November 2012 - Guess what we were doing this time last year

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kirrin you say you haven't done well by them. Give yourself a break. For whatever reason, and not deliberately, they've been a PITA today. Don't blame yourself, and don't ferl you've handled anything wrong. Tomorrow's another day.

Can you tell I've had a bad week? Am no longer going to blame myself for things which are out of my control. Kids get ill, or have a bad day, and it's a PITA for me and them but you know what? I didn't inject DD1 with the flu virus. And there have been times when kisses and cuddles and endless songs haven't been enough. And that's fine. When I had flu Nothing could stop me feeling sorry for myself either. We can't always work out their needs or make them feel better about things. So we get through the day, and tomorrow's another day.

Rant over.

kirrin exactly what pr said. And the law of sod states that either both children will be angelic or both will be little shits sods. You're not the only one eating either - just demolished half a packet of biscuits nom nom

kirrin I could have written your post. DS has slept 45 minutes today. Unheard of for him. I have had two DDs pushing my buttons and each others. Surviving the day was my goal, and I have. Hard work indeed.

Gave J a bottle tonight and he laughed and laughed and kept nudging my boob as if to say 'you think I'm gonna drink that when I have you?' Which was nice. Rather that than tears. He took 20 mls. Will do that each night and he will get it I am sure. Will try avent bottle as I have one. He may do better with it. I can always try a syringe. DH looked really sad when I was doing it. He has an attack of the guilts. Bit fucking late for that.

I was concerned DD2 was going to be poorley earlier but figure falling asleep on the sofa in her waterproofs probably did not help. She was like a little boil in the bag chicken. I had left her and her sister in the lounge to try to settle boy.

I made a crumble. The girls did not like it. There is only a small portion left for DH. Talk about comfort eating.

bplp I'm so trying that next time, sounds lush!

pr so it's dinner at yours tomorrow then? :p

kirrin dont be hard on yourself, as others have said, sometimes there are some not so good days, and you've all survived today so see what happens tomorrow :) you're doing fab :) small people like to push buttons and be Velcro people, but you've got to the end of the day, and they might not do it tomorrow :) if they do, keep telling yourself that it'll soon be tomorrow hugs

vq maybe you'll be in for a good nights sleep then if he's been awake alot today? Hope so :) glad he took some bottle, was it formula? I'm sure he'll get there if you keep offering it to him, same time same place type thing

Does seem quiet on here today!

chunky sounds like you had a lovely time :)

Thanks guys :) VQ I think aiming to survive the day is an excellent tactic - I shall try that!
Glad J has done ok with the bottle, he'll be a pro in no time.

It was formula and I was not sad. I cannot recall who it was who put a video on FB of their LO with a bottle, but it really helped get over that hurdle. He had a few sucks but mostly it was just dripping in while he giggled. There was certainly no gagging or negativity at all. Just surprise. I think same time same place is a good idea. If I do that I can be in control. I would be waiting forever for DH.

I cannot recall who asked about fenugreek. Never tried it. Bit too woo for me and I have never really doubted my supply when looking at his lovely fatness. I am actually pretty confident my supply will be unaffected as I used to feed DD2 at evenings in the week but all day at weekends. It is a lovely way to get reaquainted after being at work. Or at least it was with them. I am sure it will be with him. It has just been soooo hard. I still do not quite understand why. Illness, tiredness and big fat boyness I am guessing. And twatty DHness for not giving a bottle of expressed each night like he did with the girls.

I cannot recall who it was, but someone on MN with several kids said that if they were all alive at the end of the day she considered it a good one.

I am not daring to think I will have a good night. I think we are in 4 month growth spurt land. Not noticed any sleep regression as he does not fucking sleep anyway!

He is in his cot the noo and he is quiet, so I will attempt some sleep myself. See you at midnight probably.

Fc for sleep VQ, glad you weren't sad about giving him formula, you've done so well :)

I cant imagine surviving a day with more than one dc, You're all wonderments, I'm forever saying to dp I don't know how you all do it!

Gonna dream feed ds now, night all x

Thank you x I did have a quivery bottom lip but thought that was hardly going to help DS take the bottle, and he made it such fun bless him. I have fed him for 16 hard weeks so do feel proud of the achievement. I plan to feed him as long as he wants it. I feel a bit of pressure is off now, and will reach for a bottle if I need to.

It is hard caring for more than one of the little darlings, but when that broodiness gets you, you don't care. You just need another baby. And then you cope as best as you can.

I can't wait to have a big brood - but I will be waiting for the next one! I have such a small family, we're very close, but I love the idea of having lots of children, and I love being a mummy.

However, this mummy is shattered, so am retreating to bed. Have stuffed LO as full as is humanly possible, so am hoping she might sleep for a few hours. G'night.

Those like Kirrin with toddlers and LOs, l take my hat off to you! There was 2.5 yrs between ds and dd and dd?s 1st year was amazingly rewarding but also the most exhausting time of my life. It gets soooo much easier when they get to nursery/school and you also start seeing the benefits of a smaller age gap ~ they entertain each other and enjoy the same sort of family activities. With ds2 this bit is easier as older 2 are at school, but l do worry about him not having a playmate when he?s older.

That?s good about the bottle vq. H has had formula once a day since about 8 weeks. l have the odd guilt trip, but when l think of the hours l have and still do spend bfing him (which l will do for at least a year) l just think its pretty insignificant in comparison. A drop in the ocean, so to speak. It gives me a little bit of rest and l just can?t fit in expressing and even if l can l hate it!

Rambling now, so may as well go to bed. Fx for a good night all round.

Well bloody done VQ

Very grateful for the jar of mixed nuts by my bed. Been there since I had LO. Nuts don't go off do they?

Thanks for advice re Avon so soft oil. Will put in an order ASAP.

Watching dexter. Series 2! The meds gp gave me seem to be working. Starting to feel a bit better. Well I'm awake and posting!

Hope u all have good nights x

gt glad your feeling better nuts do go off but as long as they taste ok you Will be fine.

I know I don't want another baby but I cried as I packed up some little clothes tonight.

Ta for the advice re monitors ladies. My temptation was to whack it....

Just in from babysitting my sisters two. DS seemed rather curious and initially shouty at cluster feeding for the night somewhere other than home but he's asleep and happy now and did t really notice the journey home (thank you star blanket) - right swaddle then bed.

Good news we might have found another house..... a gorgeous four bed Victorian in Kirkcaldy. Second viewing next week. Excited

Just over 5hrs for the first wake-up/feed. If he could see his way clear to do another 5hrs, I could live with that and the approx 6.5hrs total sleep for me. Fc.

I'm worried about O . He just doesn't seem himself. Can't put my finger on it.

You want to hear about my disastrous evening?! After Christmas day at my mums when he puked everywhere as I put him in the car seat, and we didn't have a spare coat or blanket or car seat I spent the whole day today getting ready and making sure we were fully prepared for the evening there. I literally did not stop all afternoon. We packed the car up, 3 changes for O, spare coat and blanket, 4 muslins, 2 bibs etc etc.

Well, for the first time since Christmas day, he once again projectile vomited an entire feed at my mums on her sofa and carpet. It was everywhere. But mostly, on me. So I took everything for O just in case. Didn't think about spare clothes for me. Nooooo. I ended up in my mums size 14s too fucking small and ignored my wet knickers.

I can't believe it. My mum must think I'm terrible, overfeeding him or not winding him properly or something. :(

I wonder what it is about my mums that makes him vomit that much? Maybe it is overstimulation? There are lots of adults and kids there.

I'm going to take him to the GP on Monday and discuss the vomiting. I don't think it's normal. It's not reflux because sitting him up makes it worse, and he isn't crying in pain at all.

He literally randomly vomits all the time no matter how long ago the feed was, it's about 1/2 an ounce each time. He has been doing it for over 2 weeks now. I would put it down to mucous but he did it a few days before he was ill.

I just want good advice as to what to try. I think he hasnt gained weight in 2 weeks either. I'm going to be paranoid mummy. :( I know it doesn't sound much but something isn't right with him, my mummy instincts are on red alert. I just don't know what it is though.

In other news, I might start an AIBU about this one, but I fail to see how anyone except my mums husband!! could think this was unreasonable. The talk this evening came round to breastfeeding and my mums husband declared that it was selfish to eat at the same time as breastfeeding your baby. He kept on and on about how your priority should be feeding your baby and not yourself. I pointed out that in order to feed the baby you had to eat and drink to be adequately nourished yourself. He still maintained it was selfish as you should see to the baby as your priority first. I told him the reality of having a new baby, clusterfeedibg etc etc. He just wouldn't have it. Turned in to a massive debate in the end as I wouldn't let it drop and neither would he. I like a good debate so I gave as good as I got. I'm sure you can imagine! He did end up apologising to me but he still refused to believe that he was being unreasonable in his opinion!! Arghhhhhh!!!

The conversation went that way because I was saying how it was harder to eat a meal as a family now I'm bottle-feeding because at least when he was breastfed I had a spare hand so could eat at the same time.

VQ :) you sound much happier. Im very glad of this!

YW can we have some house porn?! I love a good bit of house porn! Sounds lovely...!

Five hours and ten minutes sleep! (Faints). I am not giving 20mls of formula the credit for that though. He is much less snuffly and has been up most of the day. He is a tad peckish now.

detective you are not being a paranoid mum. You are wise to get it checked. I remember reading something about the sphincter thingy at the top of the stomach getting weaker as it gets stronger so I wonder if it is something like that. He is the right age for it. Add in a bit of a cold... It does sound a bit like overstimulation today. The girls used to vomit bucketloads at family gatherings. DS has yet to go to a big one.

Remember in himself he is fairly good, but best check as mummy radar is pretty good. Hope it is nothing x

Five hours and a fairly peaceful feed. Who are you, and what have you done with my baby? The proof will be in the putting down of the little changeling. So nice not seeing midnight, and that was with a 9.30 bed time. I know I know, one night does not a sleeping baby make.

When are the third set of jags? I do not recall having a letter yet.

And YANBU about eating while feeding. You do what you need to do as you spend most of your day breastfeeding so MN, TV, food, whatever. You obviously need to be aware of what is happening with baby, and some folk need to use both hands, but look at what cat can do whilst feeding two. We would go mad, and starve otherwise.

cat hope you are ok buddy as not heard from you today I think.

GT slightly amused by someone on anti-sickness meds watching Dexter.

30 mins to feed and settle. No screaming or vomiting and wind came fairly easy. This is too good to be true. I now cannot sleep. Please God let this be the start of sleep for him.

Det does this man actually have children? If so, is he the type to expect his dinner on the table when he gets in regardless? i wouldn't have eaten for 3 months if it wasn't for dp cutting up my food. I even ate Christmas dinner one handed, it was that or spend the whole time in my parents bedroom good way to get over feeding embarrassment fast

Yay VQ!!

I think H just slept for 4 hours. Longest ever!! Yay!! Still catching up. I'm on 14 Feb. We had a lovely valentines. Dh cooked a lovely meal. It was perfect. Hope all is well with everyone.