It's the Christmas party at Mugabe nights, pull up a bar stool and order your shots! August 2015

[FattyNinjaOwl]

New thread for all the regulars at the bar, and the not so regulars too.

Xposts grok- hope you've had a good Xmas and new year- 2 weeks with the in laws wow you're brave!! Sure you must have nearly overdosed on chocolate to get you through?? Ohhhh you just reminded me the wedding favours yesterday were hot chocolate powder, little marshmallows and a mini baileys- I'm soooo off to knock one up!!! I'll pass them round the bar later too!!!

Ola!
We have had a little bit of progress on the feeding front 🙂 Tonight at dinner we sat Ds in his high chair while we ate and gave him a beaker of formula to play with. He really enjoyed rubbing the tip of the beaker on his gums (teething still) and definitely got a bit of formula in his mouth without doing a 'holy fuck why are you trying to poison me?' scream. There was formula everywhere, but I figure getting him used to the taste can't be a bad thing.
Still a long way off, but I'm happy for now.

He was shouting loads again before bed, but went to sleep before 8 and is still snoozing.

fanby, a big whoop whoop 🙌🏻 to Molly for doing good sleep and self settling. Go girl!! Glad you had a good night. We are 6 days away from the end of the leap. I'm pretty sure it started bang on time, so I'm very much looking forward to Ds doing 8 hours a night again 😉

7-7 sleeping kbb? Yay! Living the dream!

Absolutely yes to burning the nursing bra's clstow and everything. Although, I may be in for a few more years of bf'ing the way Ds is at the moment.

Ds is also doing the whirring cogs look mzzf. It's amazing stuff to watch. We've been playing with some of his new Christmas toys today and watching him trying to work this out has been brilliant
www.tesco.com/direct/fun-time-pop-up-farm-yard-friends-for-18m/262-1438.prd?skuId=262-1438&pageLevel=sku&sc_cmp=ppc_sh--sh--bg-_-262-1438&gclid=CO60h8DMicoCFUGVGwodICIEWw&gclsrc=aw.ds
The joy on his face when he got one to pop had me almost in tears.
We're a bit crap on the schedule front - but I try not to let Ds sleep past 6pm. I think I may need to move it to 5:30 as he seems to be tolerating longer stretches awake now. Today has been great in terms of napping and mood and went like this-ish :
7am wake
8am nap
9am wake
11:30am nap
1pm wake
3pm nap
5:30 wake
7:45 asleep
Things (especially Ds) get in the way, but I generally find days go well if they look a bit like this.
😮 At her being 5 months already.

everything, I really hear you on the being ill for too long / sleep regression / feeling down front. Let's hope January brings us health and sleep.
What date was your Ds due? Wonder weeks goes by edd. I'm happy to check if you tell me what it was.

In laws for 2 weeks grok?! 🏅🎖here are some medals for you 😉
Good luck with the new room tonight.
And yes, I have totally overdosed on chocolate!

Glad the wedding went well lily.
We are also trying valiantly to finish all the chocolate in the house before healthy eating starts. It's a big job, but I reckon we can do it!

Right, better get some zzzz's in while I can. Good night 😴

Yay baby frolic! Sounds like a promising start.

We are equally unscheduled with naps, today was 730 wake up 9am nap for 30 minutes, 1230 nap for 30 minutes, 1330 nap for about 2 hours, 1630 nap for about 2.5 hours. Yesterday was completely different. No sign of sleep at the moment, so DH has taken him up to try rocking to sleep.

Am enjoying watching J work things out and take it all in - we got him a disco ball for Xmas as he loves the ones at our music classes. Watching him transfixed by the lights is so lovely. Am hanging onto that while I can hear him bellowing upstairs. Will give DH another 5 minutes before I go and rescue him.

mzzzf DS goes to bed even later. A typical day is:
7:30 wake, feed and doze until 8:30
8:30 get up and play until 10:30
10:30 - 12 feed and lap nap.
13:00 quick feed then out in the pram, sleep until 15:30
16:00 to 17:00 feed and lap nap
I cook dinner, we eat while DS plays
18:30 to 19:30 Feed/sleep on boob
20:00 start bedtime routine,

22:00 to 23:00 baby actually asleep in cot.
Feeds overnight at around 2:30 and 4:30

I'd worry that he doesn't sleep enough, it's usually about 11 hours a day, but he's a really happy chilled out chap. He falls asleep easily when tired, he just isn't much of a sleeper!

Thanks frolic. He was due on the 8th Aug born on the 13th. Just finished a feed so off back to bed. I have decided I need to give up my child free evenings for a bit in favour of sleep. Hooe it helps me feel better soon. Night night

Helloooo!! She slept, she slept, I wept! Omg she slept 8 until just gone 2!! 6 hours, my boobs don't know what to do with themselves!! Absolutely lovely to wake up and have all the posts to catch up on. For the last few weeks i feel like I've been hammering it at mugabes!!

Mzzf - In regards to naps, molly has 3 on a good day, 9ish, middayish and 4ish lasting no more than 40/45mins. Bath time is at 7 and she then has a feed from 7:30ish where she starts to get dozy....she wakes around 8am, usually before x

Just wanted to add, when I said all the posts to catch up on, didn't mean it in a way of other babies not sleeping so you're all posting, more that I hadn't checked Mumsnet and I went to bed at half 8! I wish all the sleepy vibes for everyone

Mixed night here. Ages to get the little monkey to stay asleep (2.5hrs!) but then she did a 90mim, feed then a 3hr stretch - hoorah! Then fed and another hour and a bit and now here I am up and downstairs.

So good to hear tales of improvement for you guys, still think big sleeps are way way way off for us but hey ho!

Interesting about the naps ladies. DDs have been very changeable over the last few weeks but her best one is normally late afternoon so not sure if that's impeding on her night sleep but am loathed to wake her.

DH having a lie in this morning, will really miss that lump when he goes back to work!

Morning all!
Not a bad night, Ds woke every 3 hours.
We're off to see dh's granny today - a 2 hour drive each way through the mountains. I'm really hoping that ds isn't in a nap fighting mood.

Love the thought of little J boogieing on down to a disco ball tindel. A future groover in the making.

According to the ww app, you are 11 days from the next leap everything. I have taken a screen shot for you. Don't worry too much about it though - plenty of posters are finding that their babies aren't following the ww at all.

Well done Molly on another great sleep! Hope the boobs are ok fanby.

I was just thinking how much I will miss dh when he goes back to work as well mzzf. I think Ds will too. I am looking forward to getting a bit more of a routine going with groups and stuff.

Better go - long day ahead!
Happy Saturday mugabeans 🙂

Think we had one of the worse nights in a long time - I finally got to sleep just before 2am. DH and I have decided to get this sorted out - we are going to avoid napping after 5pm and try to start bedtime from 7pm. That way if we have hours of bellowing, it finishes earlier. J still doesn't do much daytime sleeping and is wide awake now - DH and I are both shattered!

Yay for mini mzzf and Molly having better nights! frolic I feel the same - as lovely as it has been having DH home, I think going back to our regular routine will tire J out more and hopefully we can get better sleeps in. I know we have it much less bad than others, but at the moment, I would happily trade a few night feeds for the hours of crying we currently have before J finally gives in and falls asleep. We had them back for a while as well, but still hours of crying before settling down. Was thinking we need to move to the cot quite soon and not sure if we should just bite the bullet and do it now or wait for sleep to settle down first - any thoughts?

Hope you have lovely relaxing days - we are out for lunch with DH's friends to show off J, hoping he will be in the mood to charm them rather than grizzling, which has happened the last few times he's been out meeting people

Frolic yay for the formula and DS doing it himself! We're going to get him a soppy cup today as he is constantly trying to grab glasses and cups off us when we are drinking now- have a hilarious pic from Xmas day of him reaching out with both hands for a glass of wine- I'll post it when I get it sent off DH's phone!

We don't seem to have any routine to naps/ the day either but a nap around 11.30 does seem to occur regardless of what time he got up. Naps have reverted back to 30/45 mins max the last few weeks and I'm missing the long 3 hour ones as I can't get as much done!

Tindel- I would go ahead and move the cot if I were you, although I find it annoying that I have to trudge across the landing several times a night- I think it was 6 times last night- it has stopped us all disturbing each other more frequently.

Fanby woohoo for the sleep!!

I'm a bit puzzled with DS's feeding this last week he has ramped up night feeds up demolishing 2 7oz bottles last night but is really faffy with them in the day and rarely finishes them. I'm considering only giving him smaller feeds overnight in a bid to get him to eat properly in the day and maybe even drop the night feeds again but having been pretty baby led till now it seems a bit mean. Any thoughts?

Morning. DS had a better night. The last few nights we've been have 2 hourly wake ups. I'll take that. Mzzzf congrats on the magic 3 hours!! And Fanby huge well done on the sleep. Am sending you a high 5 across the Thames!!

Ok in terms of naps we are trying and having some success with the 90 minute gaps. However I think that our problem is DS gets up really late (don't hate me) but most days he gets up at 9:30. However it basically means when he falls asleep at 7pm he thinks it's a nap. So will wake again by 8pm and then want another 90 minute awake time with me and DH fighting him to get him to sleep. Meaning is not just with us but awake until about 10pm. I think I need to bite the bullet and start waking him in the mornings. My fear is I'll have an early riser and late partier. He also gets way less than recommended sleep but he's a happy little chap in between so I figure it's fine.

Lily I think it's worth a shot. So much of babies is trial and error. Starting to wake DS will be the first non baby led thing we have done but figure sometimes they need a hand / bit of guidance. And it's ok to seize a bit of control back

High five to fellow lap nappers. My very lovely and well meaning friend will not stop going on at me about how bad it is. But he will not nap in his cot and am not fighting him on this anymore.

We might brave the sales today. Wish me luck.

kbro and Siani xpost in worry your LO doesn't nap enough. Kbro my LO also gets up late and goes to bed late. I remember back around on the I started having a 7am start to the day and DD did self regulate to give me evenings back. But her sleep still isn't that consistent - we had one 12-hour sleep (8-8) with one feed at 6 but another night that same week she only went to bed at 1.30am and was up from 8 or so.

Did first night in the nursery last night! She took a while to settle in the cot (started sleeping of her own accord at 6pm but only settled by 11ish). Up at 3.30 and 7.30 then down for nap at 8.30 and 12.30. She made noises at 6.30 but was able to leave her and she went back to bed!!! Huge benefit of having her in her own room.

Has anyone thought of sleep training at all? Reading up on CIO or seeing if LO will lead herself back to good sleeping schedule like she did before sleep regression. I know sleep training is like a dirty word!! Just wondering if it was in anyone's mind and what your goals are (mine is to get LO sleeping 12 hours on her own in her nursery).

Might brave sales today too - plan is to introduce food to LO today, doing purée carrots! Yum

Kbro thanks for the agreement I think I will give it a go tonight! He's no where near sleeping through so I figure I can't 'ruin' his sleep exactly by doing it!

I keep thinking I need to start getting DS up earlier for when I'm back at work but at the minute he's having a feed around 5.30/ 6ish and going back to sleep like yours till 9ish so I figure if he did carry on doing this (I know I know baby's change all the time!) then I could dress him before that feed and if he does go back to sleep I can use that time to get myself ready and be out to get him to nursery just after 7 where if he carries on sleeping that's fine!

Grok yay for the first night solo! Not thought about sleep training here although I thought l from tonight I'm going to go back to putting DS down sleepy/ awake and then watching him on the monitor- as long as he isn't crying or unhappy I'll leave him to it and see if he can go asleep himself- he had cracked it before the regression so hopefully he can do it again! I certainly couldn't do CIO I can't stand to hear him crying and not be comforting him- even when DH has him it breaks my heart!

Good shout on the sales I had forgotten about them- going out to stock up on baby milk, nappies rtc for the month so I may as well have a peep whilst we're out right? We have vouchers too for DS.

Happy shopping guys!

We're back home after a long day visiting dh's granny. 4 hours in the car, but Ds was a superstar and has actually gone to sleep without any fuss tonight! Hopefully I won't pay for it later.

I hope you had a nice time meeting your friends tindel. We have had similar issues with Ds shouting and crying and fighting sleep in the evenings. No naps after 6pm, and holding offfeeding if possible (then feed to sleep) seem to have really helped. It's not consistent by far, but we are getting to the stage of him mostly being down by 8-9 ish. I hope you get some rest from it soon. It's so frustrating when they don't sleep but are desperate for it.

I hope you got some bargains in the sales lily and kbro. I'm envious of your lie in's! Ds was sleeping until 9-10, but is now waking about 7. I am slowly getting my evenings back though. the stopping him napping after 6 has been the first non baby led thing we've done, and it's been really helpful so far. Nothing wrong with a nudge in the right direction I suppose.

Hooray for a good night in the nursery grok. I hope tonight goes the same way. I've not really thought much about sleep training. We're very lucky in that Ds will wake to feed a lot, but tends to settle back to sleep without too much difficulty. I'm not in any hurry to stop bf'ing or put Ds in his own room, so don't really have any goals as such in that respect. i would like him to be taking some form of bottle / drink by the time I go back to work in May, so I'm gently introducing him to formula at the moment, but not having much luck so far.

I hope everyone has had a lovely Saturday 🙂

Hey hey.

Must be something in the air shopping-wise, I left DS and his Dad asleep this morning and headed to Oxford Street. Primary aim was to get a present for my best mate's baby shower which is tomorrow (so yeah, bit last minute of me!), but also was looking for boots for when I go back to work (in Feb, sob) but everywhere I went it was all shit! Hope you guys had better luck than me.

I guess DS's last nap usually ends between 4:30 and 5 and he usually goes down about 7:45/8pm. His last nap is always really short as well - 30 mins max.

That said his sleep has regressed in every possible way since Christmas. Length of sleep, ease of going down, number of resettles, number of night feeds... You name it, he's hating it. DP and me have been sharing the nights while he's off but he's back to work on Monday so am hoping things will start improving as quickly as they went down hill.

Gotta say at this stage I'm not at all keen on the idea of CIO Grok. Just not for me - no judgement whatsoever. In fact lots of people I know who have older babies have told me how effective it is so I would never say never... How did the purees go?

Don't worry about lap naps Kbro, at least he's getting some sleep. Like you said previously it's a good chance for you to catch up on some TV - and lapnap is soo better than no nap.

Great work on the sleep Fanby, and on the formula Frolic.

Can I ask the formula feeders - how many bottles a day does your LO have? And how many oz/ml per bottle? Just want to get a feel if DS is over eating as DP is worried we're over feeding him.

Hope everyone is having a fab Saturday night.

Clstow ds usually has 5 bottles a day of 7 or 8oz per feed

DD usually is offered 5 or 6 210ml bottles per 24hrs, usually takes anyway between 700-1000mls and has 3 little meals too. She is very active though, the jumperoo is getting a hammering!!

Getting DD to 'bed' is taking ages. She'll happily drop off quickly enough after lullaby lights thing and feed etc. So I wait at least 20mina for floppy limbs before transferring to cot, sneak downstairs for approx 10mins and BOOM! She's up again. What are we doing wrong?! Then we still have to wait for the floppy limbs again after each wake up to put her down again - Arrrgh!!

Got to go again!

Frolic did you have to start waking your DS or did he naturally get up earlier when you started putting him to bed earlier? DS will not go to bed.

Clstow I have heard good things about tesco boots this year. I know sounds unlikely but apparently so! Thanks for your support about the napping. Exactly. Lap nap is much better than no nap. No nap equals over tired screaming and terrible night sleep. Currently we just have terrible night sleep.

We sacked off sales shopping for a sofa day. Going to go tomorrow. DS car seat is only up to six months and he already looking big in it so hoping to get next one. Gulp.

Bad mamma alert!

Went up to resettle DD and something made me turn her into her side and KAZAM! She went back to sleep no both and is quiet as a mouse. No rocking for 30mins etc.
Thinking about it, she is always sideways on when napping on us...
Am I bad?

Hi all. DS is also very firmly a lap sleeper in the day! He does like to usually be in bed by half five now though so I usually start the routine around five. Bath, pj's, book, bottle, songs, bed. I still then feed again at half 8 and 11 ish. We offer DS between 7 and 9 feeds a day always 180 ml but he usually takes anything from 100 to 200 averaging around 900 ml per day. If he's going through a spurt he will take more. I read that babies know instinctively how much they need. Finally got DS to take some formula made from the powder which is actually firming up his poos. Tmi!!

We went out for a lovely family lunch today just the three of us. And a nice walk.

X posts mzzf! DS can now roll so keeps going onto his side. Not so great when he gets stuck on his front and cries until we turn him!

Oh mzzf, it's so tough. You're not doing anything wrong. How long do you stay after putting her down? I feed Ds to sleep, wait until he's floppy, transfer to sleepyhead and then wait 10 mins or so until he seems deeply asleep before going downstairs. If I go off to quickly, it's like he senses I'm not there and starts yelling.

He started waking earlier by himself when we got him to bed earlier kbro.
Ds' car seat is meant to go up to 13kg. He's only about 7kg now, but his long legs are already almost touching the ends. We tried him sitting up today (lay flat car seat) and he hated it!

X-posts!

Not a bad mamma mzzf! Maybe a very clever one of it works! I have no idea about dude sleeping. Check out the guidance and stuff about minimising risk and make an informed decision. I think the lullaby trust website is best for advice.

mzzzf DS has slept on his side since he was about 6 weeks. His reflux was so bad that he just gagged and choked on his back. He rolls himself back and forth between side and back now.