November 2012 - Guess what we were doing this time last year

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It would be a man saying something like that eh detective??! How stupid. How does he think our bodies will have the energy to make milk if we don't eat?

No worries tiger, will send soon as I can get to post office

Not a bad night here really, LO did 12 til 6 then back to sleep til 8.45 but she was awake most of the evening and crying for a lot of it

Going for Sunday lunch out with a couple of my school friends today, can't wait to catch up

That was me with the video vq - you're very welcome :)

tiger you mention Gaviscon. Is that to try or does your LO have it anyway? Is the reflux playing up? We have had nights like that recently and we are in 4month hell. I am thinking with J it is his cold, or wind or reflux, but tbh it is nothing new, just a variation on a theme.

He slept a further three hours. Very pleased as DH got the girls up. Eventually. They kept coming into the bedroom with varying reports and requests, he would say he was getting up and go back to sleep, then when DD1 said DD2 had made a puddle on the floor he still stayed there. I almost got up at that point, but thought better. It will wash out when I find it . If he were feeding DS he would have slept through weeks ago as he would have known nobody would answer his cries.

No church here either as the car is awaiting fixing.

My sympathies daisy

The granules are Cole...something. Will look it up later. For colic so might help the wind. You put the granules on your finger and baby sucks them off. Easier than gripe water that DS refused to have, and the dentinox was vile, even I would not take it.

Thank you caped

Good morning from the passthehankies household

Despite sneezing out green snot P seems a bit better last couple of days - ate almost twice as much yesterday.

I am sorry to hear about awful nights. I am not sure about h sleep regression tiger. The screaming sounds horrid and I suppose could be teething. Any other symptoms?

How was Horrible Histories sophia? My 66 year old dad was telling me recently that it was his favourite programme. He even sets the Sky+ box to record it.

Hi-5 to valium prince on 5 1/2 hours. Hi-10 on its way if you go two nights in a row.

I work in Kirkcaldy YW. Lots of beautiful houses around my school.

daisy horrible histories great fun. My DDs are 8and 6, I took them for dinner at Zizzis first then theatre, was a lovely night out.

carnate I have my dc's Thanksgived! I feel they should understand what being Christiansen/baptised means before they make the decision. (I am strange I know) so I bring them up as a Christian and give them all the tools they need to make up their own mind

HELP ME!!!

Has everyones monthly cycles returned to normal??

After I had Zara on 18th Nov, I bled for 6 weeks - til NYE. I then had a normal period on 11th Jan, so was due on LAST friday - now 9 days late.

Have done Pregnancy test which says negative, know im not pregnant but as I havent come on im driving myself mad

Charlee when I finally got my period after DD it took 3 cycles for me to get pregnant back to normal. My period was all over the place though for those 3 months.

Glad you had a lovely evening sophia !

More hi-5s for valiumprince !!

Pass Kdy must be one hell of a commute for you? says I who did Edinburgh to Aberdeen every day for 6 months

I addressed dp on his twuntish behaviour last night. I have had enough of him coming home from work in a shitty mood and taking it out on me. I have told him to either get it sorted or move into work accomodation while he is on his rotation as he would be doing if we didnt live locally. I think he has taken the hint...

Lovely day here. Going to go for a walk around the coast. QQ, who all is still using a carrycot? M screams blue murder when I put her in hers. When she is awake she hates lying down and likes to see everything that is going on. Do you think it's worth putting the travel system into pushchair mode, facing me, so she can see everything that's going on but I can still chat to her and lay her flat when (haha...) she goes to sleep? She's only 11 weeks.

MM I still use my carrycot part, but i put a pillow under Zaras head so she's elevated at the top and kinda sittin a bit. I only did that because it seemed her head was lower than her legs. Doesnt really matter how I do it cause she falls asleep as soon as she goes into carrycot or car seat!

Comrade Thanks for the reassurance. I went back to normal with my other 2 but only bled for 2 weeks, so maybe the longer your first bleed the more your cycle goes on a mission???

Gah typed an epic post and lost it, damn you Mn app

We have had a lovely weekend so far, it was my Great Aunts 80th Birthday yesterday. We took her out for dinner yesterday, Murray was delightful the whole time, and we were able to eat our meal while he slept. I made her a carrot cake, it is epic triple layer cake but I ate so much yesterday that I haven't been to eat any yet.

Detective what an stupid thing to say. He obviously has no idea that in the early days of breastfeeding, when you have a baby constantly latched on, it's the only way to eat and drink.

Vq my sil uses homeopathic granules. I will ask her about them when I next see her. Have you tried infacol? We use it for Murray, it has worked wonders.

MM your hair looks gorgeous. Is anyone else's hair growing really quickly? I had mine cut and coloured 5 weeks ago, it needs cut again. Thankfully my cousin is a hairdresser and has agreed to start doing it for me at home, at a fraction of the price of the hairdresser I usually go to

We have been up since 6am. Murray was still fast asleep. I expressed, made a huge pot of potato and leek soup, caught up with the ironing, showered and dressed all before 8am. Now we are at Braehead as ikea for some retail therapy

I haven't managed to finish catching up but I wanted to mention a few things about FF in relation to a few of you mentioning giving formula and feeling a bit down about it.

I was adamant to BF the twins. I bought not one bottle, steriliser, nothing for bottle feeding. The girls took well to BF in the SCBU. Georgie in particular had a great latch and Megan would suckle for a good while. Being premature made it hard, especially feeding two premature babies. They kept falling asleep on the breast and weren't getting enough. I was under a lot of pressure from the pediatricians and neo natal nurses with regards to them not getting enough milk. They didn't really care about us establishing BF, they were concerned about filling in their 3 hourly charts on how much milk the babies had had. Because of this I pumped ALL the time so the girls could have my breast milk and no formula. I guess this made me feel less guilty because I couldn't breast feed them well enough. I would set my alarm twice for between 11pm & 6am as well as trying to encourage two babies to BF and cup feeding them while still in a pain from the c section. The nurses were very quick to force milk down their feeding tubes rather than wait for the girls to take to BF in their own time. Now that I have gained confidence in being a mother, I should never had allowed that to happen. I found it virtually impossible to estabish BF on a chair behind a screen on a SCBU ward with nurses, doctors and other parents around. In the end, after 14 days of trying, I had to give formula in order to get the hell out the hospital. They wouldn't discharge us until the girls were talking all their feeds from the breast. Out of desperation, I gave in to formula. I asked to see the BF councillor on three separate occasions. She eventually came to see us on day 12 after they were born, far too late.

When I gave them the first bottle at 2am in the hospital, I cried. I felt so guilty and felt like a shit mother. Now, 17 weeks later, I feel completely different about formula. I am not remotely bothered that they are formula fed. They are healthy, happy and growing really well. They are also fantastic sleepers, I don't think they would be such good sleepers if I had BF them. When I have another baby, I wont beat myself up about BF. If it is a struggle, I will FF straight away.

I have written this very badly while trying to entertain both babies. I haven't shared this with anyone but it was something that really bothered me in the first few weeks of their lives.

Now, I don't give a damn.

I too just lost a massive post due to a friend popping round mid post. I will summarise....

tiger I have some spare gaviscon if you need more. Not much but what I have is yours if you need it.

VQ I was going to mention Ashton and parsons granules but think they are for teething rather than colic.

DH is now away for work all week. It's half term too so I've packed lots in to keep us busy otherwise I'll go insane!

Starting with a trip to the drs tomorrow am with DD1 as she has woken up with an outbreak of impetigo. I got a letter through the post for an appointment for E at the hospital tomorrow pm. I was initially annoyed as it was the hospital I didn't want at a time I didn't want but I suppose beggars can't be choosers and at least I have an appointment rather than having to wait for ages....although I bet I still have to do that. They've cancelled my march one though which has pissed me off so ill still keep the drs appt I have made for Thursday to see if they will refer her privately.

It's lovely and sunny here so will take the DD's to the park.

Cross post garden what a lovely post. Hats off to you.

Glad you got sleep VQ!

Det that is insane, I eat most dinners one-handed while bf.

Well we had a crap night. V unusual for L he just wouldn't settle.

9-11pm feeding with a side order of grumbling until finally dozing off
12.30am wakes but settles with dummy/Ewan
2.30-3.30 we play dummy tennis as I try to persuade him it's too early for a feed (this usually works)
3.30-5am feeding/wrestling match with running commentary from L: "oo-ee-ii-oh-oo-ee" literally in a continual stream for 1.5 hrs
5am starts proper grumpy wails. Quite relieved as this usually heralds sleep.
5.15am start to worry I'm going to fall asleep before he does and crush him and how I'm going to explain it to all of you.
5.17am L falls asleep
5.30am successful transfer complete
5.40am L starts to wave arms in air and chatter. Hold arms down and go ssshhhhhhhhhh until one of us falls asleep
7am L wakes up.

Thankfully DH then took him for a couple of hours but am a bit done in.

Gorgeous morning though, hope it is in all your parts of the world too.

Sophia that's not strange at all sounds good. my dd is being christened but I will also give her options felt one of the things that led to me loosing my faith dramatically was finding out other religions exist (and loosing my nan at 10 - a strong Christian).
When I started going out with dh he was v Christian I would have said I was agnostic...he wouldn't discuss his belief over the years we have sort of met in the middle).
but dh mum is a priest and so I think getting dd christened is the right thing for her - she hasn't and wouldn't force me but I really think that it will give her so much joy will be a wonderful day for all and I will help dd make up her own mind (like I did). my sister is a witch my mum still believes in God but in the zodiac too ... so I really think I am the odd one.
having said that when I had given birth I asked about getting confirmed as felt I was odd one out at midnight mass blessing etc and mil said that there was ceremony coming up ...was all the oxytocin I think but I said yes!!!
Have been given a book to read and hoping I can find Devine inspiration ...
I really overthink things is it possible to believe in God and nature (in its cruelest forms) ...
to believe in God do you have to believe everything happens for a reason?
sorry these big questions may have to remain rhetoric on this post.

Blonde that sounds like a bad night, hopefully he'll make up for it tonight and you can both get some decent sleep.

Just wondering if any of you have recommendations for a good cot mobile? Babylaughalot will be too big for the Moses basket soon and we don't yet have one. Reading the reviews on Amazon it seems so many of them have a noisy motor or don't work properly so just looking for personal experience if anyone can share!

dh been fab this weekend limping round doing housework with bad foot aw bless we had agreed to get dh up early for the day as she seems to be going backwards and now doesn't go down until 12 instead of 11 solo she is just waking up now after 8am feed wish she would go down at 9 ... anybody here altered a reverse cycling baby. cacazz - yes my hair seems to be growing quickly too and u need another cut! had it cut shortest ever last time ... v short at the sides (hairdresser talked me down from shaving it).
charlee I think you may have been lucky with your period other times ... I'm thinking mine is almost like they first started at 13.

sorry updating on mobile and can't rember what I was going to post oh and garden was a lovely post re bf ff hope someone else who is in the same situation reads your post. think the governments campaigns and all the breast if best stuff is aimed at people who would probably never try in the first place... unfortunately think it hits others hard leading to lots of guilt.

mobiles for cots ... I also want to know! think one with detachable parts would be good and possibly with owls ... birds and owls in particular is the.theme in the nursery!

Due to my rubbish memory (I'd blame baby brain but I've always been this way!) I can't remember who was talking about the "French Children Don't Throw Food" book - horsey was it you? Anyway, thank-you :) I was reading it over night, and it's really interesting. And well written. It manages to give advice rather than preach - which is what has stopped me reading most parenting books. I put The Pause into practice during the early hours of this morning and it worked! I don't usually pick her up as soon as she starts grizzling, but I do as soon as she cries idiot Anyway, I let her semi-cry and she was back to sleep in less than a minute! Normally I would have had her up and feeding once the tears came. And this is my second baby - you'd think I would have learnt some stuff by now

Colocynth granules. HV has recommended them. I do not want to use infacol as I do not believe it is colic, and do not want to have to give him drugs before every feed. The granules are given when needed and easier to administer. And homeopathic. Perhaps I am being stupidly stubborn about this. Not really sure why.

About the bath seats - the ring type things are only suitable from 6 months of age.

garden thank you for sharing

I think dh has had a revelation today...
Let me set the scene. I got up at 7 with LO and let him lie in until 9.30. Breakfast was a joint affair, I then asked if he could have LO whilst I made some soup for lunch. "Not a problem", says he, "but could you just feed her first so she goes to sleep?"
"Ummm" I say back, "I can, but I've a funny feeling she won't sleep, because she doesn't in the day anymore".
Still, I feed her, she looks a bit sleepy, and dh takes her and sits on the sofa and puts transformers on. Five minutes pass, and he wanders out into the kitchen. LO is wide awake. "Why won't she sleep, love?" he asks.
"Like I said, she doesn't anymore in the day".
"Oh"
Proceeds to rock her a bit. I continue to make soup. Cue lots of sighs.
"My arms aching"
"Right. Well, I'm making soup. She's happy, so....keep entertaining her please"

This continues for perhaps 30 minutes. LO is in & out of the bumbo, on & off the playmat, cuddled, rocked. Soup done, I take her back.

Dh skulks off to clean the car. When he comes back in, he asks whether she's always like that?If by that he means awake, then, yes, yes she is.

"Sorry for being selfish" he says. "I didn't realise it's quite hard work"

If you listen hard, you might hear the sound of a very large penny finally dropping. Bless him.

BPLP think I heard a faint from here...

garden thanks for sharing that. Shame the medical staff weren't able to support you to achieve your goal.

VQ think infacol is more for relieving trapped wind than colic. DD never had colic, was never screaming etc like that, but she did get really uncomfortable & cry with wind. We uses infacol & it seemed to help. She still needed vigorous winding otherwise she could be very sick, but generally it worked well. However, I think she was younger than J when we did that. DS seems to find it easier than DD to get wind up & does some tremendous belches :)

I had a little sob reading your post garden. Your outlook is incredible, thank you for sharing

I've had a cracking morning. Brunch in the local cafe using dp's credit card because he didnt buy bread. his fault then a wee stomp round the village to work off the 2 slices of cake I didnt have . M and I sat on the slipway watching some tv advert being filmed under the bridge with a dragon yacht and a horse on the beach and then dp took the boat down the river and showed off for us. Now sitting out in the garden reading my book (mnetting) and having a cuppa while the wee dote snoozes in her buggy. Life is good today

Thanks everyone :)

The point I wanted to get across was don't beat yourself up about giving formula. I wish I had known then what I know now.