk ejection reflexes, thus increasing the volume and calorie content of your milk.
? Undress baby during feedings. Skin-to-skin contact helps awaken sleepy babies and stimulates less enthusiastic feeders. Undress baby down to his diaper. To maximize skin contact, take off your bra and wear a shirt that you can unbutton all the way down the front. To prevent baby from getting chilled, place a blanket around his back.
? Nap and night nurse. One of the most powerful ways to stimulate increased milk production is to "take your baby to bed and nurse." This relaxes both you and your baby and stimulates longer and more frequent nursings. It also increases your milk-producing hormones and reminds you that breastfeeding your baby is the most important thing you can do at this stage of your life together.
? Sling feed. Naturally, keeping baby inches away from his favorite cuisine will entice him to eat more. Wear your baby in a baby sling between feedings, even when he is napping. In fact, some babies feed better and more often when on the move.
? Get focused. Take inventory of your lifestyle. What activities and worries are draining away energy that could be better spent in caring for yourself and your baby? Are you trying to do too much, so that you're not taking enough time to sit down and feed and enjoy your baby? To make more milk for your baby, you have to make breastfeeding and taking care of yourself a priority. Let go of other responsibilities for a while. Have your partner share in non-feeding infant care, so that you can rest, take a walk, or take a shower.
? Get household help. Get help with laundry, dishes, cooking, and cleaning. If you have a demanding toddler, hire a teen to come to your house after school to entertain your older child and give you a few hours of relief so you can sit and relax and nurse your baby.
? No pacifiers, no bottles. When there are concerns about weight gain, all your baby's sucking should be done at the breast. Bottles of formula will interfere with the balance between your milk supply and baby's need, so will satisfying baby's sucking need with a pacifier. If it is medically necessary to give your baby supplementary feedings, try alternatives to bottles that don't involve artificial nipples.
? Think baby, think milk. While you are feeding, stroke and calm your baby using a lot of skin-to-skin contact - a practice called grooming. Enjoy his sweet face and the feel of his skin. This will help your milk ejection reflex. The milk ejection reflex squeezes the milk you make out of the milk glands and down into the ducts and milk sinuses where it's available to the baby. Between breastfeedings and immediately before a feeding, imagine your infant nursing at your breast and your breasts pouring out milk to satisfy your baby.
? Try herbs to increase your milk supply. There are no scientific studies that show that certain herbs will make you produce more milk, but some mothers and lactation consultants believe that certain herbs can stimulate your body to make more milk. (See "Galactogogues" for more information.) Remember, though, that an herbal tea or other concoction can not substitute for more frequent nursing as a way to tell your body to make more milk.
? Get professional help. Contact your local La Leche League Leader and/or a professional lactation consultant for tips on increasing your milk supply. A lactation consultant can help you evaluate your baby's latch-on and suck so you can be certain that baby is nursing effectively. Support from a La Leche League Leader or the other mothers in a La Leche League Group will help you feel more confident about your ability to nourish your baby.
? Trust that nature's system works. If you're nursing often enough, and baby is sucking effectively, you will make enough milk. It's rare that a mother is unable to produce enough milk for her baby. And while it may seem that your life is stressful, mothers throughout history have breastfed their babies through war, famine, and personal tragedies. Your body nourished this baby through pregnancy. There's no reason to think that you won't succeed at breastfeeding.
? Massaging your MER. Giving your breast just the right touch can help trigger your MER, especially if your breasts are engorged, your nipples are sore, or your baby is impatient.

  1. Apply a warm compress to your breast, such as a warm towel or cloth diaper soaked in warm water. Then, with your fingertips, stroke from the top of the breast down and over the nipple, using a light feather touch. This helps you relax and helps stimulate your oxytocin.
  2. Using a motion similar to the one you use when examining your breasts, massage the milk-producing glands and ducts by pressing the breast firmly with the flat of the fingers into the chest wall, beginning at the top and working in a spiral down toward the areola. Massage in a circular motion a few strokes at a time before moving to another spot.
  3. While leaning forward, gently shake your breasts, allowing gravity to encourage the stimulation to release milk.
TECHNIQUES ON WAKING A SLEEPING BABY To help baby awaken and feed more eagerly: ? Try to wake baby during REM sleep. This lighter stage of sleep is recognized by fluttering eyelids, sleep grins, clenched fists, and limbs that are not limp. A baby in deep sleep is harder to rouse. ? Prod baby a bit. Undress both of you from shoulder to waist, and place baby skin-to-skin against your tummy and breast, while you drape a towel or lightweight blanket over baby's exposed back and head. Your own body heat should keep him toasty (a mother's skin temperature automatically goes up a bit while breastfeeding) but not so toasty that he falls asleep. ? If that doesn't work, hold baby upright and talk to him to encourage him to open his eyes. ? Instead of the usual bonding positions (which relaxes babies), straighten out his body and extend his arms - postures that perk up the brain. ? Stroke the palms of his hands and soles of his feet to help him wake up. ? Rub baby's face with a cool washcloth. ? Hand express a few drops of colostrum, your supermilk. Using your moistened nipple, tickle his lower lip to stimulate him to open his mouth. Talk him into continuing to nurse with a bit of gentle chatter while you feed. If he nods off, stroke his legs or pat his back. ? Get in the habit of switching breasts as soon as baby begins to fade. Intersperse a burp or a brief back rub on the way to the other breast. This is called switch nursing. ? If baby drifts off after only a few minutes of sucking, take him off the breast and help him wake up again before latching him on to the other side. Wake him up several times if you have to, until he has nursed well for ten or fifteen minutes. When baby is done nursing, let him simply rest at your breast and lick your nipple, actions that get the milk-making hormones flowing.
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muminasaggytummy · 23/04/2007 20:13

1b3 - thanks so much for that - I had quite forgotten about that info from MMK.

Gosh there is alot there that I can do that should help - brilliant.

I think I may be leaving her much too long too sleep - so that will not help with supply.

I think I will definatley try the switch nursing as well - I've already been doing that today to be honest and changing her in between boobs to try and wake her - she is so sleepy!!!

I must go and awake her - she is STILL asleep!
x

LesleyR · 23/04/2007 20:22

Had a quick read through after dinner. George has been asleep for ages, hopefully that doesn't mean he'll be up all night.

Octo - and at practise nurse comments. WTH has it got to do with her? Ernie is a lovely name. Even my DH who rejected all my other boy's name suggestions has said to to tell you he likes it.

Glad to hear that sore nipples are rife even amongst you experienced BFers. I seem to have moved on to the toe curling latch, from the continuous "nipping nipples". Thank goodness for Lansinoh.

DH has to go back to work tomorrow but has to stay away overnight. Was panicking about 1st time alone with George being for 36 hours (sounds a bit wet I know). Thankfully ILs are going to visit on their way back to Northumberland from a wedding in Wales.

I can hear my boy waking up. Have a good evening all.

1becomes3 · 23/04/2007 20:44

Octo- that is so terrible what the nurse said I would complain, but that's just me i love to complain.

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eca · 23/04/2007 22:44

MIAST -haven't read through mmk's stuff yet (so this might be on there) but mw recommended stripping Torrin down and putting him on a plastic changing mat to bring him round xx

claricebean · 24/04/2007 08:21

Hi everyone, hope you all had good nights. Ours wasn't brilliant as Ruby was awake from 10pm till 3am which is te first time she's done that. To be fair, she wasn't really fussing - just awake, or pooing (huge poo - she seems to only do one every other day) plus some wanting milk. I managed to snooze on and off with her lying in bed next to me. Anyway, she slept from 3 till 8am in the end, so not too bad. When MIL comes back from school run, I think I'll have breakfast with her and then maybe go back to bed for a while

DH home in FIVE days

Sexonknackeredlegs · 24/04/2007 08:29

Morning all, hope everyone is feeling ok.

We had a slightly beter night here, but Katie also seems to favor being awake between 10.00 and 2.00 which is not ideal! She was also mega hungry. Had a 3oz bottle at 9.30, wanted another at 11.00, and then again at 1.30! Gladly after that she went to sleep and was up at 7.30.

Dh and I were really grmpy wih each other last night as well. I told him to f off . I know we are both tired, but he doesn't seem to appreciate my body is still recovering, and my boobs - MY GOD THEY HURT LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!

All seems ok today, but he is peeing me off, as he is also trying to work from home and not fully focused on family life, which I think is a real shame.

Anywa, apologies, rant over.

Need to get on, but will be back later to see how all you yummy mmmy's are.

Lots of love

octo · 24/04/2007 09:08

Morning ladies - we had a much better night last night - fed at 9.30, 1am and 4am - so pretty good going - feel almost human! I put some lansinoh on my sore nips and it has cleared it up already - midwife gave me a free sample sachet. Ernie seems a bit snacky at the moment - want him to have a 2o min feed but he wants 10 mins max - but as he slept longer not too worried.

Visitors due any minute ...

Have a good day everyone

claricebean · 24/04/2007 09:11

Hugs SOKL re DH and boobs. I remember when I had to stop bf suddenly with DS at 6 months. I tried to wean him slowly onto bottles, but he didn't want to and in the end he just had to stop abruptly (I was about to have hospital treatment including drugs that would go into the milk). My boobs were agony and it took 8 days for the milk to dry up (am sure it won't be so long for you as that was feeding a hungry six month old who wasn't really weaned). So sympathise with the pain. Sorry your DH is being a pain too. They just don't always get it, do they?

claricebean · 24/04/2007 09:12

Hi octo - x post. Glad you had a better night

EllieKthePA · 24/04/2007 09:16

Pesha's had her baby!

WestCountryLass · 24/04/2007 10:48

Octo, I cannot believe that nurse said something about Ernies name One of those moments when you don't say anything because you can't quite believe someone would be so rude!

Thanks to everyone who suggested things for the colic, DS had it too so I have already stopped eating anything that is remotely tastey and have been peddling his legs like a mad woman, he will be ready for the tour de france at this rate, The amount of gas one small person can produce is astounding. DH was keeping count and in one minute he did 37 farts and the longest one was 6 seconds long