November 2012 - Next stage car seats and yet more teething

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Thanks VQ - got that nobbing song in my head now....dum dum du du dum.....waddle waddle

Thanks for all the offers of body parts guys! If only it was that simple. I had build up before, and complan, but it didn't help. Shall just eat like a big fat big and add cheese to everything.

Lily how strange! I kind of understand the vitamin D thing, as we slather our babies in sun cream, so they don't often get enough direct sunlight on their skin. 10 minutes a day is what they (and we) need.

Det well done you. And nice one O - what a lie in!

I had computer training today (yawn) BUT found myself in a room with 5 paediatric consultants . I probably pissed them right off asked them a few Qs about CMPI . They were very helpful though! I got a fairly standard sort of letter a few months back where they said to challenge with regular formula in 3 months which I have obviously ignored. They were quite shocked she is on Nutramigen AA, and intolerant of soya too, as apparently the number of babies who are this intolerant is quite low. Anyhoo. Was nice for me to have a chat!

SIL came over yesterday, she was saying that the wife of a colleague is struggling big time with their 12 month old. He has multiple intolerances, and is on Pepti Jnr, but still only sleeping for 2 hour stretches at night, won't be put down, has dreadful wind/runs. The husband has slept on the sofa for the past year, and the mum is on her knees/gaunt/exhausted. I felt dreadful for them, as they have obviously been told numerous things. The latest was to feed him gluten (which he has obvious problems with) so they can check his blood for coeliac (test would be negative if he had excluded it) - but if he has gluten he screams and is clearly in agony. They are so confused . I told SIL to give them my number but not sure if she will ring. I feel sorry for her that she doesn't have the quiche wisdom behind her.

Poor baby. He's only been down an hour and already up crying. Am preparing myself for a bad night. Why does it have to happen when I am not at home?

In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that SIL lives in Somerset, and the baby is 12 months not 8, I would have wondered if she knew izzy.

Pass fab news re: CM - has partially restored my faith in them.

Scary choking chat. I too have seen a wee one die from choking on sausage that his grandma gave him. Mercifully, these things are relatively rare, so I have to try to push them from my mind. F often gags on things, tonight was no exception, but if she can cough, then she is getting enough air in to expel air in the form of a cough. I have to keep telling myself that....Only once she has gone a bit purple, then done an epic vom whilst I soiled my pants

Oh BP that poor Granny she must have blamed herself forever for that and poor you - to see a wee one die must be the worst thing ever. Just reading that made me hug my snoring bear closer. So sad

We went to a petshow at a nearby village festival today. Hilarious. Jonas did much stroking / attempted fur pulling and giggling. He also got licked clean of rice cake by an overenthusiastic beagle then it was all too much for him and he feel asleep in my arms, in the crowded park, right next to the tannoy blaring out. I could also have kidnapped an amazing ragdoll cat called Boris who was just the bollocks. He owned the show and wasn't flustered by the 50 or so dogs around him. He just mooched along on a lead. Brilliant.

Pass yey on CM time!

Pikz xx

Eek Christmas chat I luffs Christmas. This year will be an odd one but I am still excited.

Thanks pennie when I register with my new gp I will ask about that.

Sorry to read of of poor J choking/gagging vq.

kyz That's a better name change I called you that anyway so very easy for me to remember.

pass Glad all went well at the cm.

bplp Yay for a peaceful hour and reading.

Can't believe there's xmas chat already! I absolutley love xmas but I'll get summer out of the way before I start thinking about birthdays and christmas! DD1 is an Jan baby so it all comes at once!

So E has had the tube out since Saturday pm. We're having out ups and downs. Eating is going really well on the whole so no complaints on that front. But milk is another matter. She takes it from the cup in the mornings. No interest any other time of the day. So the other night I tried a bottle before bed and low and behold she downed the whole thing. So last I did the same and again she took it no problem. But tonight, well she didn't want it anywhere near her. I just can't get my head round her. She can do it, and seems like she gives things a go twice but then rules them out. I'm still trying to bf but my supply is dwindling so much there isn't enough to keep her going. Ahhhh. Still I guess the plan was never to get her to take a bottle. She just got my hopes up a bit. During the day it's fine, she doesn't need milk. It's the bed time milk that gets me. I don't know how to do a soothing bed time routine without the milk. We do bath, story etc but it's like there's a bit missing. I stick her on the boob and she gets some but then seems to get frustrated that there isn't as much as she wants and starts kicking her legs and burying her face. I've now finally got similic on prescription so I guess that will help with her calorie in tact. Sorry that was such a rant. It wasn't meant to be. There are huge positives in that she seems to be thriving still without the tube. Will find out on the next dietician appt if she's mananged to sustain her weight but at the moment the signs are good.

My Dsis is coming for dinner tomorrow so trying to think of things I wanted to eat once I wasn't pregnant anymore. I know she wan'ts a rare steak but I don't think steak tastes as good at home as it does in proper restaurants but that might be just because I can't cook them as good.

This has taken me forever to type so there's probably lots of crossed posts.....will go and catch up!

eliza it must be endlessly frustrating and worrying. I have no suggestions but I can completely understand your worry and confusion.

BP you were in my head the whole time. When p fell over, bumped her head and needed a cuddle while we were there she was all cooried in sort of whimpering. Then the CM who had been looking at and talking to me started to laugh - p was tilting her head and peekabooing with her through my arm - all smiles and giggles. She obviously feels happy and comfortable. Thank fuck.

Eliza did they ever find a reason for why E struggled with her weight gain? Sorry if you have said before and I've missed it. Will have everything crossed for you both that she has maintained her weight though.

Evening :)

s'ok vq :) It's about the only useful thing i've got to contribute lol!

sorry sophia cross posted before, i bet you're very nervous and excited all at once!

Christmas?! I can barely plan/see the way clear to August lol... oh wait... that's soon, isn't it? I do love christmas though :)

oh bplp that sounds a very difficult time of it your SIL's colleague and her family are going through. I do hope she gets in touch with you. And omg re: the sausage. Someone I know but can't mention properly gives her LO things like sausage and grapes as they are and it scares me to death to watch her eat them. She's one, but has been eating sausage like we do and grapes the same since about 7 months old. I bet that granny was beside herself and it can't have been nice for you at all - i'd really struggle with seeing something like that :(

yw sounds like a fun day! Ragdolls are amazing, I have 3 because i am greedy and love them to death and they are brilliant. Very docile and E adores them.

Glad you like this NC Eliza I figured most people call me this anyway and it's much less obvious because the old one was something everyone calls me as a nickname so it's pretty much my name depending on who you talk to! I bet that's pretty frustrating with E and the milk but it's fab that you're seeing so many positives in how she's going with the tube out too :) I have everything crossed that she maintains her weight/gains some by your next appt. A cup for milk isn't really suitable at night is it? I am guessing you've tried different sized teats/different shapes/bottles etc? Didn't want to suggest such a thing as i'm sure you've tried lots of different things! Anyway I hope she comes round.

Is it just me or is madame not about? Am i being daft and she's been on and i've gone blank or something?

Bet this is cross posted with lots of others

Oh forgot to say, mega whingy day from e, and still runny complete with a whole raisin so going to ring the doctors tomorrow

VQ I ordered a couple of things, waiting for them to arrive!

I can't wait for christmas! Love it! Although I will be working this year :( I've ordered O's first present - although I think this might be for his birthday. I can't decide! I had a voucher so paid £30! Fisher Price Ballapaloosa!

I bought him a Fisher Price sit to stand Giraffe today. It's similar to something DS1 had when he was little - and was a firm favourite! So far O is loving it, but just for the balls on top! He's not grasped the concept of putting the balls in the hole to make them roll down the chute yet!

I'm keeping an eye on eBay for some wooden blocks and toys for him too.

And fuck off with the grapes you buggers .

Oh, also I got a black out blind for O's room tonight. It's going up tomorrow. Fingers firmly crossed that this might help cut that bloody night feed out which I am pretty sure he doesn't actually need...

Oh, the tree. It's going in the baby jail. Only the other night I sat up and shouted FUCK! DP was like, what's up! I said. Three words. Oscar, Christmas, tree. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! The thought makes me want to cry!

The choking thing is scary. Hope DH has got over it now VQ.

I thought O was a bit quiet last night. He was hiding under the table with the dog. The dog had been given a carrot to eat. O was sat there eating a pre-dog chewed carrot. I nearly vommed at the thought! Had to fish it out his mouth without it going down his throat. I was quite worried as raw carrot is just too tough for him yet. And it was perfect throat blocking size. Fecking dog. Fecking baby! She'd been given the carrot in the kitchen but ran off with it!

Sophia you'll be fine! Completely normal to feel nervous. I'm . I'd love to be in your position right now .

I just literally LOL'd at the dog-Oscar-carrot incident det

The quiche is at its most awesome best tonight xx

I think I only have one expression and one emotion these days. Exasperation.

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

Nope, bplp there has never been a medical diagnosis as to why she struggled to put on weight. On all her notes it says bottle aversion. But millions of women successfully ebf their babies without the need for bottles. In fact I did it with DD1 for the first 3 months at least and only switched to mixed feeding through choice rather than need. The silent reflux has been marked down as the reason to the bottle aversion but that's been under control with meds for so long now that can't be an issue (although I guess as it's silent it could rear it's head again but she is showing no signs of reflux pain). And yes kyz pretty much every teat/bottle has been tried. And now I'm racking up a nice collection of cups! She has 2 tt ones (very hit and miss) a doidy one and flexible cup which are the ones we've had most success with and I've recently added an oxo training cup to the mix which is proving to have mixed results so far. And yes pass you've hit the nail on the head. It is confusing as she has proved time and time again she can drink from any of these impliments. She just chooses not too! And we've tried ebm, water, various types of juice so it's not that she just unlikes the formula offered. Ah I don't know, I'm going round in circles. I don't want to go back to the worrying stage (well I do worry anyway but the worrying that turns into angst iyswim). I'm done with that. I'll just be thankful she does actually eat. She's a contrary little fucker

Wow detective I've never seen that beofre. Looks great, but huge. Why are all the fun toys at this age so big?! Mind you I guess E won't be in the jumperoo by then so one big plastic toy will just get replaced by another.

vq that must have been terrifying. I work on the round stuff is chokeable: grapes, round berries, maltesers (for dd1) anything tube like. Anything that chould get stuck in the tube without letting anything pass iyswim. Because if something is soft, or hard but wonky, like an accidental bit of toy some air at least would get past, surely. Enough to get help or dislodge. I remember once dislodging something from DD1 when she was this age - by doing a heimlich type manoeuvre on her, because of what I had seen in films. Took her to the paed the next day, because I had since googled and seen what I did could have broken ribs etc. The paed said, nothing was broken, and, anyway, a cracked rib is far better than choking but any prolonged pain, ie more tha a few minutes and not çalmed by cuddles or calpol should be seen quicker. I hope DH is ok, I imagine it was scary for him.

Am I the only one not buying toys for LO? I just find she is ok examining the remote, or DD1's old toys, which are all broken. She has lots of books, which she eats, and the dog is fascinating. She has time in her jail, time on my knee and time in her walker thing. When she gets bored I dance or make DD1 dance or give her a crust of bread which is suckable but apparently fascinating.

sophia I would be scared but excited in your position. When I was 18 I moved to France. Moved back to the UK at 20, back to Paris at 22, and became an French-Luxembourgish worker 7 years later. I'm a bit but very excited on your behalf. I've got itchy feet now but we have to stay here for financial reasons a few more years. Next stop, an island. Enjoy the culture shock, albeit a minor one.

I'd love to talk about grapes but welnly sell lemonade here.

Christmas tree. LO will have no choice but to learn the meaning of the word no. End of. DD1 managed it at 9 months; am setting similar standards for dd2 and yes I may well be disapointed

kyz am v happy with your latest name, twas what i called you anyway.

Also missing gazelle I hope she isn't working too hard?

Glad izzy is Ok. Maybe we could offer her a day when we do a food and sleep amnesty? To be planned in advance? So that she could come and have a rant without having to read our food an sleep issues?

detective I am massively pissed off onyour behalf.

And on mine.

bollocks. I just wrote a long post and lost it. I shall try and remember fat chance

MM I think you've done the right thing. You did invite her. She declined. What's her problem?

and stunt WHy on earth would anyone be against you doing an OU degree?!

PR Your DD1 sounds adorable :)

bplp Thats awful about the sausage. And the poor Granny :( I don't know how you deal with things like that. I can't even think about it without getting a bit panicky.

Eliza It must be frustrating not knowing what the deal is with E, but it sounds like she's doing well.

I just phoned up for DD1's blood test results, expecting them to say all was well, but instead they wanted me to make an appointment. They did say it wasn't urgent, but they've obviously found something wrong so now I'm worrying. The appointment is on Friday so not toooo long to wait I guess.

Lol det

Yep kyz better get him checked out, hopefully he is ok but if his nappies are sloppy then something isn't quite right.

Now I never say this but tonight O is being an absolute PITA. He was asleep just before 7 but then woke up just before 8 and has screamed his head off ever since. First port of call teething gel, no. I took him downstairs with me and he was ok for 20 mins started whinging He has a runny nose so I thought maybe he us moving down with another cold and feels stuffed up so calpol. No luck. Put him to bed lay next to him. Whinged. Picked him up, happy. Brought him into bed with me happy but messing around. Given him some water and Have put him back in bed. Is shouting. But I don't know what else to do. He has not had any milk at night for about 8 weeks so I really don't think it is that.

PR no toys here - stingy mummy. Plus she usually just wants to be carried around anyway...

O adores toys. More the better as far as he is concerned.

He gets very easily bored, a toy will hold his attention for a few minutes. If there isn't another toy near by he will then start going for everything he shouldn't be more than he already does!. He spends a lot of time playing. Most of his wake time at home is either playing or eating.

Ball chasing is his current favourite activity. He likes to chase different types of balls! Funny boy!

I think if he had a toddler sibling, he would be more happily entertained!

We have masses of toys now. I see them as an investment though, properly looked after, they will go through 2 children, and then get sold on hopefully.

I am lucky to have a large living/dining room. All the toys are down here. Jumperoo is very close to being put away. But it is useful when we hoover so not sure whether to keep it out another month or so!

eliza I bet you anything that in a few years you'll be on this thread telling us about the fact LO is wanting oysters, and some exotic cheese or something or other because she has become some kind of food uber-genius taster :o

She'll be tasting your spag bol and saying, yes, it would be nicer with a glas of chablis, but as I am 8, I know I have to wait

Or

Your sôle marinée is divine, but would be lovely with a glass of wine

Or

Fish and chips? Without the freaking peas? Are you taking the piss?

I'm trying and failing to be funny but, she'll get there, she'll eat and be fussy or not, but no-one will be able to deny that you have done and gone beyond your best for her. I am so chuffed that her tube is gone.

I went to the gastro enterologist today. He's a love. Chief of the gastro ent but saw me at my worst a few years ago, spewing and shiting blood like nothing on earth. We hadn't seen each other for a couple of years, s e my post op check. Walked into the room: oh, I remember you. And I relived the horrendous experience of the post DD1 few weeks. I have to go back in September for a gastroscopy under GA. I said, mais non, do what you have to do, I'm used to gastroscopies with no sedation. But he wants to scope and biopsy and all kinds of boring stuff. Very dull, but has to be done. I the meantime he says go ahead on the xanax, ppis and sleeping pills.

Ok then. Will give them all a go at the weekend.

Kyz perfect name and mahoosive ragdoll envy. They are too cool for school.

PR I've lived in HK, Finland, South Africa and all over the UK and have constant wanderlust. I blame being born in the year of the horse.

Not caught up but wanted to give Kirrin a slightly pished (((hug))) about the blood results. If there is something of concern at least they know about it so they can hopefully treat it. Cold comfort I know.

What was the website vq and det? I'm being thick but can't find it, i've trawled through the fred but nope am blind ta much!

Also det both the giraffe and the ballapalooza thingies are AMAZING! E loves the fisher price roll about balls or whatever they're called and has some weirdy gumball machine that he enjoys.

Is it terrible of me to buy some toys from a car boot sale? I've dettol'd/steam cleaned them to death but snidey comments from certain persons make me feel a bit crappy for getting them :(

I had to laugh det at the dog carrot incident! Good job you noticed though!

She will get there eliza :) I had to repeat that several times this morning at breakfast time, and every other fucking breakfast time!! I really wish i knew what to do with breakfast but i am just grateful he does as well as he does and i don't want to do brekkie before bottle because he's dropped right down to 20-22oz now so am wary of changing anything else in case he stops taking enough milk

kirrin I hope dd1 is ok, not long at all now till friday, I can imagine it'll drag for you though :(

sounds like no fun sophia erm...anything like a cot mobile/music to distract him/chill him out?