The 5th Gemini luxury bus - the one with babies!

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As we have all our gorgeous babies now, welcome aboad the 5th Gemini bus.

Drinks and previously banned foods supplied in bulk, Car seats installed, slings and prams at the ready, as we head into parenthood, and all the excitement, and sleepless nights our little ones will bring along the way.

Kitty ~ yes he took a dummy in the first couple of weeks and a bottle. Now he refuses. I've tried giving it to him at all times of the day and DH has tried too. He just yells. Now he is happily bf that's all he wants. I shouldn't really moan because I'd rather it this way, I just know how much easier it would be if he occasionally excepted both. But perhaps it wouldn't be easy to wean him off them so maybe it's better this way. Regarding the sleeping I either put him down when he's asleep on me or I rock him to sleep. I know that's not what the book recommends but I'm not ready to hear him scream for an hour. Especially as his reflux is bad in the evenings still I should have just rocked longer last night...my arms felt like they were going to drop lol

Lib ~ sounds like you had a lovely night. Baby pear would never sleep through that in a million years. You must have a very easy going babe! Also brilliant that you've got N taking a bottle. My advice is don't stop the 1 bottle EVER!!

pear ignore the book, the babies never read them anyway. if rocking suits you then rock. And IMO a baby the age of baby pear shouldn't ever be left to cry for an hour.

I've just abandoned ds with DH so I can a) have a break and b) do a shop. Big mistake since boobs hurt and are leaking.

DH is so frustrating. He moans because the boy "doesn't like him" but won't do anything to bond with him.

No a baby should never be left to cry for an hour and I or the book wouldn't recommend that, you will be better off in the long run pear that he doesn't have a dummy, they can become extremely attached so while it has its uses early on its one of those double edged swords where you may be glad he rejected it later down the line! The bottle is more of a pain as its good to have that option but even with the best made plans it doesn't always follow, dd1 was a dream, always had whatever we gave her no fuss dd2 has always had 1bottle a day since 2wks old but is starting to reject it now
With dd1 I always put her down asleep as more then anything I usually couldn't wake her and why make life harder on yourself, when she had colic I would just keep picking her up and rubing until she brought up the wind then put her straight back down again if she cryed I'd do the same, leave it a minute go in pick her up sooth and put down again, it was hard at times as I knew life would be easier to let her sleep on me at that minute but long term I didn't want to have made a rod for my own back as I knew I wasn't prepared to keep doing that ( its a personal thing though in the way some women like/want to co sleep, it's just not my preference) dd2 has always been pretty good so will go down awake and just go to sleep, tbh I find it easier putting her down as when I hold her it's like she can't get past the smell of milk and just keeps flinging herself around trying to find it, I know the book recommends you putting them down when they are awake or atleast semi aware so that they don't wake up and freak that they are not where you left them I.e snuggled up with mum but if that's what works best for you just do it, if you really want him to get used to going down it might be a case of having to keep picking him up to let him know your there but putting him down again to show him that although your their to sooth etc your not there as a pillow! It would probably take alot of pereserverence though, I don't mean wks but it could take days and probably hours at a time doing it. It just depends whether you are doing hours of what you are doing allready iyswim, if it was me and that's just me not necesarily the right way if I could get away with laying him down still asleep I would, if he woke I'd just keep trying the sooth and put down Untill he realised, do what feels right for you though.
Frus my dh is the same or if she does anything such as whimper or suck his arm she just wants food and gets handed straight back! He is actually able to sooth her when she's tired alot better then me though and she will sleep on him no trouble!

Lib that was a lovely post, little blackbird
Well it's lots cooler today, lets hope we are all in for a good night

And their little rooting mouths, like a baby bird waiting to be fed.

So glad that things are going better for you Lib! They are just little heartbreakers aren't they?

God, I hate the weekends. The boys always act up with Dh and he just shouts at them, which provokes them even more, which ends up with them just getting shoved in their bedrooms and Dh being a miserable asshole to be around. He keeps saying "we have to get them out early in the mornings" so I get me and M ready at 8 am, get the boys ready and fed, and then we are waiting for Dh to get off the computer, take a shower, put clothes on, eat something, take a 20 minute poo, then he decides to do some dishes, then he calls his sister.... DRIVES ME MAD every single weekend. Then 1 pm finally rolls around and the boys are super naughty because we're waiting around with all of their pent-up energy that was supposed to be expended about 3 hrs prior, it's their normal downtime period during the week, and then we finally get out of the house during the hottest part of the day and then we have a crabby hot and sweaty baby or Dh just calls the whole thing off and storms off to our bedroom and slams the door leaving me with 3 crabby kids to feed and entertain. .

Sorry, looks like my ranting has scared every off

Weird. I posted at 3am but it never appeared!

Bring I was just in bed asleep, you didn't scare us off!
It sounds really frustrating and I totally know where your coming from, my dh does the 30 minute poo! Wtf if we have to shit in 3 minutes to get back to the kids why do they think they are entitled to sit about and read etc
I also totally get that when they strop they can just walk out or hide, they never think what's going to happen with the kids or see it as their responsibility too, what would they do if we stormed out?!?
Your totally justified being peed off I can imagine how 2 pent up kids would be waiting to go out and it wasn't fair of him at all!
I've had a shit night,dh on nights, dd1woke up at 2 saying shed spilt a drink, there was only a spot of water on her bed so I brushed it away and made her go back to sleep, dd2 woke at 4, fed but then took 15mins to settle, dd1 then woke up the very minute she slept 4:45 and I had to go in again tell her it was night time and to go to bed, then sensor alarm went off, up again! Then dd1 woke again now 5:30, went in and told her it was night she kept getting up so I said I'd get her her milk but she had to go back to sleep, she shouts and crys 15mins later, she's been sick everywhere!
Don't know if she's ill or just a weird random sick incident as she's been asking for more milk, her breckie and is totally full of beans, I feel like shit

Oh kitty Poor you

Bring ~ I posted a long sympathy message at 3am...can't remember what I wrote now but it was something on the lines of ...that sounds like an extremely hard going day! Sometimes are men act like an extra child so you must have felt like you had 4 children to deal with...eek!

given to all who need it.

It seems everyone in my household was awake at 4am. Ugh.
And despite the pretty inpressive electrical storm last night, (fork lightning, hardly any thunder, and a short spell of huuuuuge rain drops, ) and now it looks like another hot clammy day.

Anyone got any tips on how to get DS2 to stop clamping? He does it to my finger too so I'm not convinced it's just to slow the flow, it seems to be more of a 'I'm not sucking right now but this is still mine & I'm not letting go' thing! He has nasty hard little gums now & seems to spit most of the breast out so he can chomp just on my nipple. It hurts! I've been trying to take him off when he does it so he'd hopefully take the hint eventually but by the time he's clamped down it's really tricky to gently get my finger in to break the latch & as soon as he realises what I'm doing he clamps down harder & shakes his head like a little terrier!
We could also do with ideas on how to get him to open his mouth wider. He can do it, he's just got lazy & nose-to-nipple just results in him attempting to latch on to my breast below the nipple! That hurts too!
Maybe I'll start using the shields again. That'll learn him! I only had to use them once last time he was making me sore before he started behaving himself!

Push him quickly into your breast agnu it goes against everything you want to do, but will cause him to open his mouth to take a breath.

Thanks guys. I was so ready for the weekend to be done and just have the largest and most moody child to go back to work!

Yes, yes, to what frus said. It's the same thing for when they're teething, you just gotta associate a negative result to their behavior for them to understand that it's not a good thing (ie, not being able to breathe ). Also just talk to him (sounds flowery and hippy, I know) but just say that it's hurting you and that he needs to try the latch again and praise him for when he's done well. If he's clamping down a lot, I don't know what you have available in your area, but a chiropractor or craniosacral therapist would work wonders as they often clench their jaws in a way to release pressure in their cranial bones or jaws and having someone help to put the bones back into the proper location helps tremendously.

kitty you poor thing! Kids puking in the middle of the night with a Dh who is useless is the worst thing to deal with! I'm sorry you didn't get much sleep last night. I hope today can be semi-restful for you (or that you at least get a break when your Dh gets home!).

Off to wear out the kids. Watch people at the park, the trumpet kids are coming

I have a sleeping baby hanging off my boob.

Wow, this girl has a funky pattern today. She was awake and alert for 3 hrs this morning at the park and now she's been sleeping for 3 hrs straight! I hope she at least sleeps tonight!

Thanks bring
Dh on hand tonight although convieniently he felt he would be too tired to offer to do a night for me tonight and wouldn't wake as he'd be in a deep sleep ( not that I'm that tired ofcourse ) I'm sure m will be fine tonight, my dd2 quite often does 3 he chunk sleeps like between 1-4 and has been alert for the same periods, she will only sleep that long in her cot though. This child has a real aversion to the car seat and pram
Oh and bottle rejection is still going strong

Kitty ~ I have that problem too! Baby pear will only sleep long periods in his crib. Everywhere else (car seat, pram, swing & us) is not his sleep preference! We must be thankful that they sleep in their beds. Much much better this way round isn't it!?

I know pear we are blessed they sleep well in their cribs,dd1 will only do a big sleep 2-3grs in her bed and will only sleep 40-50 mins in a car seat so I do try and have them home for a sleep in the day but it would be good if shed sleep in her pram too as I like to go out alot and yesterday she was getting really over tired, ah well I'm sure we will come up with our own pattern, I was allowed to just have dd2 last night so although I had a wake up at 4:30 she's slept in till 8:10! I feel great for it and loved hearing the rain last night

My baby was a cluster feeding monster last night. From 4 till 6.30 she was on the boob. In the end I took her to bed, fed her again, she wouldn't drift off to sleep so I lay down with her, whereupon she slept for 6 hours!!

She sounds like the opposite of your babies, will drift off in car seat or sling but not in her bed nest. She gets proper grumpy if left alone for any length of time while awake, so I just keep her with me, Rod for my own back, I know! I've been keeping up giving her one bottle of expressed milk though so I'm hoping she carries on enjoying that.

Yesterday I got her feet cast so I'll have a little bronze model of how cute they are!

I have a little boy who like to start grumbling at 5am. Figured out he just wants a different angle of boob.

Is it too early to be looking at childcare for when I go back to work? it's on the same site that I work, and popular

Ds is the same a yours lib will sleep anywhere-- except his cot unless its mov, but needs constant company when awake.