November 2012 - The new quiche sleepy dust crop-sprayer plane seems to be working

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1725957-November-2012-Poor-sleep-deprived-mummies-and-daddy

I want to go to a tots disco too!! :)

Not sure I want to go to a tos disco though Sophia

A tos disco sounds like something you might find in the back streets of Amsterdam with lots of mistacheoed men wearing tight vests. I quite fancy it.

Parents are visiting today. The house is a disgrace. P is asleep. I should be tidying. I am sitting under the cat watching Saturday kitchen. Ah well.

Oh! And P did a night with an arm out of her swaddle. I actually think she slept better than she has done swaddled. No requests for a dummy at all. I trapped naughty arm and let good arm go free with the scratch mit pulled over. I did move her from lying horizontal at the bottom of the cot a few times. Don't know if I need to move her but I do. We will do another few nights of this before moving to both arms.

Weird getting her dressed though - she had one lovely toasty arm and one chilly one!

pass I did the whole 'mmm yummy' thing with a big false grin. I feel really bad for giving him something that tastes so yuck but that is not the issue is it? If it stops the problems then it is worth it. Today I am having a wobble thinking that it is reflux not CMPI. But I am following advice from the dietician, so I need to trust her. He has only had one bottle so far anyway. Need to give it time.

pass is also right luis you are a real asset to the quiche x

And well done P on sleeping with one arm free! Clear progress!

vq my understanding is that one can cause the other in either order. The nutramigen is very easy to digest so is less likely to cause the stomach acid to bubble up. I have various wobbles including that there is nothing wrong with p and it was all just me over reacting. Why do we do that to ourselves? It's really weird.

You have the carobel which will hold the milk in his stomach and easy digest milk. Hopefully the combination should be good whatever the problem is.

I can hear p shuffling around in her cot upstairs. How come she is so happy to lie there alone after a snooze but not before?

Oh VQ I was delighted! I swear she slept better. I think she is outgrowing the want to be swaddled and was maybe waking herself up wriggling to get free.

That is really helpful, thank you pass

Also, I would not worry about moving her around in the cot as you need your rest more. Is the cot still tilted? If so could she now tolerate it flat? That would help with the moving. J cannot yet roll but can turn himself around on the floor and pushes himself up with his feet. He can cover some distance!

Thank you too lovely pass

Goodness, so much to catch up on! Havent attempted to read the end of the last Fred yet, but a few things to say while I remember.

VQ you are the mama bear of the quiche and your kindness and compassion oozes out of your posts. Your children are so very lucky to have you as their mummy. Please do keep an eye on your own MH though.

Clarella yes to morning poos! He is very uncomfortable until he has been.

Luis what pass so eloquently said. You are a wonderful asset to the quiche and I really admire how you cope on so little sleep. Ditto kirrin and MM

Thanks kyz he has been feeding better this morning so am not too worried.

He didn't have a bad night considering. Bed at 7:30, woke at 11:30 but went back to sleep while he was being cuddled during the feed warming up and went back down until 1:40. Had a feed then woke again at 6:15, into bed and up at 7. So only one night feed. Good boy.

vq I've heard that with the stinky formula that a drop or two ov vanilla essence can make it taste more like regular formula and help babies drink it more.

Thank you.

Well, I gave the formula and she immediately brought most of it back up? Reaction? Or just too used to snacking? Anyway, she's in her swing, I'm staying out of sight and she's grizzling. A few full on tears which make me want to go in but then she goes quiet for a bit. I hate this, and I really don't think it's going to work :( But if she can see me she wants me to hold her - it was much worse trying to get her to self settle with me in the room. Should I just give up for now?

chasing thank you

izzy I have heard that too, also nesquick and crusha milkshake stuff, but that sounds very bad for teeth and waistline. He seems to be taking it ok. Apparently taste buds change at 7 months, so after that babies refuse more often. He took 5oz on waking and 6oz just now. Better than yesterday on the LF stuff, and he seems very happy. Calm and settled, able to lie down. And has done two small poos too!

kirrin she is probably just not used to having milk come so easily - a bit of a shock to the tummy. Maybe next time stop her every couple of ounces for a rest and a burp. Do not give up after one try, unless you want to. Do not let anyone pressure you into giving formula, or indeed not. Does she normally sleep in the swing? Is she still hungry as she lost most of the feed?

With mine they cannot settle if I am in the room. Holding their hand or patting etc would lead to hysteria. The only time it works is if they are very unwell and need the reassurance.

J has gone down for his first nap of the day. Poo kept him awake I think. He swore at me when I put him in the cot, but I just kissed him, tucked him in, and left. He cried for about a minute max. He has been awake since 7.30.

pass I laughed at the good arm/naughty arm

VQ That is what happened when i first tried settling her with me in the room - hysteria. She is calmer without me there but after 20 minutes she showed no signs of actually sleeping. She only cried on and off though, but it started to build towards hysteria so i went and got her. when you first started leaving the room for J to self settle, how long did you leave him crying for? Or did he not cry? I want her to self settle not cry herself to sleep, but if I go back in then I am basically resetting her back to zero and we start all over again.
I will try giving a smaller feed next time, with lots of breaks. Thanks.

Hmm... Apparently pear is the least acidic fruit. I reckon it was the baby rice I used to thicken it. It is dairy free, but can aggravate reflux apparently. See, there is the reason why it is good to introduce one for at a time (facepalm)

kirrin it depends on the cry. There is the 'I need something and I am just gonna keep screaming until I get it' cry, and the 'I am tired and pissed off' cry. The first gets louder and louder with no breaks, the second has pauses. J has at times needed to be left for a while because I am having to deal with one of his sisters, like when they were both ill. Several times he settled himself before I got to him. It takes time to learn to self settle, but if he is not asleep within 20 mins I get him up again. It is possible to miss the window of sleep, like he did this morning. Of course they are all different. Just give it time for you both to learn what works for you x

I go in every 5 mins or so to check there is no wind, pick up, wind and reassure, put down again. I am trying to resist offering boob due to the milk/reflux issues.

J hasn't fed for 6hrs45mins!! Why can't he do that at night?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I'm away for a nap. Have night out tonight, 3 New dress and I can't bloody decide on what to wear!!!

Kirrin Kellymom has good advice on bottle feeding a breastfed baby.

Thanks for the link stunt - some good tips there.

And thanks VQ - I guess I'll just have to keep trying. This parenting lark is a mine field of guilt!

Sophia I bought the Raising Girls book but not read it yet. Is the boys one any good?i know the author got a bit of a flaming when he did a webchat on here a few months ago...