November 2012 - losing sleep and losing weight

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He's happy to come to the grad ceremony. Just not the ball. At £90 each plus a hotel overnight plus a tank of fuel to get up and down and dress and kilt hire it will be an expensive night, but I worked damn hard for 3 years to get here... M will be 7 months and my mum is desperate to have her overnight while we're away so childcare isnt an issue

Do you find it 1 handed horsey? I love it but need to develop the knack for it.

Went for a curry (shh - don't tell the diet thread). P was good as gold looking up at the lights and smiling at me while I ate naan.

YW I also wondered about evil's LO having late onset reflux. Could it be possible that a one off acid attack could spark a bit of a sleep aversion?

I meant to ask, does anyone else's LO get a bit grumpy being held? P gets grumpy in the evening and last night I needed to pop her in the car seat for a minute while she was upset - she calmed right down.

She started getting grumpy again this evening - what starts as sort of shouting can become complete screaming habdabs - so I suggested to DH the he pops her in her Moses basket. She immediately calmed right down again. She is in there just now still occassionally calling out but completely calm. She is propped up so can see us.

Anyone else's LO the same?

The only crying in our house that is inconsolable and which goes on for more than a moment or two is reflux pain which made me think it must be a pain cry... that and the fact that Evil feels at the end of our tether (which is us when not on meds). I'm sure I'm paranoid and seeing it everywhere but have a read of a book called Colic Solved - it's changed our life (sounds trite!) but true - we're now regularly getting sleep from 9/10pm til 6am and no tears at bedtime - and we have no routine to speak of (so don't feel that that is a magic remedy).

Reflux would also explain why your LO doesn't like the bath (if he's laid flattish) as he could be getting acid burns in his throat.

Last night was the first night in ages we've had a middle of the night feed and I blame that on us waking him up when we went to bed and I stupidly gave him a dream feed to help him go back to sleep - somehow that always seems to make him more hungry and wake a short time later. It was around midnight - maybes he's a gremlin! No more dream feeds!

Pass J has developed this in the past week too! - sometimes he seems 'touched out' and is much happier after 20 mins kicking around on his propped up mat. I guess if they are focussing on muscle tone development they can't do that so well in our arms? - I'm not complaining - its nice that he wants to be put down!!!!

That would make sense. She just gets crosser and crosser until she is really crying. Normally she likes contact like any other baby

Taking pram off two handed but yeah pretty much one handed. I don't use the car seat bit, he's mainly carried about in the sling tbh. But my backs been hurting this week so used the pram again!!

Not noticed him not liking being on people. He seems happiest on someone!!

Oscar likes variation - once he has fed, he doesn't usually fall straight asleep. He wants to play, and will get angry if you get the wrong thing! He has his vibrating chair, swinging chair, and 2 playmats. He knows which one he wants. I have to read his mind . Then he gets shouty when he wants picking up, and that is cuddle time, then sleep time! I think it is normal that they don't want holding all the time. He enjoys kicking his legs out now!

Shame the same can't be said for when he naps in the day - putting him down is pot luck to whether he will or won't be put down!

I do love swishing the vista about the place.

After 10 minutes in her basket p started getting cross again and wanted picked up. She is now snoozing while I watch the end of a homeland episode before bathtime. I think the 'touched out' theory might well be right. I also wondered if it might relate to the reflux - on her own she can get herself comfy in a way that suits her.

Yeah J is normally a velcro baby 23.5 hours a day if I let him but he has the odd evening he "vants to be alone" (a la Marlene Dietrich!) for 20 mins - he'll be smiling watching and listening but is enjoying kicking and trying to roll.

It could be reflux related - it only happens on an evening! I wonder!

Would like mil, adopted child, family friends of mil and 18mnth old to all go home now. Have had enough. Want my afternoon snoozes with LO back and some peace and time to chill and not have to entertain all the time. Am exhausted.

I wish my PnT was one handed fold. You nearly end up with one hand after folding it!

So how do you rate the chances of J taking a bottle of expressed milk tomorrow lunchtime? 10 weeks. First encounter with rubber. Part of me wants him to refuse it so I am 'stuck' bfing him. Most of me wants him to so I can have a bloody break. 2 hours sleep maximum stretch last night. What with his chest, his peeing-for-Scotland, and his wind.... Grr! Just as well he is cute.

I've only just caught up again, finding it hard to keep up!

I had a night out in Edinburgh last night, Boobs were solid when I got home but managed to express and then feed James ok.

He has fed loads today, think he is making up for me leaving him!

Back again ladies, he is tired. He wants to sleep. Then why does he cry so much? He even turned purple today.
He's still crying now. I'm wondering weather letting him cry it out, is my only option.

he's on me and calming down. I can't keep up with this, he's even starting like this during the day.

And he's down. Going for a well deserved cuppa.
Time to go to bed 2 hours and 15 mins with hysterical crying.

Evil

Evil - is he tired when going down? Is he going into a cold bed? How much sleep does he have in the day? He's only 12 weeks, it's quite little. Ds at 10 weeks goes into him pram at night but has his dummy and my hand on his chest/hugging him gently. He goes off like this.

Our bedtime routine doesn't start till 9.30pm as before this he's not ready. At some point it will need to come forward but I'm hoping it just happens.

Is it worth looking at a later bed time?

I personally think letting them cry it out in their bed means they associate it with that. A bit like our experience of breast feeding!!

He's crying again.

Horsey how is E? The Dr advised us to let LO sleep at an angle so her head is higher than her body. It's scary when they have a coughing fit. LO has them a lot at the moment due to bastard bronchiolitis, and it's worse just as she wakes up.

Shite day here. Everyone in a bad mood and either sulking or crying.

He is tired when I put him to bed. It could be the bed is cold. I'm exhausted, DP and I are snapping at each other. Baby asleep on me. Will post in the morning.
Evil

Evil if it's encroaching into the day it really sounds like it might be late onset reflux. In which case crying it out would do more harm than good (literally - it would cause more acid to come up).

Horsey J doesn't start nodding off for the night until half nine either. He sleeps well during hte night so it doesn't bother me at the mo.

evil yw and I must sound like broken records but I was thinking the same thing. P started reflux symptoms in the middle of the night then it became all day.

With P she would be fine then suddenly look shocked and her face would go scarlet before the screaming would start. It went on and on and in for hours - tortured screaming. She would wriggle and squirm while arching her back and going ram rod straight. The only time she could sleep was when cuddled into me having exhausted herself.

It felt like it started from nothing and suddenly we had this massive problem.

The symptoms can vary of course but what you are going through really does sound similar.

And VQ whatever happens with the bottle I hope it helps in some way.