Just Mumming 8 - the one with the fire crawlers, wind machines and the Health Visitor revolt

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Hubert! There's a little boy called Eric in minipopz's sing and sign class. Glad she got on ok Min

Hope the talk went well Dulce!

What's a lip tie??

My friend has a Hubert! I wonder if it's him? He's about eighteen months old. They live just outside the M25 belt.

Hello all!

Ah yes, the sleeping through the night thing. I cannot even remember what 8 hours sleep felt like.

S seems to be waking every 3 - 4 hours, I'm not sure why. He used to do 6 hours in his first stretch. Ah well, he is going down earlier (8pm ish) so I can't complain.

Today I am embarking on mission naps. S is terrible at sleeping during the day and I am sure that the reason he melts down is due to tiredness. My aim is for him to have a nap - just half an hour or so - between feeds and, if possible, in his cot. A big ask. So far he has had micro naps but mainly on me/ in the car seat but I think I chose the wrong day to start as we had appointments and planned visits.

Tomorrow is another day.

It's where their lip is attached to their gum popz. H's looks quite bad comparing to pics on Google.

pis I don't think it will be him as once they are 15 months they get moved to toddler room. Unless he's blonde with curly ish hair and a current streaming nose,,,?

Awww Hubert is a cute name :)

E has had two teeth in two days I am very

He has been ridiculously happy the last couple days though so I guess that haven't affected him to much :)

I'm terrified - I'm taking B to London today to visit dh who's working at a bar in town. Taking him on tube. Going to drive to station at edge and then tube in - going to take buggy with me but have him in sling for tube as easier. Don't know why I'm scared - thousands of people take babies across London every day!

Fleur - I'd love it if DS woke 3/4 hours but that's annoying if S has been doing longer. They are in a leap just now so that might explain it?

Cookie that's good that teeth are sneaking in!

Toast - did you get some help from lactation consultant?

Purple - I think the milestone cards for number of weeks or months are cute it's the boasting ones I hate because I'm well jel!

Snap - how did the therapist go?

la, the tube staff were so good when we took R and when it was just MIL and us two they helped with pram up the stairs etc.
Don't fret and have a great day xxx

Good luck la I haven't braved the tube yet, I have got the train and then walked/ taken the bus/ taxi.

Yey for teeth cookie

Out for coffee with some of the nct mums today and I am deliberately turning up half an hour late I am so looking forward going out for a walk - the weather has really got to me this week.

Any recommendations for a waterproof coat? I have a waterproof but it's more suited to trekking on mountains than walking the suburban streets.

Nap 1 of the day - fail. He just cried and then fell asleep on the boob when I tried to feed him.

La you will be fine. Last week we got to Paddington only to find no lift from tube to train station. But a very nice lady held P's hand up the escalator whilst I wrangled with the baby and pram. People are generally kind and helpful but definitely avoid rush hour.

Fleur I haven't got a particular recommendation for waterproofs but if you use the sling a lot it might be worth getting one you can zip up over the sling to keep it reasonably dry if you get caught in a downpour.

The feeding assessment was good. The therapist felt that Mini Snap is quite a cautious feeder, ie doesn't go for it at the bottle. He took his usual little amount but she thought he seemed pretty contented with it. She was very diplomatic but essentially didn't agree with HV's advice to feed supet frequently but rather be led by the baby. From a therapist's point of view it's all about making feeding as positive an experience as possible, whereas shoving a bottle at him every waking minute may do the opposite. She wondered if it might be a motility issue, ie milk being digested very slowly and said he may be put on a high calorie milk when the paediatrician sees him if weight is still an issue. She also suggested encouraging lots of play with sucky toys, to help him feel comfortable putting things in his mouth and again help avoid any aversions. It was really reassuring as I felt she reaffirmed all my instincts about feeding to demand rather than feeling this awful pressure to get as many calories into him as possible. I do like speech therapists, a very sensible bunch!

Fleur I gave up on naps in bed a few weeks ago and just let MiniSnap sleep on me in the sling. But when we were at my brother's a couple of weeks ago I put him down in his pram carry cot (as that's all we had there) on the bed and miraculously he slept for 45 minutes. He's carried on doing that since being back home. Might be worth a shot? I also have blanket ready tucked in on one side so I can quickly tuck it in over him quite snugly so he feels enclosed. It also sometimes helps to put my hands on his chest for a minute or two so he still feels the warmth and pressure that he feels as he's getting sleepy on me. P was a total nightmare with naps when he was a little baby, he would fall asleep on me and then his eyes would pop open as soon as I started bending down over the cot to put him down. It did get loads better eventually but I must have walked many tens of miles in those early months to get him to sleep in the pram.

I like the sound of your therapist snap - glad she's reassured you some. Once again am colossally irritated by the damaging ignorance of HVs...

How'd you get on La?? Slings are a godsend for public transport, although I've been nowhere as scary as London!!

La hope London was ok!
Fleur hope you had a nice walk and coffee
Snap can I ask why you were seeing a speech therapist? Glad the assessment went well.

BF group was ok, nice to get out and chat to other mums and see cute babies. There was a maternity support worker there so I asked my questions and got a few vague responses and suggestions to try, not majorly helpful. I'm not convinced there is a huge problem- Melba has been much more cooperative the last day or so, so I'm hoping it was just a funny phase. I'm keeping an eye on her latch though and I know she has a tongue tie as well , but I'm not sure how/if it is affecting her feeding. I guess I feel a bit unsure as BF was run through with me quickly on day 1 and since then I've been on my own with it so don't have any assurance that it's all as it should be.
Is it normal for it to be a bit sore? I find there is a burning sensation initially and then after that it's a bit uncomfortable at times but not awful. I do get an achey pain afterwards though especially right nipple.

toast the first few sucks should curl your toes but I think you shouldn't feel anything much after. I think.

Yeah, what ga said. Can take a few weeks to toughen up the nips toast. It shouldn't be unbearable but it will be uncomfortable. Are you going to get tongue tie assessed? That can make it painful too, it was for me. It felt better straight away when it was fixed.

Glad you are feeling more positive snap, sounds like you have a way forward too.

I'm with you on the nap perseverance fleur. Working hard to get him to sleep at home but he just fights it all the way. I've bad some success this week but have to feed him to sleep, transport him to crib like a magical ninja and put rain noise on. Got an hour out of him that way!

How did the London trip go la?

I got picked to be on the Cadbury product test panel! This could be a bad thing...

Oh wow dulcet great job with the chocolate tasting. Please tell Kraft not to turn Cadbury into nasty American chocolate

S had one nap in his cot yesterday I put him down awake but drowsy, turned on Ewan and after 15 mins or so he was asleep! I tried again another time but he was having none of it.

Quick question - I am not sure if I am being unfair or not:-

I am going out tonight for the first time (eeek!) only to a restaurant which I can practically see from my house but, small steps! We are meeting at 8pm which is when S usually goes down to sleep. He then wakes around midnight, 3/4am and is up for the day 6/7am ish.

His feeds take 30 -45 mins and he takes up to 15 mins to wind and settle afterwards. So I am up for about an hour at each feed. Sometimes though this all goes to pot and I am up for most of the night pacing around the house trying to jiggle him back to sleep. At weekends DH will help with the jiggling.

S will take a bottle of formula and regularly does so.

Up until now I have done every night feed (ie any feed after 10pm when we go to bed). DH works long hours (wakes at 5am and gets home at 6.30pm at the earliest) in a stressful job. At night I do my best to grab S and get out of our room so as not to disturb DH.

At weekends he will usually get up with S at 6/7am after he has fed and let me have another hour or so sleep.

Last night I asked whether he would do S's first feed of the night tonight (midnight - 2amish) as I doubt I would be home until 11pm and it would be lovely to get a block of 5 hours sleep. I didn't think anything of it and really thought he would be happy to do it.

Turns out he is not. He got stroppy saying he only gets two days a week to have more than 5 hours sleep (he claims that whilst I am up feeding he cannot sleep - it doesn't look like it to me!) and that I get more sleep than him every day. He refuses to sleep in the spare room, I tell him to all the time but he resolutely refuses to leave our room. Short of me taking the bednest into the spare room I don't know what else I can do.

I am bit pissed off at his reaction. It's like it's a competition to see who has the least sleep (he always won that before having S and I suppose got a lot of leeway because of it).

Am I being unfair here? I am not asking him to do the 3/4am feed, just the midnightish one. I wouldn't expect him to take S first thing in the morning either, but he enjoys this as it's when S is at his smiley cutest

Sorry, that turned out to be really long!!

We survived! He was really good on the train - sat up like a proper little boy on mine and DMs lap all the way on the tube and back, slept in sling from tube to venue and again in pram on way back. Was all spoiled though because we had driven to station on outskirts to get tube in - on way home in car traffic was terrible so it overshot his feed time. Cue meltdown in car. I had to pull over to bf him and then he screamed blue murder each time I tried to put him back in the car seat. My DM was stressing me out massively going on about how hungry he was and insisting on sitting in back with him. Felt like a terrible mum :(

Was upset though - after all that effort dh spoke to us for a bit and then sat and played with his phone!! We were only there an hour and a half but it took 2 hours there 3.5 back!

Fleur and dulcet I'm not sure how to help with day naps other than tell you what I do. I make room noisy with radio and general household noise so he won't get woken up easily. I wait to see sleep cues then dance around with him saying a lot to set him off, the out him down and walk away. I pop back after a minute or so and then every few mins to check he's ok, put hand on head and say shhhh. If he cried I come back immediately and shush him, with dummy if he's mouthing. B sleeps anything from 20 mins to a couple of hours in the day.

Last night was better - we've cut out gripe water as some people said if you give it too often it can cause wind. Instead gave infacol, lots of tummy massage and winding. He made noise from 1 but didn't actually wake unto nearly 2. Then he went until 5 and then 6-7 when he woke because nappy leaked (sainsburus are shit)

I've cut out dairy too so we will see if things improve

Drinking fennel tea is supposed to help with wind if you're bfing La.

YADNBU fleur! Enjoy your night out x

Shut the front door Dulcet - how do you get to be one of those!? I wanna eat chocolate!!

Toast - Ga is spot on, that "yeooooooowch" feeling when they first latch on is definitely normal. And then general soreness. Have you got lansinoh? It gets better over time x

Cadbury taster?
Man, that's a farking fabulous way to spend mat leave!!
Score.

Shit night here after a shit day yesterday. Turns out r is coming down with a cold. Joy.
And she's in nursery for an hour and a half this arvo. They're gonna love that aren't they.,,
'Afternoon, here's a moody, grumpy, nap refusing, milk refusing snot monster who is ready for a nap any minute now... Good luck with that', and off we pop for a lovely lunch together.

I'm knackered, got the sum total of 3 hours!
I've just put her down and she woke after 35 mins, obviously needed more as she lay in my arms and fell fast asleep again, so have put her down again.
It's back to newborn days.
Poor mite

What's everyone doing this weekend?

Glad you all survived la, though sorry it was a waste of time. Men and their phones...gah

Fleur YADNBU what age is your wee one again? I got to be honest, when you said he works long hours I thought you meant not finishing work until 8 or 9. Getting home at 6.30 seems normal to me. But then I'm up at 6 for work and don't get home until 8.30pm at earliest (obv that is not just now being on mat leave). I don't doubt he has a stressful job but then does he know how stressful looking after a baby all day and all night is?!

If I were you I'd take myself into the spare room tonight and leave baby with him hope you have a fab dinner tonight no washing up woo hoo

Naps are like practically non-exsistent here. 20 mins if I'm lucky. Although DD had a very broken sleep last night and she's currently having a nap in bouncy chair. Which I'm having to bounce to keep her asleep. I'm hungry. Really want a cup of tea but poor DD really needs to sleep a bit longer. Hoping it's just because she had her jabs the other day and not the 4month sleep regression

And my OH has given me his snottery cold. Feel like poo. But on the plus side royal mail are going to deliver my book order from the book people today. I went a bit nuts and order 3x 10 book packs. But I will give some of them away as presents I think lies, they are all mine I tell you, MINE

Still catching up!

Snap - I love your therapist! That sounds so much more sensible and sympathetic to the baby's needs. My lactation consultant has that type of attitude and puts things clearly from baby's point of view so it feels so much simpler when I look at it from that way. Perhaps snapette is just a slow feeder

You were all right about people on tube - so many people offered to help us with stairs! Staff were less helpful but the tube bit was the least stressful. The car was the worst bit! Just need to make sure he's totally full next time I think.

Can hear mum singing nelly the elephant to B downstairs. She's a god send. I love being able to have a few mins to myself!! She's also been getting up at every night feed to help me wind him and get him to sleep while we try to work out how to improve his tummy pain situation. I'll miss her when she goes.

Fleur - jiffy for mr Fleur!!!!! That's so frigging cheeky it's not like you do this every week.

Dulcet where do I sign up!?!?!?

Toast I'm annoyed on your behalf that you're not getting more answers from the bf people. It can hurt a bit at latch on - but I also feel major relief because my boobs are always huuuuuge and it's nice when he starts to take the pressure off. If it hurts lots then could be tongue tie causing it, or incorrect latch? In which case try taking Melba off and putting her back on. It does get much easier. But it's normal to be a bit ouchy at first yes

Great news la boo to your mum about making you feel bad. I hate the internal debate about what to do in those situations. Sometimes it's just better to get where you need to rather than keep stopping (my theory anyway).

S is 3 months old. I am so unbelievably excited about going out - I am going to be completely over dressed but I can't wait to wear something other than jeans!

My MIL is staying (I wanted to make sure there was no excuse for me not being able to go out tonight, eg if DH needed to work late) so no spare room for me to sleep in.

I should also say that although DH gets in at 6.30, he usually has an hour or two of work to do in the evening. He does work very hard and never really goes out with his friends.

Hope you feel better fudge

cookie did you get my Jiffy bag?

Toast, speech and language therapists work with communication and swallowing problems, and infant feeding. MiniSnap's had some feeding and weight gain issues so was referred for a feeding assessment.

Re. Pain when bf, it can be a bit uncomfortable at first but it shouldn't really hurt. Tongue ties can cause pain if the tongue doesn't glide over the gum when suckling - so you get chomped on by hard gums. A deep pain in the breast after feeding can be thrush, worth checking if it persists (and getting Baby Toast's mouth checked for it too as it gets passed back and forth between you. Hopefully it's not that, though.

Thought I replied to this earlier. I remember typing it!

Anyway, cadburys panel thing was through here on a sponsored post in active. Might still be there, go have a look. No idea how much chocolate I will get!

How was mini min at nursery? Hope the cold doesn't get you up all night.

YANBU fleur. Glad you have a way around it anyway, get yourself out there! Enjoy!

Car meltdown is better than street meltdown la but still not fun! Glad you have mum support this week though. I couldn't cope with a week on my own for sure!

Hope you do get to the hospital toast, they can assess and fix any tongue tie. Better to do it sooner as damage to nipples can take a while to heal. I got a 'hole' on mine from the poor early feeding which took weeks to heal.

Been trying to get J to nap for well over 90mins. Tried jigging, singing, patting and finally feeding and haven't had longer than. 7mins in the basket or pram. Sat on the bed now with white noise waiting for him to sleep in boob to move him over.