November 2012 - The exciting all new all singing all dancing fred

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1983613-November-2012-What-is-going-on-with-these-babies

P is on three bottles mainly. 4oz morning and lunchtime and 8oz at bedtime although she is dropping that to 4oz herself.

Now that we can do moo juice I am not how to proceed. I tried her with moo milk in a cup with her lunch and she liked the novelty but practically drowned. I put it in a sippy cup and she seemed genuinely furious to discover it was there. With a cup she got maybe 50ml with help. Should I stick to a bottle?

I was a zombie with O till week 15, slept everywhere. I never felt tiredness like that ever in my life.

Me too. I was in bed by 7:30 quite often! Gosh, the self-indulgence was lovely! I am glad I did it though - never again

I was the same with J and pals with both say that boy pregnancies took more out of them hence my wondering about team pink but I'm also wondering if my 'hmmm I'm really not feeling that tired' vs last time's 'OMG I'm dying of tiredness' is because you have a whole new tiredness benchmark after actually having a baby and compared to sleepless nights the first trimester isn't so bad? Or it's not kicked in yet? But at 8 weeks last time I was shagged and I do feel much more human, a teensy bit more queasy, a more normal appetite and capable of functioning off the couch. I was chasing J up and down the soft play climbing thingy last week - I can't imagine doing that the first time!

I wonder how much of it is just down to what we need to do? I could be utterly self-indulgent before so I was. When I think how full every day is now in comparison to what I used to do I cannot get my head around it. The same would happen if we had a second. I think experience and necessity make it work when it can.

VQ I'm not sure what you mean about J's foreskin. Has it changed at all? It should be tight and will not roll back until well after age 5 when boys start to produce testosterone and by 6 or 7 it will be looser and they will need to start rolling it back to wash.

And if you think all that is cringeworthy ladies with little boys then just you wait till your 6-year-old pops into your bedroom first thing to say hello and has morning wood. I remember DS2 trying to bat his down because he wanted to pee. Boys are gross!

And people told me I was having a boy all the time. Bump shape, the way I looked, tiredness, how busy she was in utero - all boy traits apparently.

I would love a boy and have chosen his name already

stunt you should try teacher the little blighters sex ed!!

Pass we've had a girl's name since last time. Another boy's name would utterly fox us....

Booking in? How exciting yw!

We've got a few boys names but not a single girls name we can agree on.

Isles I didn't buy it yet so can't tell you sorry. Did you buy that one or a different one in the end?

apple I went for that one. Getting it delivered to my mums. No email confirmation as yet though?

I too have had a girls name since the day I found out about L, another boy would fox us. I would love a girl next time but I have a feeling in a mother of boys.

I was told by everyone that F would be a boy. WRONG! I would do childbirth again tomorrow, but the pregnancy bit. Not yet. I lost half a stone in the first 10 weeks with the nausea (mercifully no actual vom which remains a miracle - probs because I felt too sick to put anything in my tum), and have never known exhaustion like it. Not even now.

Isles I'm glad you've had a productive day after your bad start. Enjoy the wine!

Stunt what a mental image! The joys of boys lol.

VQ I suspect I will also hang onto clothes well beyond when I should. I must pack away the small stuff into vacuum bags. It's one of the jobs that keeps slipping to the bottom of the pile.

Todays new skill...nodding and shaking head for yes and no. Totally adorable. We established that she didn't want a kiss, did want a bath, didn't want any more tea. When I tried to video it, she decided she did want a kiss after all so the video is just her, open mouthed waiting for a snog.

Those of you with older girls/experience of kiddies, answer me this. Is it "normal behaviour" for a 6 yr old to be so obsessed with their appearance, that when something trivial is wrong with it, they hit themselves round the head? Or to worry that they are fat? Dh and I are worried about dsd for this reason, she is very vain and displays such self loathing already, I cannot see this ending well in the future. Her mother, a beautician who has had bulimia in the past, says all this is normal. Well not when I was growing up it wasn't. So would just value some expert quiche wisdom, please.

BP I don't think that's normal. And having a beautician for a mother is unlikely to lead to normal body image IMHO.

Our girl name is Rhiannon. What are the chances of a little StuntGirl arriving now? Slim to none probably.

YW I was only horrendously tired with my second pregnancy - as in going to bed straight after work, getting up for dinner, going back to bed for the night. DH had to do all the work in the evenings. With DS1 I didn't even do a pregnancy test until I was nine weeks so I must have felt fine, I only tested because I was annoyed at missing two periods in a row .

BP DD1 has done similar things, and keeps running on the spot so she gets fit and not fat. Sadly I think it is the world we live in, and they hear so much at school. All we can do is reassure them that they are loved and accepted and beautiful, and teach them about looking after our bodies

Stunt, thank you. That is helpful. It is kinda saggy but like a bag with the drawstring pulled really tight. I am sure it is fine. If it were swollen like a plum I would be concerned, but it is not.

J has a runny bottom and has been sick a few times this evening. I am hoping it is just a change in diet as he has dropped a bottle over the weekend and eaten more as a result. He also had two oat cakes yesterday which are full of fibre. I gave him 20 Omeprazole thinking it might be reflux with teeth. Not sure if that made it worse. I really wish there was some guidance for what to do with his meds. I think I will leave them as they were. At least I will have a baseline then.

I find the second he vomits, I am a quivering wreck, the way I was when he was so pukey. It is like I go straight back there. My tosser of a manager doesn't help with that, but I think it is something I need to think on. I am ok with vom, it is just with him. I am now terrified that he will vom in his sleep and die. I hate feeling like this. And I know he won't, he will just swear and shout and I will go running.

How is it that they can have their dinner, have a bottle, then vom back their dinner, keeping hold of the milk? How?

When I was preggo with DD1 EVERYONE told me I was having a boy. So much so that we didn't have a girls name sorted and I was quite surprised she was a girl I thought I'd prefer a boy. And then everyone told me yet again when I was pregnant with E that she'd be a boy but I had obviously learnt to ignore them and expected a girl. The tiredness I felt with DD1 was like tiredness I had never known. I used to get home from word and fall asleep on the sofa, sometimes before I'd even taken my coat off. And yes with DD1 I knew exactly how far gone I was right to the day, made sure I drank gallons of water, ate the right food etc. With E I regularly used to forget I was pregnant! I was glad when I got the big bump so I actually remembered. I bloody love being pregnant though. Maybe I'll do it again one day. Maybe.

vq I completely get where you're coming from re the vom. hand holding x

Thank you Eliza

I was convinced my second was a boy as the pregnancies were so different. She is very much a tomboy though.

I am off to try to sleep. He is coughing a lot but nothing squelchy. Yet.

I have had 4 offers on the furniture, including full asking. Hopefully it will be gone by next weekend and we can decorate her bedroom. The girls will be sharing for a bit. That will be fun

Pig, that's really sad It's also one of the reasons I'm glad I have a boy.

I got made redundant just before I found out I was pregnant and I am so glad! I was exhausted during the first trimester - I couldn't imagine having to go to work! I always 'knew' that O was a boy. I called referred to him as a boy even before the 20 week scan. I had no idea of girls names either so it's a bloody good job he was a boy.

Had a couple of panic attacks today which is bloody irritating.

Oops, bastard phone! Need df back for that one don't I Sophia

Will now attempt to straighten face and read rest of fred...

Isles I bought something from them before Christmas for C. Email confirmation came the next day and another email saying I could track my parcel the day after that.

no bp that is not 'normal'. As a small child I remember sitting on the loo looking at my things and wondering what they would look like if I could just slice the fat off. So I suppose in that regard such self-doubt is normal but the level of self-loathing and self-harm (sorry) is not.

With adolescent girls I try to change their vocabulary - talk about what beauty, health, power, happy etc mean and what that person looks like. She sounds a little like she has witnessed her mum worrying about her looks therefore believes this is necessary.

Start talking about clever, adventurous, brave, caring and so on as ways of describing people you see - either in real life or on telly or books. Encourage her to value other things.

Mine is a crappy and v old washer dryer and I never bother with the dryer bit - it takes 1.5 hours to dry a few night nappies in it, or 2-3 slung over radiators. Waste of electricity with just the three of us. Mind you, my flat is quite old and has both a boiler cupboard and an airing cupboard. And a larder

R's boy bits mystify me so I just leave them alone and chuck some water at them at bath time/wipe over at nappy change. I know not to retract until he's much bigger but that's about it

I referred to R as a girl before the 20 week scan but that's because it seemed really disrespectful to say "it" all the time. I'd like a girl next time round but would be equally happy with another boy. Eventually.

My phone clearly autocorrects het into heterosexual not the more common and obvious Get . Fat fingered fuck up, sorry i seem to be ok staying there with vvvdf, but when he's not there it just reminds me of that hell of a week not knowing if he'd even pull through, if he'd ever come home, and washing the same 3 tops and pairs of pants over and over again because I had nothing else to wear and was stuck for an indefinite period. It was lovely to see everyone, and R did a full hour of nap in the travel cot this morning so hopefully his aversion is past and we can go places again now!