November 2012 - Guess what we were doing this time last year

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Hi tits I don't know the details of your situation but sounds tough. What services are involved already?? I think (but forgive me if I'm wrong) that your ds has sen? Are the school providing all the support you can access?? Even though its guys home life causing you this stress, etc school could help if they aren't already?

Sorry to hear about your morning tits. No advice but I hope he settles to it soon.

We pre-make bottles and store them in the back of the fridge. We have a bottle warmer which is marginally faster than boiling the kettle. When p was waking at night I would take her with me if she woke crying as the process would distract her a bit. We got to the stage though that I was waking before she was properly awake so I would dash down and sort the bottle before she full-on woke. DH used to get a bit frustrated at this as he was convinced she wouldn't have woken on a few occasions. Looking back I think he was right as she dropped both nights feeds very soon after.

You could measure powder into a container and have a flask in the bedroom. That way you can have a bottle mixed in seconds. However, hot enough to sterilise is too hot to drink so it would need to be cooled.

I'm lucky that the feeds in the middle of the night are very brief - think 30mins to wake up, feed, wind, settle, go to the loo and get back into bed. I try the dummy first but I end up awake anyway and if he keeps spitting it out, I end up awake for longer, so it isn't worth not feeding him if we both get more sleep iyswim.

Looks like we're going to see Die Hard DC are going to my parents for the afternoon so we're going to the cinema. Except there's nothing we particular want to see...

eliza typical!! Glad you're feeling more positive.

tits I put my dd in her own room so I didn't lose it with her. She wet my bed - through her nappy, not her fault, but didn't say anything. Sat in a wet puddle by my pillow for goodness knows how long!! This is hot on the heels of her knowing she's doing a poo but refusing to have her nappy changed or not telling me for ages, until its the worst possible time/she's getting sore. I'm trying not to make it a big issue but she's refusing to learn!!! It's so frustrating. I just put her in her room before I totally lost it and got on with stripping my bed. But I understand where you're coming from. It's so hard to be dispassionate and say/do the "right" thing.

Evil, I would say either vomit or ear wax or snot. If it is vomit, and it is bright yellow, it should be checked. Either way, ring your GP and perhaps ask what they think? How much was there? Did it smell?

DP can fuck the fuck off today. He is getting right on my bloody tits. I wish he would hurry the fuck up and fuck off to work. I've got to clean the fucking house after him.

Sorry for the excessive fucking. I am fucked off.

Tits Bloody kids, pushing all our buttons. Grrrrr. Sympathy from here.

Does anyone want me to link the bottlefeeding guidelines? We give these leaflets out from the DOH on discharge home. The single most important thing to remember with formula is when it is made up, it must be made with water that is above 70 degrees to kill any bacteria. This is where a lot of people go wrong IMO. If you do that and cool rapidly and store safely, then this is fine. Or feed to baby obviously.

Question. How do I suggest another mum would be better off making the bottles in advance than doing it the way she is? She's using boiled cooled water, bringing it up to drinking temp by adding boiled water and then adding the powder. I'm worried that's worse than making them in advance!! I've suggested the temp is needed to sterilise the powder etc but she knows this...

X-postdetective could you link pls??

DS has cystic fibrosis, apart from the medical team at the hospital and the community nurses we don't have any behavioural support I'm going to have to find out if there is any and quickly.

No baby sensory for us today.

Poor p is massively snotty which affected her sleep all night. I was in two minds about whether to take her when I realised that DH has taken the car keys for my car. My car is the one with the car seat base in it. You can use the seatbelts but I have never done it before.

It is a beautiful day so we could have walked but by the time I realised the car keys weren't here we had half an hour for a walk that would take around an hour.

I think it's for the best really - it's not fair on other babies having her snotting and sneezing.

So between DH's cold induced snoring and P's sorting and snuffling I had almost no sleep last night. It is hard not to get annoyed with DH - he shuffles right down the bed so his head is on the mattress rather than the pillows. He lies there with his mouth open snoring to the stars. I have to shake him and tell him to more up, use the pillows and turn on to his side. He always does as he is told then falls immediately asleep again. I, however, don't. He needs this instruction multiple times a night at the moment.

Colds and snot can piss off!

If you have said that already Chunky I'm not sure what else you can say. Other than saying about the risk of bacteria, and making baby ill etc.

Some people will always do it the way they want, and nothing you can say will make any difference.

Obviously I wouldn't want her little one to get ill, but if he or she did, the hospital staff would ask how she made the feeds and recommend the safest way to make them.

tits is there anyone you can call to help? I am quite concerned by your recent posts as you sound as if you have pretty much had enough.

J woke three times overnight and settled very quickly first two times. When he woke at 5 he just could not settle so brought him into bed at 6.

Those who mix feed, do you always get someone else to give the feed or do you? I am gonna introduce a sodding bottle as I am worn out. I will mix feed as long as I can and as long as he wants. My left boob gave up at 8 months last time and it is showing signs of giving up already. Or is that me?

Interesting to hear the tales of night feeds. I would make bottles in advance and heat in a jug. My girls slept through so early, so this is something I never even thought about. If he slept I would happily feed him until he is 3

Sorry to read you're having a difficult time tits don't know what to suggest. My brother (13) went through a phase of trying to avoid his medication, iirc he wasn't allowed his breakfast until he took the tablet. Sounds harsh but he'd only hold out fr about 15 minutes in protest and soon packed it in altogether.

vq with ds, I wake him at half ten ish with a nappy change. I say wake him, he doesn't open his eyes even. Bottles are in the fridge and go in the microwave, takes 1:20 now he's on 9oz, and I've a bottle warmer I plug in as I leave, that keeps the bottle warm if he stops partway through. He usually does at the 7:30 bottle in the morning because he has a poonami then. When smaller he did used to wake and cry, and as I have stayed in the lounge with him, he doesn't wake anyone but if really yelling I took him with me. It helped that in the early weeks dp wasn't at work, he works night's, so I could plonk him with him. If he cried now, I'd give him his dummy, it really doesn't take long to sort his bottle so he'd hopefully not get too loud if he did start. I used to warm it via a jug of water or the bottle warmer but both took silly long and he went from 0 to starving when smaller so I started microwaving it. It'd always been fine, always gets given a good shake and is never very hot, just takes the chill off from the fridge.

Can't remember what else I meant to say...

Oh, glad your cat is ok pr

Ds still asleep. He had his bottle at 7:40 and was asleep by 8:20. Here's hoping today is better than yesterday then :)

Same here pass. No baby groups for us as I don't want to pass on O's snot bugs to any poor unsuspecting baby!

Once DP has fucked off, I'm going to spend 45 minutes hoovering downstairs, washing the dishes and cleaning the kitchen. Then I'm going to get showered and take O to town, as even though swimming is cancelled, I still want to do our usual routine. Will go and get a hot chocolate and have a nosy around the shops chatting to him all the way :)

There definitely should be tits. Contact your school, explain your situation, and don't be afraid of saying that you really need help because you're at the end of your tether. They can link you in with behaviour support and family/parent support. Well they should do anyway, that's what I would offer.

tits your community nurse should be able to either liaise with the school or refer directly to some behavioural support work. As a pastoral care specialist teacher I have experience of CF with a secondary school pupil and the CF nurses were superb. Hugely interested in the whole child and involved in the whole process. Within the Scottish system you could ask for a Coordinated Support Plan which would require all agencies to come together to ensure all aspects of care are met. Most schools would be happy to manage this even if the impacts are not yet being felt in school.

Bottlefeeding guidelines.

As far as I can see, that is the most recent edition.

DP is about to get the full force of my rage. He just came downstairs with the music off his mobile blaring out and dropped his steel toe capped boots from hand height on to the wooden floor. Then crashed in to the kitchen, bashed the ironing board open, and slammed the iron on it.

FFS. O is asleep, and funnily enough, I'd like him to stay that way.

Tosser.

Yes. He's gone. Time to clean up and be organised. So much easier when he is not here grrrrr!

See you later ladies!

:( No 3g til monday now, used all my allowance, so I can't even catch up while sitting with my hot chocolate in town! Don't chat too much!!

When p was in hospital the nurses made up her bottles with tiny bottles of sterilised water. I only realised this when DH offered to go and make one and use the boiling water heater tap thing and came back saying he would need to cool it. The nurse asked why it was so hot and explained that he should have used the sterilised water bottles and simply heated it to a nice temperature.

I was a bit and said "oh! I must have misunderstood the guidelines.The WHO guidelines say the water must be at least 70oC - maybe I misunderstood" In the end I had to explain that the reasons was to sterilise the powder as the nurse couldn't understand the problem. Se was absolutely lovely and was pretty shocked and a bit embarrassed as that is how they had been taught to make up formula.

My sister's HV taught her to boil the water, put in into the bottles and put in the fridge adding formula and powder when needed and heat. Again I had to explain about the need for sterilising the powder. I have left my sister to it as I don't think she will take my say so over her HV.

Our fridge is amazing and has a supercool function. I stick the bottles in at the back and turn on supercool for an hour. The bottles are properly cold within 20 minutes easily. Personally I think this is much safer that a) making up with cooled boiled water thus never sterilising the powder or b) making bottles in a rush with boiling water and risking scalds.

I'm far far too lazy to ff

LO very clingy today, whenever I put her down she does a really pitiful cry and the bottom lip starts to wobble. Thank god for scooby doo and tom & jerry (for dsd not me).

My parents friends daughter has just had a baby - 10lb 2oz . Ow.

Sorry I keep blethering on.

P has been asleep for 1hr and 20 minutes. This is unheard of. Not going out was definitely for te best. She is sleeping soundly which she was only managing for 20 minute bursts over night.

Cars! Bloody cars! Sitting minding my own business when I hear a car alarm. Now, DH's car does have a dicky alarm which means we have to lock it with the key rather than the central locking. So I just presume he forgot to do that. I go out and the car just keeps beeping despite me unlocking it. I put the key in the ignition and LOTS of lights come on. Concerningly they stay on when I take the key out the lock.

I would be embarassed to admit just how much money we have thrown at our bastarding cars. All I will admit is that a bill of less than £500 for a repair no longer shocks me and anything less than £250 I consider cheap.

We have no money. We are living on fresh air as it is. I so resent spending money on naffing cars

think we should have fuck off Friday

excuse the language seems wrong when its not sweary Wednesday ...lots of fuck off snot and duck off dh/dp already!
tits my heart goes out to you!

detective it worries me that the powder I use has to be put in hand hot water. I don't get how if the bacteria is such a risk, howcome it's ok for this powder and not others? When LO had normal milk I made it as it says with water over 70 but with this one, aptamil anti reflux, I have to leave it :/ It does worry me but its how it says to make it because it's a specialist milk. Not literally asking you btw, just confuzzled!

Eliza, glad she took the bottle, if only for a bit. I know what you mean about the constant tummy prodding and feeling like there must be more they can do. All the best x

Tits sorry to hear about your morning and the difficulties with your DS. Hope you are getting support for yourself as well as DS.

Apart from a brief wake-up which settled with a dummy and a Ewan cycle, L slept from 10 - 4.30! I think he is less mucousy although still had a screamathon this morning. Sounds stupid but I sometimes feel even tireder after a longer sleep - it's like my body is awake enough to realise how tired it is! Iyswim.

Thanks detective & indeed pass. As it happens, one of the other mums who bf was asking because she has to add a drop of formula to her ebm as she has too much lipase, so it tastes fishy if left. So I've emailed the guidance as a 'following our convo, found this, thought of you' type thing. I know its each mums choice how to do it, but I would rather they ff safely!! She's not a stupid woman either...