November 2012 - Spring is here, time to get our babies out and about.

[StuntNun]

Apart from the 'down under' contingent anyway!

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/2011361-November-2012-Walking-or-not-walking-talking-or-not-talking-any-other-skillz

Stunt do it as long as she'll give an accurate appraisal of any reaction. Actually even if she won't don't worry - if he's like Jonas he'll still be going hours later anyway... Good luck for it xxxxx

Stunt it will take several hours to materialise.

Finally, silence :o

Stunt having thought about that a bit longer - if you have to do it (and we were advised to wait six months after initial exclusion as they test for a reaction by elimination not by challenging - challenging is to see if they have outgrown it after a long period of exclusion to let the gut heal - which is possibly unlikely in a few weeks?) could you do it so DH can witness the reaction and will maybe take it a bit more seriously in the future? I find witnessing his reaction personally makes me take it seriously and stops me rushing him back onto it before he's ready as I remember his pain.

J has a GP appointment first thing on Wednesday so I would like a definite answer by then. I am certain it is the milk but unfortunately there's only one way to prove it. I thought it would be better giving him the milk first thing as it will give him a chance to be over the worst during the day. As J will be at the CM 9:30 to 1:30 it'll likely kick in in the early afternoon so I thought I would be better able to handle it after my few hours to myself.

Sounds like a good plan. A dietician would never test for it by trying to trigger a reaction but GPs always want to so as you say you might as well do it before the appointment to speed up a referral. Hopefully DH will witness it too.

In terms of timings we were advised to challenge him directly in the morning (the reaction can take 4-24 hours) and if challenging via BM then to do it in the evening (as it takes the same time to enter milk) - to maximise the chance of it not wrecking sleep.

Will your CM mind? I guess that's the only thing?

Actually, I once accidentally tested p with cheese after she grabbed my cheese on toast for breakfast. She proper chomped it. DH and I decided to just let the CM know what had happened and leave it at that. I felt I sometimes over analysed or second guessed behaviour. CM noticed nothing. I wonder if the emotional distance can be helpful?

P and I have been shopping. I bought her a new sleeping bag for 18-36 months - I thought she would be out of them by now. No sign of a toddler bed for certain!

She then had a mega nap but woke up utterly miserable. She has whined and moaned her way through the rest of the day and has obviously been feeling awful. Her temp went up again as well. She went to bed refusing almost all her milk and her story. Fingers crossed she has a better night than last night.

I tried to make Mother's Day cards for the grannies by painting her hands. She was not impressed. She really doesn't like dirty hands. The cards have not been a success . . .

My nephew once went batshit at one of those ceramic painting places when they painted his hands - LEAST SERENE FINGERPAINTING EXPERIENCE EVER!!!

R loves a good scribble with a wax crayon, seems to be treasured by grannies and aunties alike so far!

It might need to be a wee scribble as this was as far as we got and there are three to do

What a cute idea! Completely impractical outside the wonderful world of Pinterest but very cute

You guessed it! I am a Pinterest fail!

What babies allow hands to be pressed flat?

They don't. They lick the paint.

Which is why I'm a mummy fail and don't do messy play...

Me neither but I felt bad as maybe she was missing out and these looked cute. P HATED it.

pass E loves scribbling on DD1's chalkboard and painting pictures herself when it's under her control. But when I tried to do hand prints, massive fail. She wasn't happy. I've heard feet can be easier to do so give that a whirl.

DD1 back to her normal self. Bouncing like a lunatic on the trampoline and running around the garden!

E also seems back to herself this afternoon. I haven't given her cows milk since yesterday morning. I have no idea whether this is just coincidence and whether cows milk can enter/leave the body so quickly. I also have no idea if it could be a reaction to cows milk as I did bf her to start so wouldn't she have reacted to that? Although I guess she did for a bit and that's when the silent reflux was discovered. Watching all the other diary elimination trials with interest.

Handprints should be done when the baby is asleep.

Application submitted for Shetland. Will apply for the Orkney one too, but Shetland appeals more. And we have a clear plan on how to make this happen if I get offered it. Exciting shit!

J is much better and should be ok for nursery. He has been off 10 days out of the last 15. He slept until 5.30 this morning, but DD2 was up. Her duvet had fallen off her bed and she couldn't get it back up again. She tried to get in with DD1 and a squabble ensued. She had to sleep in with us as couldn't settle. Bloody typical.

Haven't caught up yet. Very busy FB day. Lol. A is on wake up two. Screaming again so have calpoled.

He is a week from being 6months(and a good weight) but still worried about giving full 5ml. But wondering if 2.5ml is giving him enough relief. Have the other one (can't remember how to spell it lol) on stand by incase calpol isn't enough.

Right I may catch up on today's chat if Velcro baby allows me to put him down. I also wana watch some good wife

Marking place. Horrendous cold and feeling sorry for myself. I'm that bad Dh has asked us mum to have both kids tomorrow. My sister claims I just have a sniffle it certainly feels more than a sniffle. Will have to cancel physio I think.

Today I cuddled a 3 week old baby. she was 7lb 12.

1. I am broody
2. How small must my 4lb 10 wee dot have been!?
3. F was v jealous, staring crossly out the car window at me

Windowless ward was bleak. But walked from there to a&e via 10m of outside, so might have got a bit of vitamin d unlikely

Organ donor chat is interesting, sad. I nearly cried at the thought. I think I would donate Fs organs, maybe. The problem is I know too much of the details of organ retrieval etc so would be able to visualise too much. I struggled when my grandad had a post mortem, as could picture too much Tricky. Not sure I could know for sure unless I was in that situation.

Jealous of all these lovely walks. Hopefully tomorrow will be dry so we can go off for a mooch across the hills. Plan to belatedly plant some veggie seeds.

Stunt good luck with whatever you try. if you are confident that milk is the issue then quite frankly, lie. I did. I knew milk was making her ill, so said I had challenged etc, but I hadn't. I just knew. it was so obvious, within days of stopping milk. There will probably be accidental challenges along the way which will back you up, but why put him through pain if you know. Hope that waffle makes sense. It's been a long day!

flouncy. Was wondering how you were the other day and forgot to ask. Dare I ask how Js sleep has been?

Looks like I'm gona be in for another bad night. 3 wake ups already. All 3 in last hour.
Fh is on night shift. Yeppie.

Stunt I'm with BP and lying. Some times Dr don't take you seriously. Or want you to try xyz before they will act.

Pass I want to do a bday card for my sis. Need it next weekend. Better get a move on. Thanks for reminder.

Finally thought of a gift mum wants. A coffee grinder. Used to crush Indian spices. She mentioned old one is held together with cello tape lol. Now to find a decent one.

VQ of the two I would definitely go for Shetland if we were doing island life again. The oil money means better infrastructure. Its more rugged / less rolling so much more scenic. And the wildlife on Shetland (otters and puffins especially) is amazing!

Speaking of accidental food challenges I have J a
Petits Filous yesterday and he was up four times in the night again and only settled with Calpol. Coincidence? Tbh I think his gut was completely messed up by that bug last month as he hasn't had a solid poo since. I'm going to ask the GP for probiotics and a referral to the paediatrician. Can they patch test for CMPI?

Stunt we've never been patch tested but J's is an intolerance so very likely wouldn't show up on a skin test - I think Flouncey's J was patch tested but his is an allergy (?). Whilst they use the term allergy / intolerance interchangeably I think there is a difference in the immune response (whether the reaction is gut based or immune system based?) but am not sure on the specifics.

Well ours is deffo milk. We cut two teeth this weekend and we had one wake on Friday for capol. He's soooo much happier even with teeth. Am starting to feel human again after two weeks of sleep.

Big hugs to all. Stunt you know J trust your instincts. I am not going to challenge L with milk again. He's happier on the formula, will try it again when he's older. He has tiny bits on porridge etc but I not giving him a bottle of it. I can't tolerate a glass of milk so he may just take after me