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JuniDD · 01/07/2015 21:34

Just shagging grad grads thread! Roll call below please...

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RPopz · 12/07/2015 22:42

Same for me Mini - a lot of stuff happened or was said that wasn't explained properly at the time. It really helped to have things clarified. I didn't have the worst experience ever tbf, it was just very far removed from what I would have liked. Plus I beat myself up for a long time about having a shot of diamorphine when I said I never would. I felt it slowed down my contractions a lot and wonder if that's what led to me not being able to push him out.

I've had "you lot were eating steak and kidney stew at 4 months" from DM all day because minipopz has been eating sticks of cucumber and strawberries while we had a bbq - and is therefore starving and deprived Hmm

minimooo · 12/07/2015 22:51

OK, so here goes…I’ve tried to cut it down as much as possible because it’s a bit of a long story.

Contractions kicked off at 3am on the Tuesday. I managed to use my hypnobirthing techniques but I stayed in latent phase of labour for 4 days. Was having strong contractions every 1 - 5ish minutes for the whole time, but only got to 2cm dilated. Had no sleep during those 4 days. Used Tens machine which was really helpful.

By about midnight on the Saturday I was in a lot of pain and completely exhausted. I called MLU in tears and they agreed that I could go into the labour ward to be assessed.

Labour ward assessed me and said I was still only 2cm dilated (grrr!) but they discovered that my hindwaters had broken. Because I thought they had gone more than 24 hours previously they agreed that I needed to be induced asap. I said that I wanted an epidural before the induction process was started and they agreed.

So, about 8.30 on Sunday morning I had the epidural put in and induction was started. I finally got some sleep and something to eat and I started to feel a bit better. But I was a bit concerned that one side of my body felt more numb than the other and dh said that one of my pupils was more dilated than the other. We asked the anaesthetist to check but she said she thought it was all normal.

Induction started off well, but then they started making worried noises and told me that my contractions were really erratic. They would up the drip and my uterus would go crazy contracting all over the place uncontrollably, so they’d reduce the drip and my contractions would tail off. They kept going though and we finally got to 10cm dilated and they started me pushing. After about 20 minutes or so, I was examined and told that actually I still had a lip of cervix that was in the way of baby’s head. They tried to hook it over her head while I was pushing but she was well and truly stuck. By now baby was getting distressed so they said I had to be rushed to theatre for either forceps or emcs.

Surgeon said forceps would be too dangerous because of the risk of cervical prolapse, so I had to go for emcs. No problem. I gave consent and was prepped very quickly. They injected the spinal block into my epidural thingy in my back. I turned to dh and said “ummm, can you ask them if it’s normal that my face is starting to go numb?” At which point all hell broke loose. Apparently, no it’s definitely not normal. It turns out that the spinal block anaesthetic had leaked into my bloodstream. Quite scarily, my throat went numb and I was finding it hard to breathe, my eyes went numb and I could hardly keep them open. Someone standing beside my head kept telling me to keep talking to them and to definitely not go to sleep. They told me that they had to get a reversal drug into me quickly. I heard my baby crying and was relieved that she was out and ok. Dh rushed over to see her being weighed.

Meanwhile the reversal drug was being pumped in which meant that the anaesthetic was wearing off and I could feel the procedure being carried out. At that point they discovered that my uterus wouldn't contract and they couldn't get it back into me and stitch it up. It felt like it was taking forever, and the anaesthetic was really wearing off now. The pain became unbearable so they put me under general anaesthetic. I lost 2 litres of blood while they wrestled my uterus back in.

Next thing I know I was having hallucinations that I was in the jungle. I finally woke up about 12 or so hours after the emcs and hadn’t the faintest idea why I was in hospital. I remember asking dh if I had been in a car accident.

After he and the nurses filled me in on some of the details, I got to hold baby for the first time and start breastfeeding. They told me that during the first 24 hours after the procedure I was at high risk of heart failure. I also later found out that while I was unconscious I had been in very real danger of slipping into a coma. Dh told me that the whole time I was unconscious I had a nurse constantly checking all the machines I was hooked up to so that if I went into cardiac arrest they could act immediately. I was also diagnosed with HELP syndrome.

I was kept in the high dependency/intensive care unit for 4 days while they monitored me. The anaesthetic and the reversal drug had caused havoc with my internal organs – my liver was fucked, my bp was all over the place and my heartrate was 150bpm for about 3 days solid. I was on oxygen, iv antibiotics, fluids, iv magnesium and potassium, and I was on half hourly obs. But it all gradually started getting better, and they started taking me off all the machines. They let me get up out of bed and shower, which was the most amazing shower I’ve ever had! Eventually on the Thursday night they released me to the postnatal ward (which was a nightmarish place all in itself!) and on the Friday I begged them to let me go home as an outpatient, which they reluctantly agreed to. I’ve been having regular blood tests and my liver function finally went back to normal last week.

The anaesthetist was really lovely and kept coming to check up on me in hospital. She told me that local anaesthetic toxicity (where the anaesthetic leaks into the bloodstream) only happens to 1 in 100,000 people and that I was just the really unlucky 1 person. She said that they’d never had it happen before and it was so rare that she had her colleagues and her boss and her bosses boss all turn up to the theatre to see it all happening. She did a talk on it at the hospital a few days later and is now writing a journal article about it to further the research into it and teach other anaesthetists how to deal with it if it happens to other women again in the future.

So, there we go. It was a total nightmare, but glad I’m coming through the other side now. I’ve asked for a copy of the journal article, and will likely do the Birth Reflections thingy because I’ve still got questions to ask. I’m a bit Hmm at being told that I am just the “unlucky 1 person”. I’ve done a tiny bit of research and it seems very unusual for it to just be “bad luck” and that it most often occurs because the epidural is administered incorrectly. Of course, the hospital have told me that the epidural was administered correctly and that I must have dislodged it when I was pushing during the induction Hmm. I just don’t know what to think.

Sorry for the epic post Blush - there’s loads I haven’t even included, but aware that this is already a majorly long story! Well done if you’ve got to the end!

So, the point of me posting this is to find out whether anyone knows anyone else who has experienced local anaesthetic toxicity via an epidural during labour, and whether they pursued a claim? I’ll probably post this in the Childbirth threads too and see if anyone over there has experience of it.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 13/07/2015 00:17

mini

that's one awful experience you went throughThanks

I'd just like to echo that one bad birth doesn't necessarily mean the next time will be awful too.
the more people I talk to the more I get the impression the first seems to be the toughest, no matter what, largely because we haven't done it before if that makes sense.

for me with DS1 it was "just" the pain, delayed epidural, meconium in amniotic fluid and from then on EMCS hanging about my head, then massive episiotomy for forceps delivery and hemorrhaging.

with the others there were fears & problems and DS4 had to be ELCS because he was footling breech (and because of that and my age the 3 VBACs after that meant I was in high risk unit and basically looked at as a ticking time-bomb) but I look back and really think in many ways giving birth the first time was the most difficult.

Thanks Thanks Thanks to all who have had hard times.

ZylaB · 13/07/2015 06:23

Oh mini big hugs.

Reading these things make my 4 weeks in hospital like a walk in the park!

JuniDD · 13/07/2015 07:22

ah mini massive hugs, that sounds horrendous. Sounds like it would be worth talking to a PI lawyer at some point about it.

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RPopz · 13/07/2015 10:19

Oh Mini Sad Massive hugs. Did they offer you counselling or anything? Have you got ptsd? Sorry if you've said before.

Re litigation, its a difficult one. I'm thinking it'd be pretty hard to prove the epidural wasn't administered correctly, as obvs they'll say that it was.

WilHarlot · 13/07/2015 11:06

Mini that sounds horrific and can totally see why you would think twice about ever doing it again. Is the HELP something that would come back in a subsequent pregnancy or just a random thing?

I truly know nothing about the epidural thing so can't be of any help. I hope someone in the Childbirth section sees it and can help though. Thanks

It's things like this that make me a bit annoyed with the approach that babies can just be breathed out with hypnobirthing. You're right zing - first time births are filled with complications.

LOL at the steak stew comment Popz. We still have zero interest in food this end. I'm leaving it until we get back off holiday.

cookielove · 13/07/2015 14:56

Awww mini that is epic! Glad you are fine now though!

E had another settle, I'll be back at work next week

FurryScoob · 13/07/2015 15:47

Glad you all came out ok in the end mini hope you & your DH get whatever help you need to understand how things went so wrong.

Enjoy your last few days of mat leave cookie

Miniscoobs started trying to stand upShock time to lower the cot before she escapes.

teejayem · 13/07/2015 16:59

Yikes mini thank you for sharing, hope it's helped a bit! so sorry, it sounds horrendous, I don't blame you either for considering further action. Big squishy cuddle for you x

Agree with you wil re breathing baby out. TT''s birth wasn't pretty at all, and no amount of visualisation, positive affirmation or whale music would have budged him, and although I had kind of prepared myself for the worst case scenario, I still shudder a little bit thinking about the actual delivery and subsequent fallout. Next one will be a section though, but will be waiting a couple of years first..

Just took TT to be weighed, 9lb 6!! Little chunk! He was 8lb 3 a fortnight ago... No wonder loads of his things don't fit. Good to know his non stop feeding parties are working! We had quite a good night last night, we used all Mr tee's side and pillows and watched lots of west wing.

How's your wee one *cym?

Oh god, popz I'm just waiting for mil to impart some unwanted advice involving rusks. It's imminent. She keeps telling me he isn't full up from boob alone. Hmm

RPopz · 13/07/2015 18:41

At a month old Tee!? Shock Blimey she's keen haha! I've had the "milk's not enough for him anymore" comments for a couple of weeks now.... Mum used to make all her own purees for us and is really nostalgic about it, so I knew I'd have a job on convincing her about BLW... She's desperate to get pie and chips and cake down his neck! How's things going without MrT?

Wish MrPopz would Fuck off for a week.... Angry

Aw Cookie! I can't believe it!! How are you feeling about it?

minimooo · 13/07/2015 19:11

Thanks for the love viroids. It was a bit upsetting writing it all out last night, but it feels nice to get it all out of my head and onto paper iykwim. I'll join you in the hypnobirthing annoyance. I've found myself feeling like a failure because I couldn't "breathe baby out" after all my hypnobirthing classes. I can't help thinking that I wouldn't be beating myself up so much if I hadn't built up a "perfect birth" image in my mind - which is what they taught me to do in the classes.

Thanks for asking the question regarding Help syndrome wil - it's actually not something I'd considered so will add that to my list of questions to ask during the Birth Reflections meeting.

popz yep, unfortunately both me and dh have a healthy dose of ptsd Sad I actually think dh has it worse than me. He was really affected by the whole thing - I guess because he had to watch it all happen in front of him. We both get nightmares and flashbacks, though dh's are def worse. We haven't been offered counselling unfortunately, but I've suggested that dh should contact Mind to get some sessions.

Yay for standing miniscoob! How exciting!

Boo to the end of mat leave cookie!

Angry to unwanted MIL advice.

And big hugs and Flowers for all the bad birthing experiences. It's utterly crappy that there's so many sad stories xx

Minion · 13/07/2015 21:05

Oh mini love. What a trauma for you all. I hope you get the counselling and closure you all need soon.
Standing scoob, Eeek! Exciting but how fast is that going? R won't be far behind. She's so bloody determined.

So it turns out it's not teeth this time, a horrendous cold is to blame! She's in bed coughing and spluttering away, poor lamb. Hopefully she can sleep through most of it.
Phoned the GP and she said 'teething', hmmmm. With green snot!
And you can actually hear how hoarse her voice has gone today.

It's coming to that time I have to tell work when I'm due back, but I'm waiting to hear about the other job as it is still being sorted.
It's taking ages.

RPopz · 13/07/2015 21:11

Oooh new job Min?

Need to learn to stay in her... mn really fucks me off sometimes Angry

ZylaB · 13/07/2015 21:43

What's annoyed you popz

WilHarlot · 13/07/2015 22:05

Spill Popz!

PixieChops · 13/07/2015 22:21

Oh Mini that sounds absolutely horrific. No wonder you're feeling like you are. I read your story out to my OH and he was mortified for you too. It must've been petrifying, thank you for sharing your story with us. It's a really brave thing to do. Thanks
I agree that hypno birthing can give women more of a "failure" feeling. I also did it and I found it to be a load of shit. Not only that I told my tutor about my birth story and she didn't even put a congratulations on her page for me (like she did with everyone else) obviously because I didn't have a "perfect" birth. I think that made me feel a whole lot worse as not only did I feel like a failure but she thought I was one too so I was crushed and worried about how many other people thought I'd failed as a woman to not be able to give birth in a calm manner.

Popz spill the beans, I'm a great believer in getting everything off your chest, it'll make you feel better Smile

Some days I wish R was up and walking etc as he'd be easier to deal with and would be sleeping through, other days I feel guilty about wishing his life away as he'll be my last and I should be trying to enjoy him being so little as much as possible. It's hard to be positive though when you're not allowed to go to sleep until 6:30 in the morning.

My right eye is so blurry (don't know whether it's lack of sleep) but thinking of going to see an optician as I'm concerned because it's taken a real turn for the worst recently. Blindness and eye conditions run in my family and even though I want to get checked out at the same time I'm petrified in case they find something wrong Confused

teejayem · 13/07/2015 23:14

Do I need to create a jiffy popz? TT can provide a loaded nappy almost on demand if so...
Yeah she's keen. Or just a bit of a knob. She won't be looking after him while she still smokes in the house, never mind while I'm still breastfeeding. Anyway!
We're doing okay without Mr Tee. Although not being able to give him to his daddy for burping (he's better than me) and having to speed-wee and shower before he starts screaming because he isn't being held has been a bit of a drag. I love him to death though and am secretly loving being able to hog all the cuddles, he's asleep on my chest with his mouth open as I type Smile. I'm also quite liking being able to watch west wing at 3am and not worry about waking mr tee up. On the other hand it's like half the team is missing sentimental twat

I don't remember the last time I washed my hair. dirty bitch I've left it curly and it looks half alright from a distance but actually feels like rope. And the roots. Bloody roots..... Shock

Pisghetti · 14/07/2015 02:20

Tee! Bouncy chair in the bathroom as soon as he's asleep. 2-in-1 shampoo and conditioner in first. If you still have time - wash body. Don't make the mistake of shaving armpits before you've washed them - you may not get the chance. I can be in and out within 2 minutes if she's not in the mood for a clean mummy.

Look at the bloody time and I can't even blame the baby. Just not in the mood for sleep tonight twiddles thumbs

Pisghetti · 14/07/2015 02:22

Mini that's seriously rough Sad I don't have anything useful to add but hope you get some sort of closure and can move on x

ZylaB · 14/07/2015 08:03

I had 2 glasses of wine last night, that's not enough to make me throw up in the morning is it, so whhhhy have I just had my head down the toilet? Bugger....I'm going to buy a couple of FRERs today, it's 10 days and that's when I got a bfp last time, but I'll do one today and if it's a bfn, one at weekend for reassurance.

ZylaB · 14/07/2015 08:21

Oh! I was going to ask... H's neck is nearly better yay. But when it is 100% healed and not pink anymore how do I stop it happening again? I was going to use some baby powder, just in the crease of her neck to absorb the sweat a bit..but..are we supposed to use powder these days? I thought the were reasons not to? The only alternative is for me to keep cleaning and drying it 3 or 4 times a day, which is ok, but won't keep it as dry as powder I suspect. Any words of wisdom?

FurryScoob · 14/07/2015 08:39

Wooohhoooooo POAS action! We need photos zyla just in case we can see an invisible line!

I think powders not recommended because of the baby inhaling the cloud of powder that comes out when you tip the powder out but if you put some on your hand away from H then rubbed it in that might help.

Miniscoob got up for a 2 hour party last nightSad she's now full of energy chasing the cat, how do they have sooooo much energy after so little sleep.

RPopz · 14/07/2015 10:38

Zyla!!!!! Shock Eeepers. Would you like it to be a bfp?

I'm all good now viroids! Just me overreacting I think Smile

Tee - feel free to get a jiffy out for MrPopz. He's gone to work having used all the milk, all the toilet roll and not done the washing up.... plus he's just generally an asshat. Angry

KatoPotato · 14/07/2015 10:39

Zyla I use talc to keep ds2 fresh, as I did with DS1. The warnings are for inhaling - but pat into your hand from a distance first, and for caking it into female parts! Just don't go daft and I think it'll help clear it up soon!

Adds also used to do liquid talc that went in as a lotion?