It's the Christmas party at Mugabe nights, pull up a bar stool and order your shots! August 2015

[FattyNinjaOwl]

New thread for all the regulars at the bar, and the not so regulars too.

frolic we are baking joulutortut and piparkakut finland.fi/christmas/christmas-cookbook/#pas
You are very welcome to join in / act as mediator

They look yummy slow!

Haha slowwife, that is so true!!! And those look deeeeeeeeeelicious!!!! Yum yum yum!!

I'm going to scratch those first two wake ups and count this as her first, clearly feeling generous tonight!

are you all asleep?

Oh my god, just fuck tonight for sleep. I've had about an hour and we've been in bed since half 8. GO THE FUCK TO SLEEP BABY.

frolic you are not alone! Not asleep here either!!

fanby I am viewing this as 'official ' wake up no.1 too - despite the fact that we've only actually been asleep properly for about 2 and a half hours despite going to bed at 7:30pm. Who knows what all the evening crying was about

siani m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk9Akeby12s

DH and I are going to try a new thing of if it's less than 3 hours he's going to get up and settle her as with me I always feed her. We're hoping this might help, we're willing to try anything!! But of course now we've agreed this she keeps going until it's just verrrrrry slightly over 3 hours!

Yuck!
9-1 wasn't too bad - but it's been every hour since 😴
Double expresso martinis anyone?

One for me please frolic! What a night!

There is a theory fanby that babies may settle better with someone who doesn't smell of milk. Your plan is definitely worth a try!

Yeh the plan didn't work, she screamed the house down. I fed her, we're now just letting the milk go down. FFS, any other ideas ladies??!

When DH finishes work on Friday he is getting the bottles of expressed milk and I'm gonna have a night off...she says!

He slept! 11-6! I am so freakin happy right now
I'm hoping this is sleep regression over, but not counting on it.

☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕ extra strong for those visiting the bar last night.

Haven't fully caught up yet but just quickly wanted to add something.

Mzzf vegetables have hardly any calories in which is why this stage of weaning doesn't fill them up and make them sleep. It's probably further down the line when they're eating more substantial things and larger amounts. Milk has far more calories in than vegetables.

Sleeping......I think it's unfair to judge other mums on who is the most tired just because one mum is getting more sleep than another doesn't mean they don't have a right to feel tired or 'overwhelmed' by the relentlessness. Sorry I just think we should support each other, not make it a competition on who's the most tired. Of course those who are having no sleep are having the toughest time and I feel really sorry for those of you that are and I wish that I could give u all a magic cure for it but other mums are still allowed to feel tired.

9 time out of 10 I get a full nights sleep but it's not the same full nights sleep that I used to get pre baby so yeah I do feel tired and I am feeling overwhelmed by the amount of things I need to do but then don't have the energy to do. But I'm not allowed to say that because I get more sleep than most of you.

Apart from this night because I didn't do a dream feed as both me and dp wanted an early night and she had her 3rd jabs yesterday so we've been up since 4. She had a temp of 39 and is a bit more grumpy than usual but she did go back to sleep after a feed. I couldn't go back to sleep though. Contemplated getting up and doing all the housework that needs doing but my bed was too comfy.

I do really hope that some of u get one sleep soon. I really don't know how u manage sometimes.

YAAAAAAS Fatty!! You needed that break in the nightmare - huzzah!

Dozy - tell me about it not filling her up, the little milk monster still guzzles a litre of milk a day! As she's so young this is all just tastes no real serious quantities, although I reckon she's break my arm for a sausage sarnie if she could 😁

Don't feel shit about the getting sleep/feeling tired thing. Everyone is different and it's certainly not a competition. I don't think anyone here thinks like that, it's more solidarity of knackeredness and feeling like you're not alone when there's no sleep on the horizon.
I totally think I'd be pooped even If she did sleep more, entertaining a baby all day solo is bloody exhausting, right!?! But our (well, mine) moaning comes from that daytime-looking-after-baby-tiredness plus the relentlessness of not getting rest at night either. It sucks, and I say that from having a baby who sticks two fingers up to me at bedtime 😀

Essentially feel free to join in the moaning, I'm not going to stop complaining about lack of sleep anytime soon and I'll still be asking Santa for more than 4hrs sleep in a row 😁

DH is off today and tomorrow - thank the baby Jesus! Maybe I'll get a Christmas card written out at last!!

We're picking up the hand/foot prints pottery stuff today too!!

Wow fatty that's just great especially as you have been so poorly - fingers crossed this continues for you!

dozy I don't think anyone feels it's a tiredness competition (apart from me and DH!) - I wish my DD would sleep for longer at night or not have to sleep on top of me but on the flip side she self settles in the day and sleeps for 2-3 hour stretches. All babies sleep eventually but the tiredness of being a mum seems never ending - fortunately all the good bits make up for this

My friend visited yesterday - her DD is 5 weeks younger than mine. I was really looking forward to a catch up but she came with her mum. Her mum is lovely but you can't chat the same. She has never been alone with the baby at all - maybe I am a bit as I have no help but I do think this is a bit strange?? Anyway they didn't stay long as baby screaming and she said she will only settle in pram so off they went in the pouring rain. It's funny how friendships change when you have a baby - I thought we would meet up all the time and go out and about with the babies - but she just wants to be with her mum and DH. Will have to find another little friend fir DD!!!

I think we've cracked the 1st nap of the day in the crib thing 🙂. This is about the 7th day running that I've just left him there with some white noise and he's self settled without any tears. yay!
I may even use the time to write some Christmas cards.

For what it's worth, as someone who has had lots of sleep and now no bloody sleep, I just want to say that I have never felt judged, in a competition or like I'm not allowed to say how I feel on this thread. I have felt nothing but support from each and every one of you.
Being a parent is difficult for so many different reasons. Some of us struggle with sleep, for others it is illness, crappy other halves, feeding, or a million other things. I've never been made to feel bad for not having a problem with things others find difficult.
Yes, we have had a bit of a moan about random strangers' comments - but they are random strangers, and this thread is not about supporting them. I would bet, however, that if those random strangers came on this thread, they would feel nothing but support, whatever their challenges.
I don't think any of us should feel bad for having a bit of a moan.

Don't worry about telling us about Piper sleeping well dozy - it is great to hear positives. I hope she's ok after her jabs. This 3rd lot seem very nasty. I'm not looking forward to them at all.

Get in baby fatty! I'm so pleased you've had some decent kip, especially with your mega busy week.

No idea's, sorry fanby. I keep telling myself that every shot night is closer to the night where it all stops. A night off sounds like a great idea.

Enjoy dh's time off mzzf.

That does sound a bit odd loves. I would never think to take my mum with me to a friends house. She must be feeling really nervous about being on her own with the baby. I would imagine though that the longer she delays it, the harder it will be.

Ah dozy your quite right. And of course you can feel just as tired / overwhelmed / stressed out even on good sleep. Please everyone feel free to moan and stess about anything you want.

DS had decided he hates his crib. He will sleep in it for only 3 hours and then nothing else. And don't even get him started on this crazy idea mummy has about day time sleeping in it. Think maybe we'll try his proper cot. we are away for a week and a half from Friday so not worth bothering till back. Plus according to wonder weeks app everything gets completely better on 23rd anyway.

So I wrote some Christmas cards. Hurray. Just need to address them and then they are done. Phew.

loveandsmiles she's never been alone with her own baby?! That's downright weird. I don't think I would even bond properly, and it'd definitely make me totally lack confidence.

I love the "go the fuck to sleep" video it's a classic!! 😁

No napping this morning for the little sleep vampire so went to mums and tots anyway. She didn't want to feed as it was waaaaay too exciting. So I walked the 15second walk home and the little monkey is asleep on my shoulder! Arrrghh! Maybe a walk should be part of the infamous bedtime routine?! 😏

Never been on her own with the baby?! Something queer about that I reckon there must be some other stuff going on there!

siani & mzzf her DH goes to work then her mum arrives for the day until DH comes home - I have never seen a baby so fussed over in my life - wrapped a certain way in a shawl, rocked a certain way, has to have white noise on all the time (iPad) - I didn't want to say anything as I am always terrified of coming across as a 'know it all' having a few DCs but honestly it's very strange. I am still learning and probably do things that others consider strange but I do think you should be able to spend a day on your own with your baby. Each to their own I suppose !

I've just been to the dentist for a filling - baby slept and toddler played quietly - such a relief - home now and toddler having a tantrum about I don't know what and baby feeding - still at least they 'behaved' beautifully in public......

WOOHOOO fatty! That's so amazing gives me hope you proper deserve a break too!

Dozy - I love hearing about piper, gives me hope that 'this too shall pass' with miss molly lol! I really don't feel there is any competition, personally for me it's nice to know I'm not the only one that this is happening too and my baby isn't 'broken'

Loveandsmiles - so so odd about your friend??! I agree, because I don't have family on the doorstep maybe I find it extra weird but each to their own I guess

Frolic - excellent news on the nappage!!! I'm still using the dummy when we're at home for naps in the cot but it does work lol!!

Kbro - roll on the 23rd ey??! Ours finishes January 1st if ive counted correctly lol!!

Soooo 3rd set of jabs done HURRRAHH!! She didn't turn beetroot this time, obviously she cried (as did I) but she gave me a filthy look of mummy WHHHHYYY! I told her I'd bribe her with new toys and she piped down pretty quick and didn't even want much boob! So I haven't given her any calpol as ive just fed her and she's asleep on me. Should I calpol her up when she wakes??

I wasn't on my own till DS was 5 weeks old. DH had 3 weeks off and then my mum stayed for 2 weeks. I honestly think though I didn't find my confidence until I was on my own. I now think it would have been better to have a week on my own in the middle instead of waiting so long. Wonder if all is ok with your friend? Is she struggling? Also love my mum to bits and we get on really well but ALL day everyday?? Blimey no........

Fanby I did. We got home and DS had a sleep and a feed and I erm couldn't find the calpol. But when he woke (and I'd hunted the calpol down) I gave him some. He didn't get a temp but was very Velcro baby for the rest of the day. Fingers crossed Molly takes on the chin more than aidan did

Kbro - I think that's normal! DH had two weeks off, then it was bank hol so had 4 days solo then my mum came for a week. But to go this long with no solo time sounds pretty hardcore. I hope she's ok!
We calpol'd it up at 2 o'clock when she woke up. Thought it was for the best, figured two birds with one stone with the teething too . Hope Aidan is ok!!

TMI - Going to take molly to get weighed tomorrow, reckon it's been over a month since we last went. She's gone back to poo'ing after every feed so a bit concerned that she may have lost weight even though the nurse that vaccinated her said it was probably fine and she had juicy thighs haha!

Went to a nice Christmas party at the children 's centre this morning them got back and he got so grumpy took him up for a nap. After a bit of moaning I think we're having our first ever daytime nap in the cot!!! Exciting!

Still no cards written here! But I've had a lovely lunch in the pub and a coffee and cake in Costa.
Ds is better in himself and loads less fussy at the boob, so hopefully he is on the mend.

Those of you who had c-sections, how sore, if at all do you feel these days? I've been quite sore for a few days. Not the scar, but period pain type sore. I think I over did it when I cleaned the house on Friday - but I was wandering how it compares to others' experience? I've had one infection and felt mostly ok, so I'm slightly paranoid about another one.

Ds has gone off the dummy again fanby - I miss the lovely affect popping it in his mouth used to have.
Juicy thighs are lovely on a baby.

Yay to daytime cot napping magrat 🙂