July 2006.....and they all roll over......

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Ladies, thought I would do the new thread as the other one is taking forever to load up.

Morning - things have settled down a bit here, only got woken 3 times in the night, which is improvement. DS fed at midnight and 4am, before waking me up with a packed nappy at 7am. There was a brief yell at 2am but I rolled over and stuffed the dummy in and he went back to sleep. On the positive side, he did go to sleep all by himself at bedtime [know how you feel Wallace]. Had his normal bedtime bf but was still awake so cuddled him and put him down, gave him dummy and a kiss and that was that, wow! He also did it by himself the other morning, so know it is possible. Sometimes he will even let me put him down for naps when rocked till sleepy but still slightly awake, so he does the falling asleep bit actually in the cot.

Festive - glad you enjoyed your christmas, I have started a thread in Meet-ups looking for Bristol/Bath mums. Would you be up for a meet up in the new year?

So I'm not alone feeling broody then?! Mind you after last night all those thoughts are completely out of my mind at the mo
Zack went down at 7.45 at woke at 8.45, 10.15, 12.30, 1.20, 2.00, 4.10 and wokeup and got up at 6.30.

I just don't know what to do. He used to fall asleep by himself but since he dropped a nap a few weeks ago the timings went wrong and now sleep coincides with a feed. I try taking him off as he finishes but he falls asleep so quickly and nothing will wake him.
I really don't want to do cc again I'm going to have to look at some other methods.
He has nearly always been a terrible sleeper but this is ridiculous. My HV says cc and has no other suggestions

During the day he is such a happy soul you would never guess he is having so litle sleep. Everything makes him belly laugh now its hilarious

pink- Zack is always on his feet he won't sit for more than 10 seconds, as I have said before hyperactive baby!!

KZ- hope Roshi picks up today x

festive- how exciting! What's meant to be will be

Mae- congrats with the sleep!

I'm going to change my name, Christmas already seems ages ago. It will still be obvious it'sme

tis me

us - sounds like your boy is so excited to be awake during the day that he can't see the point in napping. DS is a bit like this in the day time, once he gets past a certain time of being awake he becomes more and more hyper (but happy, if there is stuff going on). He grins and chuckles like a mad thing, bouncing his chair like crazy etc. Then as soon as it looks like I'm trying to put him down for a nap (sometimes when he sees his sleeping bag) he starts to crumple and cry. Thing is, I know that if I don't get him to take a few naps during the day, he will be hard to settle at night. You're still bf I think? Have you tried tweaking his feed times around? Maybe as he is a bit older he needs a slightly new routine. Also if he falls asleep whilst feeding will he let you put him down asleep? I still often feed to sleep for naps during the day, though the last week has been easier as I have had DH around to help settle him/take him for walks.

Hi Mae, Zack does fall asleep during feeds and he does let me put him down asleep. His daytime naps are fine, he falls asleep during a feed I lay him down and he sleeps for 40-60 mins.
But I think this is what is happening at night he goes down fine everytime but then he wakes and the only way to get him back off is to feed him. He is no trouble putting back down so I know it could be worse but he is waking every 1-2 hours needing the breast to get back off.

My dp has been off work to and it's been great because I have been able to have an extra hour or twos sleep in the morning. I'm dreading next week in fact I'm in tears about it, I just don't know how I'm going to manage.

Sorry I forgot to say thank you x

Morning ladies

A good nights sleep last night as we didn't wake until 9 ish and Sophie happily coos in her cot-bless

Well, will try to be brief but my mum rang me to say that on Chrimbo Day when I was busy in the kitchen, MIL & FIL told the congregation that they want to send DD1 to a Privte school. Er, over my dead body! I have applied online to a school at the end of our road and that is where she will be going if accepted. There has been no dicsussion with either me or DH (or DH hasn't mentioned it perhaps 'cos he daren't) and anyway, she is our child. I am totally fed up of them trying to relive their life through our children. We went round on Thursday and they were their usual self. She criticised everything I did:you can't lay Sophie on the floor, oh, poor little girl-is she double jointed when I was dressing her. (you have to bend her arms FFS!) Then she complained that Sophie would be too hot and started unzipping her oversuit. Then, the final straw as we were leaving-I had forgotten their coats and what a fuss about it. It wasn't even a cold night! GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I haven't mentioned the school incident to DH and won't be so it is boiling in just me at the mo-oh, and my mum and dad and auntie. My auntie taught at the school in question and 'tis not a good school for learning, only looking pretty in straw boaters. Anyone with children at Private schools, I have nothing against them, they are just not for me. Crikey, will have to name change as well to stop me being shot down.

Will catch up later as I must do some tidying. Thanks for listening and hugs to all including the mystery ladies

TTFN

Frosty (HC)

xxx

God Frosty, they sound like a nightmare Talk about interfering! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs on your behalf!

UsandNosleep ? gawd, don?t know what to say {{{hugs}}} The waking at night for feeds then being fed to sleep (or at least dozy enough to put herself back to sleep) is what Emma is doing now, though not as often as Zack. Usually she can go about 3.5 ? 4 hours, though sometimes it?s every 2 hours. I?m really not sure whether she is waking because she is hungry because of a growth spurt or just because it?s becoming a habit. She does take full feeds from both sides (as long as there?s milk there, sometimes if she wakes too quickly there isn?t much left from the last time which gets her very annoyed). But I?m a bit worried as I never try to get her back to sleep any other way, it?s just much to painful to contemplate trying to do ?pick up put down? for hours, with both of us getting more and more irritated and woken up in the process. The Baby Whisperer does suggest that this is what you should do though if you suspect that they are not really waking because they are hungry, groan? I can?t face doing it though so am just going to hope that the stretches of sleeping gradually get longer like they did the last time. So nothing to suggest I?m afraid except my usual one of putting them to bed later - I don?t start to count Emma?s ?night time? sleeping until about 11pm ? however as that?s clearly no longer working for us I should just keep quiet really! Just fingers crossed for you that things get better soon xxx

Mae ? Will have a look at the meet up thread, thanks.
Know what you mean about the ?overtiredness? nap window, I think this must be why she will sometimes go down no problem, I?ll just dump her in her Moses basket and leave her there to drop off, but then other times she will scream and scream if she even suspects she is being ?tricked? into having a nap! We had a terrible time with sleeping over Christmas (day and night) when she was pretty much overstimulated all day long. The dummy is a wonderful thing though isn?t it ? it?s quite scary how much I use it now for her ?mood management?

Forgot to mention the glass of white wine FIL poured for DD1 and argued that it was OK for her to have it Needless to say she didn't have it! MIL managed to give her tea without me seeing

us - that does sound pretty harsh, we've had a couple of nights like that, but usually just for half the night every hour, then stretches out a bit in the early hours so at least I got to recharge a bit. I know you've probably tried everything you can think of, the only suggestion I would make is that some things that you tried before might work now IYSWIM (not much help I know). It's only in the last few weeks that DS will really take a dummy for example. I also try and take comfort in the fact that I will not be feeding him to sleep when he is a smelly teenager (well I do hope not).

HC - your inlaws sound like right charmers, sounds like a complete culture clash to me. Does your DH back you up, or is he too chicken?

OK, quick rant here. DH took the boy out in the buggy this morning to give me a break (and because he was showing no signs of taking a nap at home). DS had fed about an hr before, so thought, can't poss be too hungry. Anyway, DH got about halfway through the park when DS starts screaming blue murder, so he turned back (only about 15 mins from home). On his way back on 2 separate occasions 2 complete strangers (both women) stopped him to tell him that the baby was hungry and that he should feed him. Poor DH was stressed out enough as it was (I think his reply was less than polite) and of course DS finally dropped off at the top our road. He felt really crap and said he felt that they were looking at him as tho he was completely clueless.

Then of course to confound us both completely DS woke up yelling in the buggy and took one of the biggest daytime feeds he's had for weeks 10 mins after DH got home. Babies are weird!

Those meddling old bags are a pain!

Iamblossom, what did are you feeding Toby, and when? I am reading such conflicting advice on weaning!

Us, sorry about your bad night - Sefton had a bad night too last night woke up lots
Doctor told me to try and only feed him water at night so he gets used to not feeding... think I will make his formula more and more watery over time until it is pure water (he refuses water at the moment) ANYTHING is worth a shot! Hope this improve for us both, the little blighters. Luckily they are so cute, eh?

hi all

not been on in a while, hope you all had good xmas's

been pretty awful here, charlotte, dh and I all had sickness bug week before xmas then dh got flu couple of days before xmas, so on xmas day he was just feeling awful and couldnt eat. he had week off work too and thats been wasted, now charlotte has cold and is feeling miserable, feel so sorry for her, she is constantly coughing so cant even sleep for long

to top it all off, on boxing day our boiler broke so we have had to get a new one put in, luckily only had to wait til friday (yesterday) as we have had to stay at il's due to no heating or hot water. so glad to be back home, definitely an expense we could do without though especially when im now on my unpaid mat leave.

sorry about the moaning, hope evryone ok, will try and read through all your threads now to catch up
xx

HC- they sound like control freaks

Festive- Hi, Zack does feed at each wake up but I wouldn't say they were full feeds. You could be right about lack of milk, he has been feeding like this for weeks now though and you would think my supply would have adjusted by now? He is not taking significant amounts of solids definitely not enough to affect milk intake.
He won't take a bottle and we are trying spouted cups which he tolerates but only takes 1-2 ozs at the mo.
I guess when weaning is a bit more established I will know for sure if he is waking through hunger or habit. I'll try and keep going for a bit because introducing any type of method to change behaviour fills me with fear! At least right now he goes back down after 15 mins, I really don't want to be stood next to the cot for hours on end in the middle of the night.
I'm going to try a later bedtime tonight and see what happens, wish me luck!
Thank you for your help and sympathy

Mae- your poor hubby I wonder if they would have poked their nose in if you had ben pushing the buggy?

Sleep- it's pants isn't it? Hope the water works for you as you say anything is worth a try.

Beadmum- that sounds awful. Maybe you should have another Xmas when you are all feeling better? Xmas dinner- the works!

Beadmum - sorry you didn't have such a great xmas, can your DH take some time off a bit later on so you can have some family time?

us - know what you mean about some of these techniques, I mean, I know they're sposed to be good in the long run, but seem to involve a lot of faffing around and patting (baby whisperer) and 'she who must not be named' I can't even comment on. I feel like the priority for me at the moment is to get sleep however I can.

Gosh lots of people have had a lot of hassle over the Christmas period..... I thought I had it bad with my Grandma giving advice etc, but I get it all the time, so well used to it !! Hope it all improves in 2007.

Last night was awful with DD. She woke at 12ish, 2am, 4am, 6am and finally at 8.30am. Tonight she's gone down already (not at all like her, it's usually 11pm), so not sure what kind of night I'm in for ! DH on night shift again and is tomorrow night too.... will just have to drink in the new year on my own - more for me !

Sorry about your awful christmas beadmum.

HC - nightmare inlaws strike again

Leo has gone to sleep in his cot again (I'm drunk with happiness again )

Gave him another banana tonight because the other night he had a banana and slept for almost 12 hours. I have never seen anyone scoff a whole banana so quickly, let alone a 5 month old baby. I do need to help him hold it when it starts to get slimy. I have also given pear, avacado and chunky potato slices (whispers chips ) Can't wait til he gets to 6 motnhs and I can give him a wider range of stuff - everything at the moment seems to be slippery and hard to hold. Also really need to do a tesco shop because we are even out of basic veg like carrots and broccoli

hi

im going to apologise in advance for any swearing!!!

im having another f**d up night, junior is really getting up my bloody nerves!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

this is the third night he is not settling, ive left him in the bedroom crying hoping he will bloody fall asleep!! im getting so tired of this, my flat is like dirt, i cant bear living in it, im dont get a chance to f*ing clean it up!!

when i do junior wakes up and im always trying to be careful not to let him wake dd up!! i dont know whats wrong, he was gettin so good!! i really regret staying over at our friends for xmas now coz its f*ed up his routine!!!

sorry
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Know just how you feel, really does make you want to scream doesn't it. My sister has rung tonight to say she's coming over tomorrow to stay, so need to clean spare room and wash bedding etc for them, but not getting chance due to DD. Thought she was being good when she went to sleep in cot at 7pm, but only 45 mins she was awake again. She finally went down about 10.30pm, but you can't start hoovering in a terraced cottage at that time of night can you !!!! Washer is on now, so half way there.....

Good luck and fingers crossed for a peaceful night for us all - some chance hey !

thanks FM

ok i have calmed down now!! junior fell asleep about 10 minutes ago!!! managed to clean bathroom, load some washing, do dishes and now will hoover, dont care about noise and will mop!! i just want to wake up to a nice clean flat!!!

will catch up tomorrow ladies!!! goodnight!!

thanks FM

ok i have calmed down now!! junior fell asleep about 10 minutes ago!!! managed to clean bathroom, load some washing, do dishes and now will hoover, dont care about noise and will mop!! i just want to wake up to a nice clean flat!!!

will catch up tomorrow ladies!!! goodnight!!

Hi all

Too much to inwardly digest but would like to give hugs to all having a bad time of it ((xx))

Would also like to wish you all a HAPPY NEW YEAR !

Frosty

xxx

P.S. Off to SIL's for New Year and Outlaws will be there. Wish me luck !

TwinkleInSantasEye- thanks for the advice, I go back to work in 3 weeks and need ds to be on formula in the days. Hes now on 2 botles of ff a day but I didnt know if I should just stop bf now and see if it helped or wean him gradually for when I go back. On the side my mum had him that Saturday and he had 9ozs of milk at 8.30pm and slept until 6am!!!!!! I gave him 9ozs the day after at 8.30pm and he woke at 1am and 5am.

DS seems o have grown up in the last week or so. He can now roll from tummy to back and back to tummy, he also loves standing up and is chatting away. He also seems to have whacked on the weight and seems bulkier all of a sudden. Xmas passed him by in a blur but he had fun chewing the paper.

Krimbo- I really feel for you as rosh seems to have been ill for ages, I really hope she gets better soon.

Usandnosleep- I ordered the millpond sleep book and it says you can do gradual retreat to try to get a baby to sleep unaided, it takes about 3 weeks to see results an im thinking of giving it a go if I can be arsed with all the faffing around but I am getting desperate now.. Ive just started a thread in sleep to see how others have gone using it. Were the same as ds seems to need to be cuddled to sleep and then I can only wait until he is dead asleep before putting him down, usually 20 mins after his feed.I don?t think hes waking for hungar as even if he has a 9oz bottle at bedtime he will still wake. Funilliy enough though naps are so easy, he falls asleep and goes straight down, WHY?? Opps sorry just read your last message, ignore everything ive just said
SleepInHeavenly ? the book also mentioned reducing feeds by 1oz or 1 min if bf every 3 nights to reduce night feeding until eventually they stop waking for the feed as its so small.

How many naps is everyones los having now. DS is still napping every 2hrs for 30 mins and has to have a last nap at 6pm to last him through to bedtime. If he doesn?t he is really grouchy but maybe hes having too much sleep in the day and too late a nap.

Frosty ? too right, I agree with you its your school choice not mil?s.

Maewest I always find if ds is crying in his buggy or shopping trolley people always look and tell me he must be due a feed. I really feel like replying ? well actually hes been fed, changed and slept and is just grumpy and wants to cry so bog off?

Prettymum- I hope he slept all night for you.

Well happy new year 2007 to everyone, were staying in with an Indian as the Chinese is closed[don?t they know, its not their new year, so they should be open]