Still brooking no argument for sleep, glorious sleep!

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This will be the thread where all brooking babies learn to self settle and sleep through the night (the real version, not that 5hr at a time thing).

oh trix lovely sweeties twins are 6 weeks. it does get easier. I have cried alongside s before when I couldn't figure it out and was knackered. don't worry about dressing or housework. just getting through the day you've done well. xxx

BTW taking him put in the pram is a surefire way to make him sleep. doesn't matter just put a coat over your PJs.

if he's fed, winded, clean nappy he'll just be tired. but in fact at the start I would assume hunger.

I should have taken him out. dh suggested that. next time I will just throw on a big coat and push him round the block.

you also feel better for fresh air. just take it a day at a time. the early days are hard work.

first night I got s off to sleep and went downstairs with dh tonight

Trix, it gets easier. I too would recommend going out - I made sure I went out every day as it made me feel sane. That, and a shower and getting dressed in the morning (shower with DD in a bouncy chair or cot with mobile if DH wasn't around). If I did those two things I stayed sane and happy! Wish I could be a pyjamas all day person. Also, have you got a sling? DD was hideous to settle, but the sling always worked - and left me hands free to drink tea/eat biscuits etc!

Keep, yes and no. She's always been shocking at napping. She's dropped them now, but I used to have to sling her or bounce her on my knee to get her down (or buggy in the last couple of months, but didn't work to start with!). I'm sure your DD won't be as fussy as mine though.

Sweetie, she's been saying bits and bobs for the last 6 months or so, but is currently going through a bit of a language explosion, with several new words a day. Sorry to hear about the sight problems and especially the anxiety. Make sure you fight for what you want - it's all too easy for them to give anti depressants to people who don't necessarily want them.

how old is she now musical?

good luck for today trix and hope your night was OK. is your mum around today? even a trip yo the post office is good for sanity. how are you physically after the birth?

Trix I agree it really helps to go for a walk. I try to get a shower before twins wake up. I know they are safe in their cot if they are grumbling. it makes you feel more human. Give it a go and see how you get on.

Keep well done for getting s to settle on her own.

horrendous night here. think e may have reflux as she has started sicking up her feeds. she had to be fully charged twice yesterday. she was also sick all over our bed when I was swaddling her to put her down to sleep. so we had to change the duvet before we could go to bed. then she was really unsettled all night. I am shattered now & poor dh must be the same at work.

sweetie s sometimes sicks if she's a bit coldy or unwell in any way. it doesn't take much to make a baby vom... hope it's not reflux! try holding her upright for 20 mins x

am showered and dressed! hmmm think I have a poo to sort out back later

Yours or N's

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my friend from nct came round for a bit. N spent most of the time whinging and crying. he had a short nap long enough for me to make tea and drink half of it. he's taken just over an hour over his bottle not had as much as usual but has sicked a bit up and fallen asleep. can't believe the time already. I'm starving haven't managed to eat yet today. was planning on pushing him round the block but I'm not sure now.

I remember those early days well, I'm dreading doing it over again with an 18mo too! I used to try and get up and showered before DH left for work - even if I then went back to bed fully clothed! I also found wearing a dressing gown all day was great. I could hold T in the standard position in one arm, but forge dressing gown belt up under him, with him half tucked it (does that make any sense?) took some of the weight off my arm and made me feel he was held safer, so I could stretch out a hand to hold toast still while I buttered it :)
I also basically didn't get out at all for the first 3 weeks, and after that I just made a point of walking to the shops for chocolate before DH got home, so I could say we'd been out.

trix go out if you can even just for chocolate. it'll feel like an achievement. I don't know about ff as bf but maybe give smaller more frequent bottles. I think his stomach is size of ping pong ball.

I know what you mean re days going by...

I got dh to make me a sarnie before he went. you must eat! how old is he? x

so we are on four naps a day. the first on me is easy. the second usually an hour in the pram while I listen to a women's hour podcast. the third usually out somewhere. the fourth, like now, is hardest but I have started putting her in the sling. a whole back I tried to get her in the cot but she won't settle herself and if I put her down asleep she doesn't last long and ends up exhausted. so for now I'm going with it.

in the last 3 weeks, so since 8 weeks, she will happily spend 30 mins looking at her cot mobile or in baby gym. makes a massive difference to me. so hang in there. I am finding bit much easier.

nights - bed at 8ish (self settling usually) and wake ups at present 12.30, 3.30, 6.30. though we have had a few 5/6 hour stretches. so it's not brilliant for her age but could be worse, and as she goes off again quite fast I'm not too worried for now, just a bit of the better sleeping babies. but she is so gorgeous, engaging and happy in the day

so basically, it does get easier. babies are more easily entertained, sleep and feed better. and you become more confident and less shattered

trix pm me your number if you want to chat x

I made it out for a walk, just around the block and we probably weren't gone for much more than 10min but still we went out
although he will sleep for 5hours or a little more sometimes he seems to have gone back to 4hours. originally I was setting an alarm every 4 hours in the night sometimes he'd have began crying for his bottle but not always, I'd get him up anyway. so that's another change as I now leave him till he cries as well as the ready made and powdered probably being a different temperature and using different bottles. I chop and change depending on what's easier for me at the time . so I need to stick to one thing at a time to figure put what's up setting him. so first I'm trying the ready made formula tipped into his tommy tippy bottles. I only realized earlier though that some times that can be quite cold. as they say ready to drink I've just given them as they are so depending on where I've kept them and how cold the house is I guess they vary in temperature.

I think I may have to try setting my self an alarm for around 7 when I know N will be sleeping so I can get showered dressed and hopefully have breakfast. I considered stacks idea but dh leaves at 5.30. I was thinking of getting ready at 6ish this morning when N had gone to sleep after his feed and going back to bed myself but I changed my mind. I think he will want feeding at 9ish in the morning so I will make an effort to at least have a shower before then.

try putting him in the shower room in bouncy chair? he'll prob like the noise.

and well done for getting out! baby steps.

Bouncy chair saved me many times :) well done leaving the house with him. Little bit at a time, your confidence will soon be there.

Keep sounds like you and S are getting along really well :):)

Trix Well done for getting out. Just take things a step at a time. I set an alarm to get up and ready before the twins wake too. Sometimes I manage to have breakfast and sometime even get some bottles sterilised other times not.
We don't wake twins in the night to feed either but we do in the day to keep them in a bit of a routine for feeds. We give them the milk at different temperatures too. Sometimes straight from the bottle and sometimes warmed up from the fridge. We have also started to introduce powder milk in the day too. They have whatever we give them, obviously greedy monkeys.

Keep I am not sure when to introduce a more structured nap routine. Currently they just sleep when they need to usually after feeds and when we are travelling either in car or in pram. When did you start with S?
Also when did you start putting her upstairs in the evening? Twins are in their travel cot in the living room with us until we all go to bed about 10ish. We start to feed them at 9.30 then all go to bed.

We currently feed at 9.30am, 13.30, 17.30, 21.30, 1.30 & 5.30 so nap sure when to fit naps in around these feeds. It varies how much they have at each feed, usually between 100ml & 140ml

Trix feel free to ask away, I am no expert but I can tell you what I do. It is all about getting more confident and doing when is right for you and N.

sweetie we don't have a routine. basically she can only be awake 75-90 mins without getting grumpy, so I have to make her nap. times of naps and lengths vary hugely, it just works out usually as four a day. it's only in about the last 10 days I've been putting her down upstairs. previously dh kept her down with him while I slept, till the next feed.

in the day I just feed whenever, though loosely doing baby whisperer sleep eat play. you sound like you have a great routine, I think bf is harder in that way

basically it's usually 1 hour nap, 10 mins feed, 1 hour ish play. repeat repeat repeat I don't know how I'd fit that around 4 hour daytime feeds, unless they sleep longer. I've read by 5m they might be OK awake for 2 hours.

N slept for 5hours last night I woke him to feed as dh was worried because although he slept for 5 hours it had taken a little while to settle him so it had been longer than that since he'd last been fed. I am up and dressed again. I have been giving him ready made milk but in the tommy tippy bottles and he's been much better. I think I will continue doing that until tomorrow when I will give him one powdered formula and see what happens.
its wet and horrible here so I doubt we will go out. but we do need to pop to mothercare when dh gets home so we will have left the house at least.

well done trix can I ask who told you to wake him? does he ask for bottles in the day? so long as he is getting the recommended amount in 24 hours why not leave him to sleep? (and you!)