September 2006 Babies - growing in front of our eyes!

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New thread everyone!

Wow, well done Corinader
And great news on the sleeping front Liquid
Redz - couldn't you and dd go with dp? Surely the memorial service isn't actually on the 25th? Or could he drive from his parents to yours on Xmas Eve? Hope you get it sorted....

Cori, maybe both our LOs are having growth spurts. Edward had been a lot more settled too for the past week and was sleeping for longer stretches. I thought we'd turned a corner..oh well I'm hoping its only temporary.

hi all

redz i dont think your being moany at all i would feel the same if my dh was not going to be with us at christmas is there no way at all of getting around it so he could spend christmas day with you.

coriander sex at last it sounds like it has been a long time. Wish i felt the same i have not got around to doing the deed yet wish i had dont think dh can wait much longer.

It will be dh birthday on friday and my parents are taking dd and ds1 away for the weekend, so i asked dh to ask his mother to watch ds2 for a few hours on friday so we could go for a drink. The problem is he has asked his mother to have him over night. I feel really upset at the thought of this and i dont want him to stay over. Worried if i tell mil this she will think i am being funny and wont have him. We have a good slepping routine with him also and iam a bit worried this may change it. Do you think i am being silly and should just let him stay over.

redz - no you are not being at all silly. he is your ds and you have a physiological need to be near him! I would not enjoy my evening at all if I thought that lo would be away from home. All I would think about is getting him back near me. It's not so bad with the older child but a new baby. . I am sure that your mil will understand. She may even be surprised that you are happy to leave him overnight so early on but afraid to say in case she offends you??? There is plenty of time to send him on overnighters but not until you feel ready for separation. don't worry about offending people - he is YOUR baby.hth

Redz/kseaj- sorry that last post was for kseaj!!!

Wow, all - same kinds of things going on here. 2am this morning went down to kitchen for a shot of brandy. It was either that or just toss & turn from 2am 'til morning - I'd been doing it already for an hour, since 1. Desperate times call for desperate measures. This sleep deprivation is cumulative. I think that's what we're all feeling right now ... my insomnia has really gotten out of control. First it was a few antihistamines would put me out ... then those plus a sleeping pill ... then tried prescribed codeine ... then gave all that up b/c too weird to have to rely on any of it. But last night was desperate. Disgusting drinking hard liquor by oneself - I'm far from addicted BTW; one glass wine per week if that ... just [frustrated] ... can't ever really relax b/c feel like when I do, if I do fall asleep, baby will wake me at the deepest point ... so, what's the point?? Hoping as well that this ends SOON.

Marls - you poor thing with the insomnia. I find it difficult to sleep these days - i always seem to be fretting about something or other. Really gets you down esp when you are lying there knowing that everyone else in the house is sleeping soundly and then knowing that you have to face another day feeling dreadful but acting happy and lively so everyone else feels good . Do you also wake at every turn/grunt/sigh your lo makes? It is like a million volts gong through your body as soon as lo stirs. It does get better though.

Hi all not got on for a few days - DH been hogging the laptop.
Hope everyone is well - i think I can safely say that last night was the worst so far and not for the obvious reasons - I blame DH completely - which is probably a bit harsh, but basically I decided to start a pilates class, which starts at 7pm, so I expressed some milk yesterday for DH to give to DS at about 6.30pm ( I was leaving the house at 6.40pm), anyway he wouldn't take the bottle, so i was in to minds whether to go, but DH pursuaded me all would be fine. I get home at 8.20pm, so find that Ds had not had his milk atall. I was panicking thining, well now he's missed a feed, so even if I feed him at 10.30pm he'll still wake up twice in the night. So at 8.30 I got him up and fed him then had to stay up til midnight to give him his last feed.
On the way to bed DH decided to look in on DS1 and woke him up, screaming , inconsolable, so of course he came in to our bed but would not settle, so in the end I took myself in to DS1's room to sleep on the broken sofa bed which won't become a bed anymore, so had to sleep on it as a sofa, with the spare thin summer duvet, so freezing cold, and when DS2 woke up for a feed (god knows what time - didn't have a clock), I couldn't feed him lying down as I do normally because there wasn't room and he started getting hysterical, so had to get up to feed him. So this morning ache all over - not sure if it's the pilates or the broken sofa bed. Just thoroughly fed up, then DS2 got hysterical when DH left for work and went crzy banging and kicking the front door for about 15 minutes - even the promise of chocolate from his advent calender wouldn't console him. I've just had enough today ...... sorry moan over.
Liquid - my DH and I have started a photography business and I am also in the process learning floristry and do flowers for friends for birthdays, mothers day etc. DH still works full time as well, as we are not making quite enough money yet to take that 'leap of faith' and do it full time. What is it you'd like to know?
With flowers (particularly for mothers day / xmas etc - where all the orders are for the same day) I have to make sure I have not taken on too much. Last xmas I spent hours making table centrpieces which were much more time consuming than I'd anticipated.

OK, so its taken me a very long while to catch up here...i had about 50 messages to read! ((im very very surprised that i'm able to type anything now, as it seems over the last week & half, DS has been taking up soooo much time!

Less sleeping in the day, more bf, not wanting me to leave him in the room alone for too long...just generally being more needy. Which i'm more than happy to give. but at the same time, my house is a wreck! very little time to start anything without having to put it down to entertain the LO. He's not quite grabby just yet (only 10 weeks) so im reluctant to get a playgym to sit him under so i can do other things. ((anyone else's LO use a gym??))

Also, i've been spending so much time running around, getting shopping done (WOOT WOOT! yes, im finished xmas shopping), running errands, picking out carpet & paint, etc... i just dont have the energy for it at the moment. And of course, i probably won't have any time to wrap gifts! ((should be doing it now, but wanted to post something here first)) last night, DS fell asleep in my arms after a late feed...and i had all the wrapping stuff out and got organized...managed to wrap 1 measley little thing and he woke up! and wouldnt settle again no matter what!

i had one of those moments where you just want to pull your hair out and cry. (didnt pull out hair, just cried though!)) hubby took him but DS was just crying crazy style in his arms while DH's friend was sitting next to him. i took DS upstairs and just like magic, he stopped while i was taking the stairs...then he cried again when i reached the landing! so i took him down the stairs and he stopped. there was no flippin way i was going to play the stair master all night! hehehehe so i gave in and put him to the boob to soothe him, and he dropped off...crashed very hard and slept til about 3am. Overstimulated or over tired perhaps???

Nights are going fine. waking for feeds at the regular times..and of course, occassionally waking from his own gas, but falling back to sleep just after he's finished. I must admit that althogh him sleeping in the moses was going well (with a grobag and his cuski rag), he's been sleeping with me all night for about a week now...((DH has been sleeping downstairs so that he gets a fulller nights sleep, fresh and ready for work the next day.)) its colder in bed now awwww!

anyways, i'm scared that DS has learned a very bad habit that i've started! im afraid he's not going to sleep alone again! i know i know, why not start the moses basket again tonight??? i'll try it. But its a heavy problem when you have to consider: more sleep cos he's with you or less sleep so that he learns to be on his own, as he wakes in the basket.... a dilema that im sure some of you have thought about?

anyways, i've rambled on long enough about my woes! I'm glad to hear you are all doing alright! and the LO's are growing well.

((except the poo up the back problem...my LO is just starting this...ive learned VERY quickly to have an extra set of clothes with me no matter where i go!))

Happy holidays, everyone!!

munki i have playgym for ds he is also 10 weeks. He does not grab anything but the lights flash on it so he does like to lie and watch them.

Mil is coming round tonight so will speak to her about friday the thought of him not been here is bothering me more than it was yesterday

ksasej - then don't let him go. You are his mummy, he is your baby.

I have a vtec playgym for DS, i bought it for him as I didn't really like the one ds1 had (it was a present - so not necessarily my choice). He does grab now (he is 12 weeks tommorow) and I have also noticed that if i give him a rattle he's started to mouth it, so i guess his hand to mouth co-ordination is getting quite good.

Hi all,

Managed to get to the shops today to do some more Xmas shopping and managed to avoid the rain and wind!

Sorry didnt make it clear dp is going to Nigeria so travelling on the 18th and returns on the 28th so will be here for new years.(the trip was suppose to be for 3wks but he cut it short to 10 days) I didnt want to go because I feel dd is too young to travel so far and I would prefer to be here with my family with my new baby girl for her first xmas.
I'ts just not going to be the same im so dissapointed But I suppose he will be here for New Years and we'll have to make the most of that time.
I dont know maybe I should be happy that for 10days I wont have to pick up after him and if I leave a cream cake in the fridge it will still be there 10mins later!......
No actually im gonna miss that too

Me again!
Kseaj Just wanted to say collect ds after you go out with dh if you dont want him to stay. I understand how it feels not having your lo near you. However if you do decide to let him stay just advise mil of the routine you have in place so she can follow it.
I have left dd with my mum overnight and she really does follow my routine down to a T so nothing changes when dd comes home.
Whatever you decide just make sure your happy about it or you wont be able to enjoy your night out

kseaj - I also would not be happy to leave DS2 with anyone overnight - even my mum who's had three of us and lots of experience with DS1. 10 weeks is just too young - bit for some reason men seem to have trouble realising this!

Munki - babygyms aren't just for grabbing, the visual stimulation id good for babies too and it's important that they get used to spending litlle bits of time here and there on their own. By putting him under a gym now you'll be engaging his natural curiosity and he'll try to grab things sooner even if he can't manage it - DS2 is also 10 weeks and he 'bats' things quite purposefully and has been doing for a few weeks now.

Marls - I battled with severe insomnia when I was in my late teens and it really is the pits, you have much sympathy. Sounds like you might be letting your anxiety get the better of you a bit about the probability that you'll be woken up anyway. I tried visual relaxation techniques but they were useless in the middle of the night - eventually for me what worked was gettng up, going downstairs and gettin warm milk and going back to bed and doingmuscular relaxation. The warm milk raises your body temp slightly and while you cool down it burns off a bit of energy which helps make you sleepy. Doing muscular relaxation takes concentration ad distracts your mind from all those anxieties and thoughts flying through your mind. Eventually just the routine of doing all that taught my body that it was time to sleep. - I still have a warm drink before bed and press all my joints into the mattress etc! Try not to get too hooked on using herbs/meds - they're only a temporary fix and don't sort the problem (though I'm sure you already know that). Good luck - hopefully Jameson will start sleeping better soon and the anxiety will disappear with his night wakings!

Hi Munki - re:babygym - ds has one with sound and lights (bit of a con really) but he is not really all that interested in it (he is 13 weeks today). I have to actively show him the hanging toys to get his attention drawn to them and even then he would rather grin and coo at me! . I would receommend one in any case though as they are great once lo's get the hang of them or get interested in them.
Liquid - great that your lo is grabbing etc. ds has only today shown signs of wanting to use his hands for anything other than sucking. Gotta go - knackered! More tomorrow

thanks for the input on the baby gyms. even though, i suspect my LO will be more interested at cooing and looking at my face, same as cruise's LO... but i can see how it will be handy to have for when he does become interested in smiling at something else.

Speaking of that...i put ds in front of the bathroom mirror the other day. and even though it took him a few minutes to find his face and not mine in the mirror, it was SUCH a nice warm and fuzzy feeling to see him smiling at his reflection. awwwww!!!

does anyone else have laughing yet? ((those that are 10-11 weeks and younger, i mean)). I've only heard fynn laugh twice. and both times he was napping while suckling on the dummy! ha! it was very sweet. i can't wait to hear the giggling!

Re: babygyms...maybe it's a boy thing? My DD loved her's from about 8 weeks but Jack, at 12 weeks just doesn't seem to show any interest or if I do put him on there he lasts only 5 mins or so before crying. Sitting in his chair or on the floor sans gym he loves....

Gave him a bottle at 10pm & he went through until 4.10....progress!!!!! (although boobs very engorged this morning as a result)

Cori - no the gym is not a boy thing , DS1 preferred his chair, or me, would not lie on the floor under any circumstances. Ds lies there happily for a good half an hour if I let him, talking to his gym!
Yes we have laughing here - Ds2 is 12 weeks today. He laughs if I do 'round and round the garden'
Awful night again last night, DS woke at 3am , Dh had left his night lights on and it woke him up, so we had hysterics again and I ended up on the broken sofa bed again!. Ds2 on the other hand slept til 5.30am bless him.

Munki - you tried putting lo in his moses basket again yet? If so, how did it go?

hello everyone, lots to catch up on..

kseaj, I would be worried about leaving DS2 over night so young too... With DS1 we left him with my parents for the first time for 1 night when he was 6 months, and had been sleeping 7-7 every night for 3 months, and I was still worried!

Liquid, I made all my own wedding invitations/orders of service/thankyou cards, and have made sets for my SIL and good friends. I've also thought I'd love to set up a business doing that and glass painting - but have never done anything about it! Instead, I've stuck to the steady income of working in the law!! Boring!! So no tips, but I hope it works out.

Mabel, sounds like your nights have gone a bit haywire! Hope it gets better over the weekend...

I actually have both children asleep!! DS1 in the buggy (just been to the park and worn him out, he fell asleep on the way home, and DS2 in the cocoon on the floor (he was in the buggy too, but is due a feed, and I thought moving him might wake him up.... it hasn't!).

DS2 still guzzles the formula more than any EBM... Oh well!

oh yes, we have laughing here too, but only for the first time properly yesterday. Melts your heart! He's 14 weeks tomorrow.

Hi all,

Munkibaby my lo starting laughing around 8weeks old. She now laughs giggles coo's and has a good old conversation. Im now realising that she probably started alot sooner than expected, but when you've only had one baby you just think its the normal stage. Took her to the docs the other day and even he was impressed that she laughs and turns to you when you call her name.
I sit and talk to her and she makes sound's as if trying to reply. She'll be 11weeks on sunday but then she does weigh 14lb now!!
Right now she's sitting on her bouncy chair laughing away at the little teddies that hang from it.
She holds her rattle and shakes it and loves grabbing the xmas tree.
My mum says she's an old spirit,apparently this was said about me when I was young because I started walking at 8months. Well I'll just have to wait and see with dd

Sorry I could go on and on about her

Correction! Ive just been advised by dp that dd laughed for the first time when she was 8weeks and 4days old! He wrote it in his diary! aaahhhh bless

Redz ~ a huge "awwwwwwwww!' for your DH! heheheh my ds has been cooing and grinning since about 7-8 weeks...but no regular laughing just yet. ((like mentioned prior, just while sleeping...must be having sweet little dreams of pooing, feeding, or mommy's funny faces)) heheheh

your dd must be an old spirit with personality like that, so young! its very sweet.

since you were corrected by dh, i assume that he occassionally looks over your shoulder and reads these entries? ((mine does the same...if i leave the window open, he'll read them.))

Cruise ~ last night, i gave it a go...back in the basket. i don't know when, but at some point in the night, i put him in bed with me. ((scary that i dont remember)). i will keep trying from here...with the occassional treat of him sleeping with me. ((again, it just means mum gets more sleep... so i'll save it for when im particularily tired)) i just wish he'd sleep start sleeping through, at least until 4am!

DH has been sleeping downstairs over past couple weeks on weeknights. it started when ds's night was disturbed from injections and aches, etc. and i dont blame him for needing to be clear headed for his day at the office. But last night when i was taking ds upstairs, i mentioned to dh that i was going to attempt to start the moses basket again. He replied with: Oh, then maybe i'll start sleeping upstairs again." not in a nasty way or anything..but uhh...where did this come from?!?!? all this time, he's been down here, allegedly, because ive had fynn in the bed with me?!?! it was news to me...i wish he'd told me sooner! silly boy.

it might just be for the best, seeing as my sexual prowess that i had a few weeks ago seems to have gone missing! again! can i blam the holiday stress?

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