March 2013- the one where plonk gets married!

[Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife]

Perilously close to filling the old thread suddenly!

Shattered I've not yet made anything he suggests, but his recipes look delicious. Buy it! I think it's about a tenner on Amazon right now.

I'm making DS a turkey korma for his tea today. It's bubbling away on the stove while he naps, and I'm fighting the very strong urge to gobble it all up myself.

Oh girls I feel rough. Like when I was up duff. But I have a coil. And it's only been about 2.5 weeks since period. That's all pointing to not up duff isn't it? I am not in best place to be entertaining that thought right now. So I'm hoping it's something else. When can you check for pregnancy? Two weeks after conception too early? I'm off to Google. Sigh.

Sorry for self absorbed post. Am at children's farm unable to go on tractor ride as feel too queasy so stayed behind.

And wouldn't pregnancies with a coil in place be all sorts of doomed? Bleurgh.

Oh Eco! You poor thing. Pg with coil has higher risk of ectopic so needs checking if you're worried. If not, coil can be removed which may trigger mc. I guess the theory is that you have the coil to not be pg. You sound like you might be less than averse to the idea though? Big hugs anyway. Hope it's just a bug and you're raring to go again soon.

eco littlest niece was conceived with a coil in, and is absolutely fine! Some of the early response tests work pretty early. If in doubt, ask your pharmacist! And if you are upduffed, I may die of jealousy.

Eco 2.5 weeks post period would mean you were literally days pregnant, so hormone levels would be pretty low... Doesn't mean you aren't, but a test might not show it yet. I tend not to get a positive test until a week after period is due, even using an early response test. Caught me out big time with the toddle that one, as I had a BFN at 3 days late. If you test now, buy a double pack so you can do another later on.

I'm all distracted now and can't think of anything else . I hope you get the right result for you, but on the just in case it's positive side of things, I can assure you that despite all my whinging it's lovely being pregnant again. It took about 18 weeks to really get my head together about it, but now I'm feeling kicks, it just feels sort of right.

Thanks guys. I read that with coils eggs sometimes get fertilised and you feel pregnancy symptoms for a week or so but then it fails to implant because of coil so it all subsides. Now, despite not wanting another baby right now that just makes me feel No idea what that means! It's all terribly unlikely so I should probably forget about it for a couple of weeks.

I can hear Ecotod in the bath saying 'turtle' which is her new favourite word. It's very sweet.

She's with her dad by the way. She's not unsupervised in the bath

I just topped last week's bad mummy moment. Fartypants was in bed, and from the crying it was apparent that Zebra had escaped the cot. I went upstairs to return him, then went out for a smoke. Or tried to, anyway. Couldn't find my lighter anywhere... Bloody shirt pocket! And now, because I went in her room when she was half asleep, she thinks it's playtime. It's not playtime. But it is high pitched angry screeching time. Sigh.

Oh eco sorry you are feeling grim. That's interesting about the eggs being fertilised and feeling symptoms. About 3 months ago I felt the same and even did a test. I really thought I was pregnant but hormones were playing tricks on me. How are you feeling this evening? Perhaps you may want baby 2 now. A pregnancy "scare" does actually test your true feelings about another baby.

stormy sounds like you need to ban shirts with pockets for a while.

clearly ds read my last post and jinxed the good sleep. We was awake from 1-4am last night trying everything I can to put him to sleep. Typically on the day I had to get up early for work I had to wake him up.

I've just thought, my twenty week scan was around October 20th, doli's due date is a month before mine was... You must be due for it soon! Will we get to see a picture?

Hormones have a lot to answer for don't they. For me PMT and pregnancy feel pretty much the same, which has given me all kinds of scares over the years.

Stormy scan is next Tuesday. This time is going to be a bit weird as I'll be on my own for it (DH will have to stay at home to look after the toddle). Next Thurs is the fetal heart scan up in London, again on my own. Second pregnancies are so different.

Yummy jinxed sleep here too - last night we were up for 2 hours, and the previous night 4. Fingers crossed for tonight.

That is a bit of an odd thought, having scans by yourself. I'm sure you'll be fine though, and at least it's an opportunity for a bit of peace and quiet. What about the birth though? Apologies if you haven't thought that far ahead and now I'm worrying you! And now I'm wondering what we'll do if we have another...

Eco I hope you're feeling a little better today. It's worth testing I think, but as Doli says, it'll be an incredibly recent thing. I know what you mean though, I have experienced pregnancy symptoms mid-late cycle too. I was convinced I was upduffed while we were away, I just had two days of that knocked-sideways tired feeling, complete with feeling sick and backache. Not ovulation, and not due on at the time either (smack between the two). Now I'm having the heaviest period ever and it's very painful. I don't think that's a coincidence!

Sorry for the hijack, just trying to empathise. I can't remember if you said you expected DD to be an only child, or if you're tempted by the prospect of another?

DOLI. TUESDAY! That's only a week! How have you kept it so quiet? It must really be true that you barely notice the pregnancy second time around, so busy is life with a toddler. Smiled lots when I read about the babax kicking away.

Stormy I imagine lots of couples put nearby relatives/friends on standby when they're about to have another child. Or homebirth. But that could be a bit...trauma-ey for the kid. I was born at home (by accident), Dad was at work 70 miles away, and my DM sent DSis round to the neighbours to play. The MW had insisted on it apparently, as until that point, DSis was just in the garden pulling all the flowers up. She was almost 4.

I've had a baking fail. It was going to be soooo gooood. Maybe should eat evidence. Yes.

Stormy you have hit on a very good point. We have no plan for the birth. I'm slightly in denial about this, but the stark reality is if I go into labour when DH is in London I'll be really stuck, and even if he is at home best case scenario is he will drive me in with dd, and then drive her straight home again. I'm sure we'll think of something. It's months away after all!

Trumps hide the evidence in the freezer. Gives you time to think of a salvage plan like trifle for dry brownies

I'm think I may be back on earth from planet Zog today.... The toddle slept through last night, and is napping now. The healing power of sleep cannot be underestimated.

Eco how're you feeling today?

Warning, dd just climbed out of her travel cot/play pen.... which means she can climb out of her cot as well if she wants to. Scary. That's a big drop. Looks like we'll be shopping for a cot bed at the weekend.

If she can do this, all the toddles probably can, so be careful.

Are cot beds lower, doli, or are you planning to dispense with the sides? No climbing out here yet but I put that down to the sleeping bag - can't move her legs far enough apart to swing one over. I suspect the toybox in the playpen will be upended and used to escape at some point. Possibly from the house as well as the playpen. This evening she took the box over to the front door, stood on it, realised she's still too short to reach the handle, and contented herself with playing with the letterbox. Another inch and she'll be off.

Thanks for the warning doli. Another challenge to contend with. How is babax doing this evening? Playing football with your insides? Very excited for you about the 20 week scan.

stormy I hadn't even thought about the front door. Thanks for the tip off.

trump what did you try to bake? I am sure it tasted lovely even if presentation was not up to scratch. I wish I had more time/energy to bake.

Why does ds not follow with bedtime routines. Grrrr. you would think after 18months he would know bath, story, milk and dummy signals sleep time.

DS can open door handles without the aid of a step everything needs to be locked now, which isn't a bad thing. We've been considering taking one side off the cot to replace with the lower side to turn it into a cot bed. I still think he's not ready but any signs of him making a break over the bars and we'll get on it.

How do you all do nighttime milk? If you do. I tried tonight to not give DS milk in his tommee tippee bottle in his room but he wouldn't stop screeching until I did. Despite the fact he'd just had a whole bottle in the living room before. Seems that he needs his pre-bedtime milky cuddles.

something ds has milk in a bottle in his cot. Actually all milk is drank in a bottle in the cot. Less distraction so he drinks it all and he can have some quiet time whilst drinking.

Lower beds and doors. Both are an imminent situation in this house. It sounds bonkers but I don't think he'll ever climb out of his cot. Even so we've discussed removing the side (we have a cot bed), and many a relative has asked if he sleeps in a 'real' bed yet (no, it's obviously imaginary )

He can open the kitchen door so my sanctuary is gone! Hasn't yet realised that all the doors in this house are identical, therefore he can get into every room. He does knock though.

Bed milk is after stories and bath, in front of the telly the routine was decided by dh way back when, and I was trying not to interfere. I would have chosen to do it in ds's room, but no. Telly.

I'm having the most horrendous period. Yummy my failed bake was a kind of oaty peanut butter cookie. I think my oven was too hot and they've crumbled.

Trump you shouldn't be baking. You need to be resting. Put your feet up, snuggle up to a hot water bottle and have a hot cup of tea.

Its my Friiday today at work and boy am I happy. Roll on lunchtime.

It's official... I cannot take any more this week. DH has got hand foot and mouth. Neither the toddle and I have had it, and given how contagious it is we're basically sitting looking at a loaded gun on this one. It's been constant illnesses and broken nights for weeks. I'm exhausted. I was up half the night again last night. It's bloody hard at the best of times, and now I have to worry about yet another virus when pregnant. It's a low risk one, very slight chance of complications, but all the same it would be nice to have just one week when everyone is well.

I'm going to cry now. It seems the best possible option

Silver linings: hfm isn't that bad, as illnesses go. If dolitoddle does get it, expect a few very grumpy days, then they're fine, if a bit plague-looking. If there is cake in the pantry, go cry in there and eat it, and there's another silver lining.

(Decaf obv) for Doli

Hi Doli. Did you come out of the cake cupboard yet? I'm sorry that you are having this run of illness after illness. No fun. And hard with the pregnancy too. Can you get the whole family (inc DH) on a health kick....echinacea, exercise, lots of fruit/veg....anything to try and steel up your immune systems to decrease the chance of you getting poorly. Sending positive vibes wibbling down to you from Beds.

Doli how helpful was DH when you birthed the toddle? Do you feel like he is your rock and you need him with you? If you're not certain about that then what about having a girlfriend birthing partner? I had my friend with me for the birth and she was brilliant. She had had a baby herself so could do empathy. She was serene. She was reassuring and comforting and encouraging. She did useful things. She had a toddler herself when she helped and as she lives in Kent with no family nearby she had to arrange childcare for her own little one. She asked the key worker at her nursery if she'd be ok to have her dd when I went into labour and that's what she did. Might that be another option?

I can't quite see how anyone could climb out of a cot. There's nothing to put your feet on (unless as Stormy said you have a large object in it). Until I heard your stories I had been banking on staying in the cot for the foreseeable.

Something we do night time milk on sofa prior to going up for bath and bed on the advice of nurturing sleep lady so as there's no milk/sleep association. However, I'm not sure what the downside of having that association is now I come to think about it. Is it to do with waking in the night and them 'needing' milk to get back to sleep? I think so. If you don't have that problem then surely all is ok?

Still feeling dodgy here. Interesting to hear that you felt similar trumpy and yummy; do you think the bad period is because there was a sad fertilized egg that had no place to hunker down then? I'm struggling with this as something that happens with the coil. Bit weird. I was never someone who said 'i want children' but was delighted when I got unexpectedly pregnant. Excited yet terrified! DH is not shy about the idea of another but I am much more so. For a variety of reasons. Hence being rather spooked at the officially remote possibility that I might be pregnant. You're right though yummy; having a scare does crystalise how you really feel about it. I have calmed down a bit now I've heard other coil users have similar experiences. As soon as we are certain that our family is complete I'm all for sterilisation or vasectomy; contraception sucks.

We've been to mobile soft play this morning and they played with balls on a parachute. That went down well with ecotod. We have one of our NCT friends coming to visit tomorrow for the night (without her DS) so that is beyond exciting. A familiar face :-)

Oh that sucks Doli. How ill is DH? If it's only mild then I'd say leave him to it for a couple of days and keep a safe distance. And I think eco's advice is excellent, as per! I hope this string of illnesses ends very soon.

eco this month I feel like I've been hit by a truck. Period so heavy that I'm feeling very lethargic, have had the dire rear and lots of nausea. It's very strange. I'd have thought that if there has been a sad egg that hasn't wandered my inhospitable environment (now there's an image for you) I wouldn't be any the wiser. It wouldn't even class as a chemical pregnancy. Perhaps it's just a bad month....I think I've had a very hectic summer and the adrenaline's finally worn off, so to speak. I'm with you on the sterilisation front though - I know I don't want more than three, and rather suspect I'll be content with two kids.

It was DS's first day in the toddler room at nursery yesterday. The nap arrangements are rather different and I'm worried about them. He did manage a nap, but only half his usual length, and was so tired last night. We then had a bit of a fitful night (in with us at 2, up for the day at 5) that I'm worried about this settling in period. Gone are the mumsy keyworkers who create a calm environment and rock the toddlers to sleep in a buggy. It's more of a 'curl up in the corner and hope for the best' situation. Balls!