November 2012 - The first fearless steps and the rest of us hoping our babies remain stationary for a bit longer

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1833979-November-2012-Teeth-Dont-talk-to-us-about-teeth

Bath anger controlled here by a sit up seat. He forgets about trying to climb out/stand up and just splashes and plays.

We too have a tantrum when anything deemed fun and therefore very dangerous is stopped. This includes regularly trying to fly.

Big hugs to all. Two more days of hols and then an 11 hour flight!!

Smyths toy shops are doing 20% off all toys until Monday. I just ordered a Smart Trike for James's birthday for £64.

stunt I'm so pleased that j is hoeing such an improvement sleep wise now. Thanks for the code. Might have to do some more Internet shopping later. Although I am finding it hard to think of things to buy E and I could spend an absolute fortune on DD1 so need to balance it a bit.

Got quite a busy dy with boring errands to run, housework, taking DD1 to dance class after nursery and then have friends over for dinner tonight. Think i will treat myself to a glass of vino tonight. Have a good day y'all.

pikz enjoy the last couple of days on your hols and hope you have a good flight.

He went to sleep around midnight and we just Co slept. Couldn't do bedtime routine as I was out a d Dh babysitting a friend's son too and couldn't coordinate. Since J didn't fall asleep til midnight then I doubt he would have went down anyway.

I'm not sure what our next tactic will be. I don't want to attempt the CC again if he's going to scream for so long, yet the first night I felt it worked well. I feel if we 'cave' then this will exacerbate the problem as he may think if he cries for x amount of time then someone will cuddle him

I downloaded the no cry sleep solution book to have a look at. bry I do think J won't handle pupd as he is a stubborn baby and would definitely get more worked up at it.

I've considered maybe moving the cot into our room but I don't really know how that will help?

I think I want someone to tell me what to do!

I'm doing a baby and kids market this weekend and need help on prices. I've packaged things in sets etc but not sure what's reasonable to ask . My sis has priced things really low when she's been helping me. For example M&co outfits for £1. How much is reasonable for a wee set ie top and leggings. Or a pack of 4 sleepsuits. I've got packs of 3 next ones in excellent condition and she thinks 1.50! Help!

Good luck madame :)

I'm off out for kirrinhorse's scan of doom - this is the one that tells us if we can keep her going or not :( Probably won't get any results today though.

I tried PUPD with my J Izzy and it was disastrous. It got to the point where he would start screaming as soon as I leaned over to put him in his cot. CC is working well for us but there are a number of factors to consider. I had already concentrated on getting two daytime naps in. I was at breaking point so it was a case of something had to be done, I think hitting the 300th consecutive night of disrupted sleep was too much to bear. His reflux issues had resolved so we thought the night wakings were habit only.

By changing up his bedtime we were able to get him to sleep without needing to feed or having a dummy so he doesn't have those crutches any more. Tbh I think waking in the same scene as he went to sleep makes the biggest difference. Now if he wakes at 12 or 2 he can get back to sleep with maybe one reassurance. Before it was dummy, hand holding, rocking or feeding to get him back to sleep. If he wakes after 4 I feed him and he sometimes ends up in bed with me after that of he's unsettled.

It's not perfect but it's definitely a big improvement. I hate hate hate leaving him crying but at the same time I know it's temporary and he will quickly get used to going into his cot at bedtime. There is absolutely no way I could let him cry for an hour, I think half an hour would have me in hysterics as well.

I know with some children CIO works better than CC and I suspect my J is one of them and going in to reassure him actually prolongs the process for him. But equally I can't leave him crying without going to him. That's where the timer comes in so handy because I watch it saying to myself, "I'm going in to reassure him in x minutes". I think that's a positive mindset as opposed to, "I mustn't go to him".

I really hope things will improve for you Izzy. I do think it will take some kind of sleep training and only you can decide what suits you and J. Tbh I don't think a sleep consultant would really help, you know the various options available to you, it's time to pick one and stick with it. You'll probably find a big improvement in a week.

Izzy I shall pm you my thoughts so others don't have to listen to my ramblings

Stunt thanks for the code, might have to have a little look. We've already got birthday sorted but no doubt I can find something for Christmas.

Talking of birthdays, it's dsds today. We've got her some roller skates and heavy duty body armour so guess what we'll be spending this weekend doing? And no, it's not we hope sitting in A&E with broken limbs!

FC for your horse kirrin, must be awful waiting to hear on something like that.

Pikz hope you've had a fab time, good luck with the flight home.

Lily I'm glad to hear the weeping and wailing wasn't in vain. Hope the next tooth is swift in it's emergence.

Today I have found the one positive thing about having a white fluffy rug. It hides porridge vom excellently F has been a bit sicky this morning, am presuming the after effects of cheese-gate. The little monkey is crashed out on my lap at the moment after spending a merry few hours trashing the house

AND my mouth finally feels marginally better I wasn't reduced to tears when I used the mouthwash this morning. Although I also haven't yet eaten anything...

apple how are you doing today, lovely?

Anyone seen fruit lately?

Fruit has been beating me on wwf so is still alive and kicking somewhere...!

Izzy. With pricing try looking on eBay? See what similar things are priced at. Or you could price higher keeping in mind ppl may haggle? Or if someone seems put off by price you can put it down.

Think I may borrow my brothers car. He has a van for work n car I gave him a few years ago. So I don't think he can moan about me borrowing it for a week lol

FH is at an interview today. Won't be home till 3. Very nervous of going into labour while he is in central London. And then with the car buyer coming all the way from Scotland! Just want today to hurry up and end.

Think FH may insist PIL keep phone on them now. They do when in India. They can use one. They just don't like being contactable. They never tell us where how long they will be when going out. Which is fair enough, but they are getting older n we worry when they are out longer then expected. And also it's double standards, as they ask us. But I guess it's a control thing.

Anyway. I'm in a moany mood being 38+4days.

Morning all. Back to a whingebag today apparently. Thankfully he is asleep. I am pondering over what to do him for lunch. I thought maybe cheese on toast but I don't know that that is 'enough', if he doesn't decide to eat alot of it. Or even cheese and pesto on toast. He loves that in pittas but I don't have any pittas

Daft time to sell the car gt hopefully you won't be without one for long but gosh what a time to not have one!

We have a bath seat here too. Mum reckons he doesn't need it but it keeps him safe and in one place so he's still using it for now. Most days are full of tantrums because he can't have something dangerous and battles to change his nappy and food throwing so I don't want an argument at bath time too!

Thanks for the discount tips eliza and stunt, stunt it's great j is sleeping alot better than he was :)

Hope the scan gives back the results you want kirrin

izzy I wish I had a suggestion lovely :( bless you :( I can't begin to imagine how tough it is for you all

Wondering how vq is... Lots of people are quiet ATM but I expect everyone is pretty busy! I am sure e will wake from his nap any minute so I'd better go and search for moose thing for his lunch. I'm back to not eating again because I feel sick most of the time or just don't feel it's worth cooking something for me, so I don't really want to do something massive just for e for lunch. Dp gets up later and will have something like crumpets or whatnot until tea so I don't have to worry about him. Meh.

Morning all. Having a manic housework and decluttering day here. Loving the me time

Kirrin good luck to kirrinhoss!

Kyz I would luff cheese and toast for lunch. Maybe offer a fruit pot and some halved cherry tomatoes with it?

Pennie hope you're settling in well. Please find out where your closest typhoon shelter is as that super typhoon headed your way looks a real badass!

Izzy I'd move his cot into your room closeish to your side of the bed - I agree going from cosleeping to a cot in his own room is too big a jump. We did bedside crib, to cot in our room to cot in his own room and that worked well. Did you do anything different between night one and two? I know PUPD would drive J demented, and agree with Stunt that CC is easier for us as it makes us feel better but the reassurance checks can often wind up the baby - I felt J was raging that he could see me but I wasn't picking him up. Right if it were us I'd stick with bedtime routine. Cancel all commitments for the foreseeable that could interfere with it - there needs to be 1-2 weeks minimum of consistency. I'd aim to have him in the cot in your room by 10 at the latest and if he goes in OK, go to sleep in your bed at the same time (make sure you're in your PJs and ready to go just in case). If not maybe try the shush pat thing from the No Cry Sleep solution to get him to settle in the cot and if he wakes up unsettled have a time in your head you're happy to bring him into your bed and stick to it. I'm sure CC or CIO would maybe be worth trying again in a few weeks.

Today I'm thankful for calpol and the 10 hours we all got and badly needed (OK with a 40 min wake up in the middle) I feel ready for a weekend away walking and then potentially a tough week of settling in a howling puppy, with an elderly cat and a teething bear.

I just took F out for a walk with her on my back for the first time. We picked blackberries, sniffed the country smells and looked for birds in the woods. I think she liked it, if her enthusiastic back-patting was anything to go by

Awwwww wee pigly! Often when I'm kneeling on the floor cleaning or folding washing J will scoot up and pat my back. Must try a back carry this weekend!

Wooo second day in a row he's gone to nap in the cot!

J luffs being on my back. He can make mummy make all kinds of funny noises with a bit of hair-pulling.

Ha ha yes LO like s to pull my hair when she is on my back too. When we go for dog walks together she goes in a back carrying thing. Took her a while to get used to it..

pig that sounds idyllic. Have never carried O on my person at all although I bet he would love it.

Had another non-date with non-date guy last night. We watched Romeo & Juliet and I lay on his lap. Was nice. I think I fell asleep on him at one point. I didn't want him to leave, which I told him. When he got home he text me saying that he hadn't wanted to leave either. Progress perhaps. I luffs likes him very much.

izzy I wish I knew what to advise you . But FWIW I think consistency is the key. Whatever plan you go with, clear your diary for two weeks and dedicate your time to it. I always favour a softly softly approach but I completely understand that you must be at absolute breaking point. Do you have a small goal in mind? Perhaps him sleeping a 3 hour stretch? A smaller aim like this might seem more achievable than comparing him to babies who sleep through? Tell me to fuck off if you want

LO just bit his tongue... Screaming and blood :(

pennie just seen a weather warning for HK - stay safe xx

Pennie stay safe

Izzy yy to consistent. R is Mr Flexible during the day but a howling mess if he's not home for tea at 5!

We went to the nearest city today to meet a friend, i went splat in JLewis with him on my back. I now have a hurty knee. Hot water bottle and once he's down i think!

Ouch!