It's the Christmas party at Mugabe nights, pull up a bar stool and order your shots! August 2015

[FattyNinjaOwl]

New thread for all the regulars at the bar, and the not so regulars too.

Yep managed all of 45 mins! Still, gives us some afternoon time to play on the mat :)

F's also gone back to pooing every feed and more. Need to book a weigh in again as well. Hopefully not dropped any percentiles.

We had one of our best nights last night. Bed at 11, awake 7.00 for feed, then bottom alarm. Pocket nappies working well at night for now - don't think she pees much until morning anyway! Have discovered that a single little lamb booster is not enough in a pocket (day time) but 2 or a single TJs bamboo or charcoal is fine at the moment. Was massively over boosting to start with to prove the concept and am now experimenting with less bulk. Interestingly she tolerates a wet cloth nappy far better than a barely damp disposable so that's another plus point.

Sadly 3rd vacs tomorrow and DH is on call so had better sort the spare room in case we get no sleep, if she stops eating at all today. Have at least managed an Ocado shop while acting as lunch

Congratulations on the cot nap- still in the moses basket for now!

I was solo from 2 weeks during the day and had 3 days and nights 6 weeks in. Would have killed MIL or my mum or step mum as I lacked the patience and they have very different attitudes to me - MIL was insisting she was cold because feet were and wrapping her up until she got sweat rash!

Will try and get on with 2 devices later to give myself a chance to catch up - not possible while acting as a food source/mattress!

dozy I know how you feel about the sleeping and not feeling able to say anything. When J does go to sleep, he will go through until 7, regardless of what time he falls asleep. At the moment, I would happily trade a night feed for the hours of crying and fussing that precedes the sleep. I have had comments about how I have a baby who sleeps and I've got back to my pre-baby weight and how lucky I am. Still feel desperately low though, cried in the car on the way back from baby yoga this afternoon. DH has finished for Xmas, so ordered me to rest and he took J out for a long walk so I could sleep, which was very welcome. I know I am very lucky, but it still feels so hard at times.

loveandsmiles I had a week in hospital, then DH took 2 weeks paternity leave and that was it! As J was early, it meant that my mum wasn't around, as she was recovering from an operation and MIL made noises about coming over, but I didn't want her there, as I think it would have been fractious, plus she's no help now anyway, so doubt she would have been much use!

frolic it's been ages since I felt sore from my c section. I put it down to a week's enforced bed rest when I was in hospital that meant I could heal. I got more tired than sore in any case.

Am having a night out seeing the Nutcracker at the cinema with a friend, so much harder to check my phone / go back early! Hoping to come back to sleeping baby and an up for it DH, but not holding out much hope for either! Hope you all have restful evenings and sleepy babies!

frolic mine used to ache a bit if I really overdid it, but it takes a LOT now, and it's just a bit sort of tired feeling then. I'd see the doc if you're concerned.

Frolic that sounds odd. Mine doesn't ache at all. I still have a patch of numbness (expected) and occasional itchiness but not sore. Get checked forthwith!!

Tindel - enjoy nutcracker! Uber Christmassy!!

Am currently upstairs doing the bedtime wrestle and the is she/isn't she asleep thing 😁

Sorry think I was in a weird mood this morning and took it to heart about what what had been said about other mums having good sleep. You are all of course super supportive on here. I'd been feeling quite down yesterday but thought I'm not having it as rough as some of u so thought u might think I was being a wuss. I'd also had a busy weekend with social things so my mum had been watching piper quite a bit and I was feeling like a bad mum because I enjoyed time away when noone else seems to have time away from their children like I do.

Anyway, she seems fine after her jabs thankfully.

Ooh I picked up my handprint pottery too. Will post a pic.

Mzzf u do amazing. Sounds exciting doing the weaning thing :)

Oh dozy don't be a loon! No apologies or anything needed at all.

And feeling like a bad mum?! Have a word lovely!!! You're doing awesome and everyone deserves party time. Good on you for getting out 😁🎉

Enjoy the nutcracker tindel. You're doing great with trying to remain positive. It's so hard to pick yourself up from feeling low. I've only had one bout of depression in my life 4 years ago and I found it so hard to deal with. I never want to feel like that again but you never know what might happen to trigger it.

I get a lot of support from my mum but I still spent time alone with piper. She doesn't help me out as much now I'm getting more used to having a baby but do struggle getting up and ready to out on time without her lol . I was late today for a works Christmas party for the kids. Was sat feeding piper with wet hair and half dressed at the time I was meant to be setting off. Made it eventually though.

Mugabe nights to you all and sorry for my earlier moan.

Ooh random I just ordered some charcoal boosters from amazon after reading a post on 'nappy science gang ' on facebook. Never heard of it before but piper is leaking out of her little lamb nappy overnight so needed to try somethin . Which do u use?

dozy of course your not a bad mum you bloody idiot (said lovingly obviously)
I can't wait until Saturday, when my mum will be having DS2 while me and DP take the older 2 to the sea life centre, and then on Sunday she Is looking after the two babies while I take ds1 and DB to see star wars. And I can't bloody wait!

Thanks all. Something is feeling very weird in my pelvic area. A bit full and achey. Almost like constipation or a uti, but not quite like either of them.
I will get myself an appointment with someone tomorrow. I'm feeling quite irrationally anxious that they are going to tell me something massive is wrong and I'll have to go to hospital or die or something 🤔. Completely stupid new mum anxiety.
I really just want it to go away. I feel like the wars on shit, snot, teeth and sleep have really blighted this past 6 weeks or so. I'm writing a late begging letter to ask Father Christmas for a few weeks when there is nothing wrong.

Enjoy the nutcracker tindel. It's the best for getting you feeling festive. I hope you get home to a very sleepy baby and a very awake dh 😉

I hope you'r winning the bedtime wrestle mzzf. Maybe you should put her in one of those funny wrestling masks to keep you entertained?

You are so not being a wuss dozy. We all have challenges, they're just different ones. I can't even begin to imagine how tough the bf'ing thing has been for you. I really admire your perseverance.
You are also not a shit mum for enjoying time away from Piper. I have the exact same worry reversed - I can't bring myself to leave Ds yet and worry that I'm going to turn him into a little weirdo who lives with his mum forever!
There is just no winning at this baby business at times. It's a damn good job they're cute.

Like this mzzf!

Hehe frolic!! Almost sold our bouncy chair yesterday then had a realisation that I think I want another one! Hmm DH thinks I'm mad!

Hahaha frolic I love that!!! 😀

Btw re the pelvic pain - are you about to come on? My first period post emcs was horrendously painful, sorry to scare you but it could be as simple as that.

I've been wandering that as well mzzf. I had a chin spot last week for the first time since I ovulated last November. Maybe I'll come on soon.
You've not scared me - I like the idea of a period a lot more than a puss filled womb 😷

Ds is being a bugger to put down. He wants a boob for a pillow tonight, but he's not having one. He's refusing the dummy and trying desperately to find his thumb. I just hope all this tires him enough for a decent stretch if I ever get him off me.

Evening all,

It's been a busy day at Bar Mugabe, so much to catch up on.

We went to the weighing clinic today (first time for 4 weeks) and got some teeth sucking and a request to return in a fortnight from the HV. Grumpy 2 never lost weight after birth but just piled it on and gained almost two centiles by week 8. Now she is levelling out and on her way back to her birth centile (the 50th) they are concerned that she is dropping lines (even though she's never gone below her birth line). Fortunately, this is exactly what happened with grumpy 1 and now as a slacker second timer I have the confidence to not get dragged into the weighing game but it did bring back memories of how paranoid it made me feel about bf'ing grumpy 1. Needless to say I shan't be going back in a fortnight unless I think she looks as though she needs it. A picture is attached of what grumpy 2 thinks about the whole thing...

frolic my c-section gave me intermittent bother for almost two years after delivering grumpy 1 (hopefully this is reassuring rather than peturbing ). Very much like you describe, sometimes just a heavy feeling, occasionally achey. Never really, really ouchy. I did mention it to my GP after a while as I assumed it should have disappeared and he said that it all depends on how the stitching went and where you have scar tissue etc. For some women it just takes longer to stop feeling it. Definitely see someone if you are concerned (as I did!) but hopefully it's all normal. Good work on the cot napping btw, a major milestone achieved (I have this theory that all the best milestones are not the ones in the books like 'walking' etc but are the much more personally interesting ones like 'can nap in a cot', 'sucks own thumb to sleep' or 'no longer screams in the car seat').

randoms and dozy I love microfibre boosters like these www.easypeasynappies.co.uk/microfibre-boosters-great-night-time-booster-739-p.asp for adding absorbency to overnight nappies. They come out of the washing machine pretty much dry and ready to go again and they tend to be dirt cheap.

love definitely sounds like there is more than meets the eye with your friend. Was it a difficult pregnancy, or a tough conception? I wonder if she is struggling with postpartum anxiety. Hopefully she'll grow in confidence as the baby gets older and you will get to hang out as you have hoped to.

dozy I LOVE my time away from the dwarfs (and DH tbh) it keeps me sane and makes me a much better Mum. Don't fret about it. Also, as for the sleeping thing I am a firm believer that everyone gets some good and some shit with their darling offspring. You got the good sleep and the shit breastfeeding. Others have the shit sleep and the good feeding. Some have good daytime sleep but shit nighttime sleep and vice versa. And it only continues as they get older. I got a delightful two year old (terrible twos? Not in the dwarf house) but now have a four year old totally prone to over tired meltdowns, usually in the most public places possible . It's all part of the game and provided we all remember this then it is easy to support each other and not feel envious.

mzzf ha ha, yes, just rock a bit of Samuel L Jackson when you are feeling at the end of your sleep tether. It does wonders for my sense of humour!

fanby Great idea to have a night off. Well done Molls for taking a bottle. Good girl How is she doing post-jabs? We have ours on Friday

Have made Christmas biscuits for grumpy 1's teachers, sorted out my parcel to the family in Finland and finished making Christmas cards (but not written them ) so feeling a bit more on top of things this evening. Really hoping for more than 2 hour chunks of sleep tonight though as I think that would provide a sufficient boost to wrap the rest of the presents and get the cards sorted. The chocolate button habit just isn't providing the necessary energy anymore...

Ooh fanby I missed that did molls take a bottle? What a clever girl.

Slow that is great advice. Thanks for putting it all into perspective. We do all have our own individual struggles with our bundles of joy. I shall look into those boosters thank you. Sometimes I think I'm actually spending more money on real nappies than I am disposables but at least I'm saving the landfills I suppose.

Frolic I hope for Xmas father Christmas brings you a new lease of life health wise. It sucks to be ill on top of everything else. And I hope it is your period or something else not to o sinister.

Fatty enjoy star wars. I've re watched 5 out of the 6 films. Still got one more to go. I didn't really understand what was going on but I was prob reading mumsnet at the time which wouldn't have helped lol.

Oh dozy dude! You're silly!! I went out on Saturday and was soooo hungover on Sunday I puked - that's a bit of bad mothering right there I thoroughly enjoyed myself, just a little too much!! You're doing a most excellent job!

Slowwife - you always are the voice of reason. Too true on the weight thing with HV and also the non milestoney milestones!! I think we may be just winning the not crying in car seat hahaha. I also love your battles, some people have x and not y etc. It's all very, very true. I may have a baby that does not sleep BUT she does have an amazing head of hair HAHAHAAHHA.

Yes molls will quite happily take a bottle of expressed milk thank the Lord!! So I went to bed at 8pm tonight, haven't slept well as I can't breathe due to cold BUT BUT she's slept until 3:15am LADIES WE HAVE HOPE! I now wonder whether the really shitty nights have been down to teething or pain etc and the calpol has helped? (Jabs were fine! Molly didnt go beetroot and I didn't hysterically cry!)

Oh and ive never seen Star Wars xxx

Hi fanby we are here too! Interesting about your Calpol experiment. I do wonder sometimes if we should be giving grumpy 2 something. Or maybe she's just being a sleep terrorist...

Oh yes forgot to mention the gorgeous grumpy 2 is quite clearly wasting away there, silly hv. She's scrummy.

And yes fanby molls does have the best head of hair.

I gave dream feed last night but we're still awake in the night. Oh well.

Thanks dozy! She looks pretty chunky to me too! Sorry to see you here at Mugabe nights though...

Hoping the absence of so many other regulars means that sleep was being had last night zzzzzzzzzz

I know right?! She had calpol at 2pm and 6pm and the second lot she dribbled most back out instantly! Spoke to DH and she fell asleep just after 9pm so she had a 6 hour block and then another 3. My milk just went EVERYWHERE. I forgot how much it used to spurt as now they're like half empty sacks with the amount I have to feed her through the nights.

Sorry that piper wouldn't settle, hopefully you're tucked back up in bed now.

Mugabe nights has been massively quiet - either the babes are sleeping or there is a lot of passed out mamma's under coats... Xx

I slept.
slow grumpy2 is gorgeous. And I agree with her re the hv.
dozy I've re watched 5 out of the 6 too, so DS1 could watch them. I asked who the best character was. He said R2D2, but DD shouted at him and told him "noooo! The Vader" I should have known she'd be on the dark side. Watching the last one tonight, as we won't have chance any other time before Sunday.

Morning

Sorry for those in the bar, I've brought full englishes for those still slumped in the corner

slow she's gorgeous! She looks lovely and chubby to me, you've reminded me not to bother with weigh ins. I haven't been since 8 weeks old I think. One thing to remember is the charts are based on ff babies as that's the majority in this country, bf babies put on weight at a different rate and can plateau more as well as having the big growth spurts.

Frolic I rarely get any pain from my section, I wondered whether your pain could be af related too.

Dozy definitely don't feel bad about getting sleep or having help from your mum. Parenting is like any other job in that there are good days and bad days, easy periods and hard periods. For me I've found it much easier to cope second time round (though I've had the odd meltdown) as I knew what to expect and how I wanted to deal with it. I have a very low expectation of baby sleeping but I know it will pass, whereas first time I was in shock that babies could wake so much! It's controversial but often I find having an older child makes the baby days much easier, as I have constant company and chat and distraction with my pre schooler. I remember feeling very bored when it was just me and baby first time, the day times can be harder than the nights!

Is anyone using the ergo 360? Can babies use them without the cushion now? I haven't used mine for ages, since she outgrew the infant insert. I'm keen to use again as I seem to have spent a lot of money on something I don't use.

Merry Christmas!

Um... Think I need a drum roll... DS went down at 8... And woke up at 7!!!

What the actual flip? Im living the dream! Feel like I must be hallucinating or I've just forgotten the night feeds but no, my glass of water is still full, as were my boobs. He did it! YAY!

Yes, yes, yes to everything you say Slow. The lovely ladies on here really helped me through the early days when I nearly quit BF coz of the silly weight obsessed health visitors. I think you are super vulnerable as a new mum and I'm glad you have the confidence to ignore them this time round. Clearly they didn't bother actually looking at the gorgeous happy and healthy looking Grumpy 2.

And totally agree we all have our battles to climb with these little dudes and dudettes. Nighttime sleep has neve given me half the issues that I suffered with feeding and daytime sleep. The support on here gets me through, and it's lovely to be able to celebrate the successes as well.

I enjoy time away from DS Dozy. Don't feel guilty about it. Nothing better than baby cuddles the morning after a night out!

Blimey Love I agree with whoever said there must be more going on with your friend. I love my mum but small doses is fine by me and I would never want to risk missing out on some juicy gossip by taking her to a friends house

Fatty let us know what Star Wars is like, I'm gonna try and see it in the new year I think.

Frolic I didn't have a CS but just wanted to send and sympathy coz you've been having a tough time lately.

Great work on the bottle Fanby and Molls.

And Mugabe Mugabe to everyone else, just think, a week today is Christmas Eve!

Baby slept through!! Had a grim bedtime, waking every time I tried to lie down and sicking all over himself and needing a complete change, but I just kept feeding and feeding him until around 11 or midnight and was woken up by tits like concrete about 10 minutes before DPs alarm. Baby didn't even wake for that so I went for a dream feed and got another hour of sleep! He's currently chatting away at me while I mentally prepare myself to get up and get ready to catch the new star wars at baby cinema. I bet I even stay awake for the whole film!